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The election is 29 months away... what's the rush? Why give them a target to demonize? The democratic nominee will be decided in the primariesHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm back and forth on this. I'm not sure if it's such a great strategy to have no obvious front runner to lead. on the other hand, it makes it harder for trump to attack when there's no one specific.my2hands said:
What's the rush? Why provide them/him with an enemy they can attack with propaganda and brainwash their voters....mcgruff10 said:
Correct. I've said it before, the democrats have to get their head out of their asses or else 2020 will be another Trump victory.HughFreakingDillon said:
ignoring them will allow them to grow.dignin said:Nobody should give a fuck about his base. Ignore them.
I'm completely fine with the Democrats strategy... let them own this pile of shit for a while... your strategy would be a politcal mistake... you see he tries to blame dems for his insane policies already.... let him own it and go down with the ship0 -
yeah, totally, that's why i go back and forth. I'm just wondering if maybe it will take that long to convince the public to get behind the next democratic leader. or to just fucking vote FFS.my2hands said:
The election is 29 months away... what's the rush? Why give them a target to demonize? The democratic nominee will be decided in the primariesHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm back and forth on this. I'm not sure if it's such a great strategy to have no obvious front runner to lead. on the other hand, it makes it harder for trump to attack when there's no one specific.my2hands said:
What's the rush? Why provide them/him with an enemy they can attack with propaganda and brainwash their voters....mcgruff10 said:
Correct. I've said it before, the democrats have to get their head out of their asses or else 2020 will be another Trump victory.HughFreakingDillon said:
ignoring them will allow them to grow.dignin said:Nobody should give a fuck about his base. Ignore them.
I'm completely fine with the Democrats strategy... let them own this pile of shit for a while... your strategy would be a politcal mistake... you see he tries to blame dems for his insane policies already.... let him own it and go down with the shipBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Do we have any frontrunners yet? People around here talk about Cory Booker (Senator NJ) making a run.my2hands said:
The election is 29 months away... what's the rush? Why give them a target to demonize? The democratic nominee will be decided in the primariesHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm back and forth on this. I'm not sure if it's such a great strategy to have no obvious front runner to lead. on the other hand, it makes it harder for trump to attack when there's no one specific.my2hands said:
What's the rush? Why provide them/him with an enemy they can attack with propaganda and brainwash their voters....mcgruff10 said:
Correct. I've said it before, the democrats have to get their head out of their asses or else 2020 will be another Trump victory.HughFreakingDillon said:
ignoring them will allow them to grow.dignin said:Nobody should give a fuck about his base. Ignore them.
I'm completely fine with the Democrats strategy... let them own this pile of shit for a while... your strategy would be a politcal mistake... you see he tries to blame dems for his insane policies already.... let him own it and go down with the shipI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Nah. Look at how many people voted for him and how many people didn't vote. It's not half the country. His numbers have been stable for awhile now, no surge in support. Ignore his deplorable base, they are a cult, they are beyond reach. If the democrats can identify their voters and get them out to vote they have enough support to throw Trump out of office.Ledbetterman10 said:
No. It's much smarter to try and decipher why half of the fucking country thinks and feels the way they do. Before it becomes more than half of the country. And then maybe 2/3 of the country. And then maybe 3/4 of the county. And before you know it, we're all living in an Orwell novel. Mind you, that's the worst possible scenario. But that could be the fate of people like yourself that just want to ignore things that, while they might upset or annoy you, are real and dangerous and should be treated as such. Not ignored.dignin said:Nobody should give a fuck about his base. Ignore them.
Forget about his base, they are way too far gone. It's a waste of time.0 -
dignin said:
Nah. Look at how many people voted for him and how many people didn't vote. It's not half the country. His numbers have been stable for awhile now, no surge in support. Ignore his deplorable base, they are a cult, they are beyond reach. If the democrats can identify their voters and get them out to vote they have enough support to throw Trump out of office.Ledbetterman10 said:
No. It's much smarter to try and decipher why half of the fucking country thinks and feels the way they do. Before it becomes more than half of the country. And then maybe 2/3 of the country. And then maybe 3/4 of the county. And before you know it, we're all living in an Orwell novel. Mind you, that's the worst possible scenario. But that could be the fate of people like yourself that just want to ignore things that, while they might upset or annoy you, are real and dangerous and should be treated as such. Not ignored.dignin said:Nobody should give a fuck about his base. Ignore them.
