14 years and counting...

PJ_Soul

To be fair, sometimes people have just said everything they have to say on a subject. I don't think of these threads as necessarily being a way for us to continually repeat how upset we are about something.

DPrival78

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

DPrival78

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

DPrival78

Holy multiple posts

mace1229

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

brianlux

mace1229 said:

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

" Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration"  This is true.

"he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some"  This I've never heard.

But would Cesar Chavez have supported Trump.  Would he have agreed with separating children from their parents? 

mace1229

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

" Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration"  This is true.

"he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some"  This I've never heard.

But would Cesar Chavez have supported Trump.  Would he have agreed with separating children from their parents? 

I said that middle part because I lived in LA and San Diego for most of my life. I saw many demonstrations and marches down the freeway, school-wide walkouts over immigration.
Almost all of them I would see people holding banners with his name or chanting “Chavez” as they marched down.
Maybe it wasn’t a national thing, but down in LA and San Diegothey definitely threw his name around all the time from what I saw and experienced.
I remember being in school myself and as a college student, observing high school classrooms at the time or a substitute teacher when these marches first became a thing, and word would spread that people are marching and students would just get up and run out of campus yelling “Caesar Chavez!!”
But to answer your wueatuon, I doubt he would support Trump in separating the children. Most republicans didn’t support that either.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

" Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration"  This is true.

"he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some"  This I've never heard.

But would Cesar Chavez have supported Trump.  Would he have agreed with separating children from their parents? 

I said that middle part because I lived in LA and San Diego for most of my life. I saw many demonstrations and marches down the freeway, school-wide walkouts over immigration.
Almost all of them I would see people holding banners with his name or chanting “Chavez” as they marched down.
Maybe it wasn’t a national thing, but down in LA and San Diegothey definitely threw his name around all the time from what I saw and experienced.
I remember being in school myself and as a college student, observing high school classrooms at the time or a substitute teacher when these marches first became a thing, and word would spread that people are marching and students would just get up and run out of campus yelling “Caesar Chavez!!”
But to answer your wueatuon, I doubt he would support Trump in separating the children. Most republicans didn’t support that either.

Sure took them a long time to voice their displeasure. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

" Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration"  This is true.

"he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some"  This I've never heard.

But would Cesar Chavez have supported Trump.  Would he have agreed with separating children from their parents? 

I said that middle part because I lived in LA and San Diego for most of my life. I saw many demonstrations and marches down the freeway, school-wide walkouts over immigration.
Almost all of them I would see people holding banners with his name or chanting “Chavez” as they marched down.
Maybe it wasn’t a national thing, but down in LA and San Diegothey definitely threw his name around all the time from what I saw and experienced.
I remember being in school myself and as a college student, observing high school classrooms at the time or a substitute teacher when these marches first became a thing, and word would spread that people are marching and students would just get up and run out of campus yelling “Caesar Chavez!!”
But to answer your wueatuon, I doubt he would support Trump in separating the children. Most republicans didn’t support that either.

Sure took them a long time to voice their displeasure. 

I remember many republican politicians voicing their dislike of the policy. Although I'm sure there were some, I can't think of anyone who said they liked what was going on.
Some news reports on Fox tried to downplay it, but most people don't count what they say anyway, so why start now?

mrussel1

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mrussel1

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

" Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration"  This is true.

"he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some"  This I've never heard.

But would Cesar Chavez have supported Trump.  Would he have agreed with separating children from their parents? 

I said that middle part because I lived in LA and San Diego for most of my life. I saw many demonstrations and marches down the freeway, school-wide walkouts over immigration.
Almost all of them I would see people holding banners with his name or chanting “Chavez” as they marched down.
Maybe it wasn’t a national thing, but down in LA and San Diegothey definitely threw his name around all the time from what I saw and experienced.
I remember being in school myself and as a college student, observing high school classrooms at the time or a substitute teacher when these marches first became a thing, and word would spread that people are marching and students would just get up and run out of campus yelling “Caesar Chavez!!”
But to answer your wueatuon, I doubt he would support Trump in separating the children. Most republicans didn’t support that either.