Forget about his base, they are way too far gone. It's a waste of time.
I disagree. Similar to how understanding the Confederacy is important to the overall understanding of America, so is the case with Trump fans.
And I have to ask, do you ever interact with Trump fans? You talk about them being "deplorable," "a cult," and "way too far gone" but that's a pretty general characterization for millions of people. Hell, in the office right next to mine is a girl who is completely normal, polite, good mother, etc, and she supports Trump. She isn't "way too far gone" where she can't someday see the light.
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Anyone who has worked on a campaign knows that if you knock on a door and the person answers and tells you they hate your candidate you say thanks and move on. You work to identify your voters and make sure they vote....you do not waste your time trying to convince the other side over to your side. How well does that work here in the AMT? Very few people change their mind.
If the democrats try and dissect and figure out what makes the Trump voter tick....they will be wasting their time and will lose the election.
Energy and resources are better spent on your voters.0 -
If she hasn't bailed on him yet she is all in, don't waste your time. Find the person or persons in your office who don't normally vote and don't agree with Trump and drag them out to vote. Time better spent.Ledbetterman10 said:dignin said:
Nah. Look at how many people voted for him and how many people didn't vote. It's not half the country. His numbers have been stable for awhile now, no surge in support. Ignore his deplorable base, they are a cult, they are beyond reach. If the democrats can identify their voters and get them out to vote they have enough support to throw Trump out of office.Ledbetterman10 said:
No. It's much smarter to try and decipher why half of the fucking country thinks and feels the way they do. Before it becomes more than half of the country. And then maybe 2/3 of the country. And then maybe 3/4 of the county. And before you know it, we're all living in an Orwell novel. Mind you, that's the worst possible scenario. But that could be the fate of people like yourself that just want to ignore things that, while they might upset or annoy you, are real and dangerous and should be treated as such. Not ignored.dignin said:Nobody should give a fuck about his base. Ignore them.
Forget about his base, they are way too far gone. It's a waste of time.
I disagree. Similar to how understanding the Confederacy is important to the overall understanding of America, so is the case with Trump fans.
And I have to ask, do you ever interact with Trump fans? You talk about them being "deplorable," "a cult," and "way too far gone" but that's a pretty general characterization for millions of people. Hell, in the office right next to mine is a girl who is completely normal, polite, good mother, etc, and she supports Trump. She isn't "way too far gone" where she can't someday see the light.0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
But it's not just a matter of getting votes or convincing people to vote your way. WHY are people (Trump fans) thinking the way they're thinking or feeling the way they're feeling? It has to be more than they're all simply "deplorable" or "racist" or whatever. Even if Trump loses in 2020, his fans will begin searching for the next Trump. The way politicians like Cruz or Rubio kept referencing Ronald Reagan in their campaigns, 30 years from now, politicians may be referencing Trump ("Just as the great President Trump used to say...."). So there's a lot of things in play and to simply ignore them is such a short-sighted thing to say that you sound like someone from Hillary's campaign team.dignin said:Anyone who has worked on a campaign knows that if you knock on a door and the person answers and tells you they hate your candidate you say thanks and move on. You work to identify your voters and make sure they vote....you do not waste your time trying to convince the other side over to your side. How well does that work here in the AMT? Very few people change their mind.
If the democrats try and dissect and figure out what makes the Trump voter tick....they will be wasting their time and will lose the election.
Energy and resources are better spent on your voters.