Sure took them a long time to voice their displeasure. 

I remember many republican politicians voicing their dislike of the policy. Although I'm sure there were some, I can't think of anyone who said they liked what was going on.
Some news reports on Fox tried to downplay it, but most people don't count what they say anyway, so why start now?

Polls taken before the EO showed that Republicans voters supported the policy by a clip of 58%, while overall it had a 2/3 negative rating.  

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/immigration-trump-approval/index.html

brianlux

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

" Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration"  This is true.

"he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some"  This I've never heard.

But would Cesar Chavez have supported Trump.  Would he have agreed with separating children from their parents? 

I said that middle part because I lived in LA and San Diego for most of my life. I saw many demonstrations and marches down the freeway, school-wide walkouts over immigration.
Almost all of them I would see people holding banners with his name or chanting “Chavez” as they marched down.
Maybe it wasn’t a national thing, but down in LA and San Diegothey definitely threw his name around all the time from what I saw and experienced.
I remember being in school myself and as a college student, observing high school classrooms at the time or a substitute teacher when these marches first became a thing, and word would spread that people are marching and students would just get up and run out of campus yelling “Caesar Chavez!!”
But to answer your wueatuon, I doubt he would support Trump in separating the children. Most republicans didn’t support that either.

Yeah, I doubt he would have either. 

I think part of the reason Chavez was against illegal entry of migrant workers was because they were brought in by big agribusiness as cheap labor.  Chavez protested the corporate agribusiness who brought these workers in.  Those were the real criminals, not the workers.

Here again is a point that continues to be overlooked:  A lot of these "illegals" are brought in as cheap labor.   And yet who do we villainize? The corporate farmers who bring them in, or the poor people from south of the border who are taking the opportunity to improve their lives?  This point get passed over again and again. 

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

" Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration"  This is true.

"he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some"  This I've never heard.

But would Cesar Chavez have supported Trump.  Would he have agreed with separating children from their parents? 

I said that middle part because I lived in LA and San Diego for most of my life. I saw many demonstrations and marches down the freeway, school-wide walkouts over immigration.
Almost all of them I would see people holding banners with his name or chanting “Chavez” as they marched down.
Maybe it wasn’t a national thing, but down in LA and San Diegothey definitely threw his name around all the time from what I saw and experienced.
I remember being in school myself and as a college student, observing high school classrooms at the time or a substitute teacher when these marches first became a thing, and word would spread that people are marching and students would just get up and run out of campus yelling “Caesar Chavez!!”
But to answer your wueatuon, I doubt he would support Trump in separating the children. Most republicans didn’t support that either.

Yeah, I doubt he would have either. 

I think part of the reason Chavez was against illegal entry of migrant workers was because they were brought in by big agribusiness as cheap labor.  Here again is a point that continues to be overlooked.  A lot of these "illegals" are brought in as cheap labor.   And yet who do we villainize? The corporate farmers who bring them in, or the poor people from south of the border who are taking the opportunity to improve their lives?  This point get passed over again and again. 

Yes it does. To the point where people even ignore that the POTUS used such labour himself with no qualms.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

DPrival78 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

that's really funny rush. i seem to remember in 2000 and 2004 the latino community was heavily in favor of bush...

Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I’m lazy..  There’s a new Harvard poll out saying Trump’s approval amongst Hispanics is up 10 points. 

Take that with a grain of salt, like any other poll, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that those who played by the rules may not be so thrilled with those who don’t. 

Completely. Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration, as they competed with legal workers and lowered their pay as a result. But he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some too.

" Caesar Chavez was actually against illegal immigration"  This is true.

"he’s somehow become the symbol for illegal immigration for some"  This I've never heard.

But would Cesar Chavez have supported Trump.  Would he have agreed with separating children from their parents? 