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I have interacted with plenty of Trump supporters because it's pretty much my whole extended family. They are much like the person you described, but if you ever break the surface level conversation, it's full on crazy. Is my family deplorable? No, they don't support the KKK or white supremacy, but they definitely use racial slurs and think less of other cultures. I can't stand it. Outside my family I don't know any Trump supporters on a personal level, so I can't speak to the prevalence of a similar mindset. Although, I see and hear enough talk from all my neighbors to know that at least the middle class Trump supporters all seem the same.Ledbetterman10 said:dignin said:
Nah. Look at how many people voted for him and how many people didn't vote. It's not half the country. His numbers have been stable for awhile now, no surge in support. Ignore his deplorable base, they are a cult, they are beyond reach. If the democrats can identify their voters and get them out to vote they have enough support to throw Trump out of office.Ledbetterman10 said:
No. It's much smarter to try and decipher why half of the fucking country thinks and feels the way they do. Before it becomes more than half of the country. And then maybe 2/3 of the country. And then maybe 3/4 of the county. And before you know it, we're all living in an Orwell novel. Mind you, that's the worst possible scenario. But that could be the fate of people like yourself that just want to ignore things that, while they might upset or annoy you, are real and dangerous and should be treated as such. Not ignored.dignin said:Nobody should give a fuck about his base. Ignore them.
Forget about his base, they are way too far gone. It's a waste of time.
I disagree. Similar to how understanding the Confederacy is important to the overall understanding of America, so is the case with Trump fans.
And I have to ask, do you ever interact with Trump fans? You talk about them being "deplorable," "a cult," and "way too far gone" but that's a pretty general characterization for millions of people. Hell, in the office right next to mine is a girl who is completely normal, polite, good mother, etc, and she supports Trump. She isn't "way too far gone" where she can't someday see the light.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
I saw a good interview on the news this morning of a crawfish fisherman down in LA. He voted for tRump due to all the promises tRump made. The bayou that he fishes has been greatly affected by pipelines that have been run through the area. Apparently tRump made some promises that he would help them keep the area flooded to increase the crawfish population.
That hasn't happened.
The interviewer asked "has tRump done anything to help your situation" and the guy replies "not yet" like he still expects it to happen.
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Isn't there a men's movement of "never been kissed" who they might find available? I recall there's a whole web-base of pissed off males because they can't get a date. Quick, make an app and get rich.Bentleyspop said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Sane people not wanting to date racist idiots. How weird.Bentleyspop said:"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Weird. And here I would have thought it was because people only have so many cousins.Bentleyspop said:
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Can someone agree with his fiscal policies and not be a racist or you are painting 61 million people as racist?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sane people not wanting to date racist idiots. How weird.Bentleyspop said:
Also do you even live here?0 -
Voting for him is supporting racism at least yes. And lack of morals, empathy and/or being dumb - as voting for him due to "fiscal policies" would demand.tempo_n_groove said:
Can someone agree with his fiscal policies and not be a racist or you are painting 61 million people as racist?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sane people not wanting to date racist idiots. How weird.Bentleyspop said:
Also do you even live here?
No, I do not. Why would that matter?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I was curious.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Voting for him is supporting racism at least yes. And lack of morals, empathy and/or being dumb - as voting for him due to "fiscal policies" would demand.tempo_n_groove said:
Can someone agree with his fiscal policies and not be a racist or you are painting 61 million people as racist?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sane people not wanting to date racist idiots. How weird.Bentleyspop said:
Also do you even live here?
No, I do not. Why would that matter?
So 61 million that voted for him are racist, got it.0 -
I think you are talking about "Incels" or something like that. They are "involuntary celibates", essentially a bunch of losers who lurk on certain boards and proclaim that women should be subservient to men, blah blah blah. The idiot who killed the people in Canada was an incel. They also tend to be Trump supporters, surprisingly enough.Halifax2TheMax said:
Isn't there a men's movement of "never been kissed" who they might find available? I recall there's a whole web-base of pissed off males because they can't get a date. Quick, make an app and get rich.Bentleyspop said:0 -
I wrote "supporting racism" cutiepie.tempo_n_groove said:
I was curious.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Voting for him is supporting racism at least yes. And lack of morals, empathy and/or being dumb - as voting for him due to "fiscal policies" would demand.tempo_n_groove said:
Can someone agree with his fiscal policies and not be a racist or you are painting 61 million people as racist?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sane people not wanting to date racist idiots. How weird.Bentleyspop said:
Also do you even live here?
No, I do not. Why would that matter?
So 61 million that voted for him are racist, got it."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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