I said that middle part because I lived in LA and San Diego for most of my life. I saw many demonstrations and marches down the freeway, school-wide walkouts over immigration.
Almost all of them I would see people holding banners with his name or chanting “Chavez” as they marched down.
Maybe it wasn’t a national thing, but down in LA and San Diegothey definitely threw his name around all the time from what I saw and experienced.
I remember being in school myself and as a college student, observing high school classrooms at the time or a substitute teacher when these marches first became a thing, and word would spread that people are marching and students would just get up and run out of campus yelling “Caesar Chavez!!”
But to answer your wueatuon, I doubt he would support Trump in separating the children. Most republicans didn’t support that either.

Yeah, I doubt he would have either. 

I think part of the reason Chavez was against illegal entry of migrant workers was because they were brought in by big agribusiness as cheap labor.  Here again is a point that continues to be overlooked.  A lot of these "illegals" are brought in as cheap labor.   And yet who do we villainize? The corporate farmers who bring them in, or the poor people from south of the border who are taking the opportunity to improve their lives?  This point get passed over again and again. 

Yes it does. To the point where people even ignore that the POTUS used such labour himself with no qualms.

Yes, thank you! 

It is so frustrating that these points get ignored and instead the finger is pointed at the poor people trying to survive.  In my opinion, this is blatant racism. 

DPrival78

Republican politicians want the cheap labor. Democrat politicians want the votes.  Very few of these people have actual souls. 

LongestRoad

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

I mean because an illegal killed her.

"An illegal"

Illegal is not a fucking noun.  A human being cannot be "an illegal."  

Please tell me you're not defending a murderer.

HughFreakingDillon

LongestRoad said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

I mean because an illegal killed her.

"An illegal"

Illegal is not a fucking noun.  A human being cannot be "an illegal."  

Please tell me you're not defending a murderer.

he's attacking the term, not the person it refers to. come on. 

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

I mean because an illegal killed her.

"An illegal"

Illegal is not a fucking noun.  A human being cannot be "an illegal."  

Please tell me you're not defending a murderer.

he's attacking the term, not the person it refers to. come on. 

I don't know, he might be.  You know that Dyer- he's a me-e-e-e-an motherfucker!

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

LongestRoad said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

I mean because an illegal killed her.

"An illegal"

Illegal is not a fucking noun.  A human being cannot be "an illegal."  

Please tell me you're not defending a murderer.

he's attacking the term, not the person it refers to. come on. 

I don't know, he might be.  You know that Dyer- he's a me-e-e-e-an motherfucker!

DYER'S GETTIN' UPSET

LongestRoad

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

the response above is twisting my words

No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants. 

You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But  you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. lol

Why do you focus so much on the outliers?  You do know that every group has it's criminal element, right?  But, that really has little to do with the topic of immigration here anyway and yet you keep focusing on it.  Are your letting fear talk?  And your wording... "criminals from the south", "drug dealing rapist gang members", "scumbags".  You really set yourself up for coming across as having some serious prejudices.  You never talk about the vast majority of these people who are simply trying to flee from a terrible situation.  You express no empathy for the down-trodden.  You only talk about the outliers, those few nefarious souls (and yes there are some) but almost nothing about the vast many who are victims of injustice.  Your viewpoint is extremely narrow.  And I'm not going to claim that is because you are a "conservative" the way you categorize several of us as "liberals".  No, I suspect your viewpoint is narrow because you are fearful.  Good God, are these supposedly bad people beating down your door, raping your female family members, roaming your streets like packs of wolves and selling drugs behind your house?  Jeez, I hope not!

I've been defending immigrants. If you can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries, there is a real problem. They're not risking their lives and freedom for no reason other than to hang in America.  Don't brush the atrocities being commited down south and in our border towns under the carpet so we can have an open border. I'm sure the people fleeing those countries don't want that garbage following them here either. One of your posts talked about legalized drugs to combat the corruption, that would be the biggest mistake ever. Let's take a look at the "legalized" pain management clinics that popped up all over the country when Bush was in office. Now we have the mega pill popping epidemic. Let's stick to just legalizing marijuana, at least that's something that can help some people, you never hear of someone overdosing on weed and maybe if all the leaders of the world passed around the peace pipe before starting their talks more may be accomplished towards peace. lol. And no I don't smoke.