Canadian Politics Redux
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If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
this is what I've always found funny about NDP politicians. "we're going to slash taxes and increase spending!". and people buy it hook line and sinker every time. until they destroy their province's financials and get booted out of office and everyone's left shrugging their shoulders "how did this happen?".PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.
By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
What do you mean? NDPers don't promise to slash taxes. Or at least they don't in BC. They are pretty socialist - the NDP tends to raise taxes so that they can support more social programs, not lower them. If anyone in that party does the opposite, like you're saying, then that's a pretty odd departure from their general platform, no? What you're saying is what Liberals do, not the NDP.HughFreakingDillon said:
this is what I've always found funny about NDP politicians. "we're going to slash taxes and increase spending!". and people buy it hook line and sinker every time. until they destroy their province's financials and get booted out of office and everyone's left shrugging their shoulders "how did this happen?".PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.
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I've corrected you on this before. You are perpetuating a myth.HughFreakingDillon said:
this is what I've always found funny about NDP politicians. "we're going to slash taxes and increase spending!". and people buy it hook line and sinker every time. until they destroy their province's financials and get booted out of office and everyone's left shrugging their shoulders "how did this happen?".PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.0 -
not in manitoba. Gary Doer. Greg Selinger. Both ran on promises to lower/maintain taxes and increase services/spending. Doer was way more successful than Selinger. Selinger was a disaster.PJ_Soul said:
What do you mean? NDPers don't promise to slash taxes. Or at least they don't in BC. They are pretty socialist - the NDP tends to raise taxes, not lower them. If anyone in that party does the opposite, then that's a pretty odd departure from their general policies, no?HughFreakingDillon said:
this is what I've always found funny about NDP politicians. "we're going to slash taxes and increase spending!". and people buy it hook line and sinker every time. until they destroy their province's financials and get booted out of office and everyone's left shrugging their shoulders "how did this happen?".PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Well, sounds like an anomaly. I hope you don't let that sour you against the NDP in general, if that's what's doing it. That isn't how the NDP" normally operates. Who in the hell would fall for that anyway?.... Oh yeah. Doug Ford supporters, apparently!HughFreakingDillon said:
not in manitoba. Gary Doer. Greg Selinger. Both ran on promises to lower/maintain taxes and increase services/spending. Doer was way more successful than Selinger. Selinger was a disaster.PJ_Soul said:
What do you mean? NDPers don't promise to slash taxes. Or at least they don't in BC. They are pretty socialist - the NDP tends to raise taxes, not lower them. If anyone in that party does the opposite, then that's a pretty odd departure from their general policies, no?HughFreakingDillon said:
this is what I've always found funny about NDP politicians. "we're going to slash taxes and increase spending!". and people buy it hook line and sinker every time. until they destroy their province's financials and get booted out of office and everyone's left shrugging their shoulders "how did this happen?".PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I don't generally sour on any given party. I sour on candidates/leaders. I soured on our provincial NDP because of Selinger. he's gone, so we'll see what Wab Kinew says he will do and what Pallister is doing.PJ_Soul said:
Well, sounds like an anomaly. I hope you don't let that sour you against the NDP in general, if that's what's doing it. That isn't how the NDP" normally operates. Who in the hell would fall for that anyway?.... Oh yeah. Doug Ford supporters, apparently!HughFreakingDillon said:
not in manitoba. Gary Doer. Greg Selinger. Both ran on promises to lower/maintain taxes and increase services/spending. Doer was way more successful than Selinger. Selinger was a disaster.PJ_Soul said:
What do you mean? NDPers don't promise to slash taxes. Or at least they don't in BC. They are pretty socialist - the NDP tends to raise taxes, not lower them. If anyone in that party does the opposite, then that's a pretty odd departure from their general policies, no?HughFreakingDillon said:
this is what I've always found funny about NDP politicians. "we're going to slash taxes and increase spending!". and people buy it hook line and sinker every time. until they destroy their province's financials and get booted out of office and everyone's left shrugging their shoulders "how did this happen?".PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.
when the fucker isn't in costa rica not answering his phone.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
People soured on the BC NDP back in the 90s because of a fast ferry boondoggle and a kickback scandal ... Took them 16 years of profound corruption and policies (or lack thereof) that lead to a disastrous and likely irreversible housing crisis for them to (barely) get over it.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't generally sour on any given party. I sour on candidates/leaders. I soured on our provincial NDP because of Selinger. he's gone, so we'll see what Wab Kinew says he will do and what Pallister is doing.PJ_Soul said:
Well, sounds like an anomaly. I hope you don't let that sour you against the NDP in general, if that's what's doing it. That isn't how the NDP" normally operates. Who in the hell would fall for that anyway?.... Oh yeah. Doug Ford supporters, apparently!HughFreakingDillon said:
not in manitoba. Gary Doer. Greg Selinger. Both ran on promises to lower/maintain taxes and increase services/spending. Doer was way more successful than Selinger. Selinger was a disaster.PJ_Soul said:
What do you mean? NDPers don't promise to slash taxes. Or at least they don't in BC. They are pretty socialist - the NDP tends to raise taxes, not lower them. If anyone in that party does the opposite, then that's a pretty odd departure from their general policies, no?HughFreakingDillon said:
this is what I've always found funny about NDP politicians. "we're going to slash taxes and increase spending!". and people buy it hook line and sinker every time. until they destroy their province's financials and get booted out of office and everyone's left shrugging their shoulders "how did this happen?".PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.
when the fucker isn't in costa rica not answering his phone.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
You are kidding right? We pay far to much tax in this country... and he can start by trimming the bloated public sector...PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I'm fine with how much I pay in taxes.Meltdown99 said:
You are kidding right? We pay far to much tax in this country... and he can start by trimming the bloated public sector...PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.
Also, I work in the public sector, lol. And no, it's not bloated IMO - I don't think the public sector can afford to lose any funding at all .... Of course there is always room for more efficiencies, public sector or any other sector, but that doesn't mean they need less money. They just need to redistribute it in certain areas. Sorry, I'm definitely not picking up what you're putting down there!
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Rob Ford’s widow sues Doug Ford, alleging he has deprived her and her children of millions
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/06/04/rob-fords-widow-sues-doug-ford-alleging-he-has-deprived-them-of-millions.html
Oh, really?? More drama and shadiness in the Ford family?! Who could have seen that coming???
Yeah, what a good choice for running Ontario! A guy who can't even honestly deal with his own family's money!
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I know you are fine paying the ridiculous taxes in the country ... Canadians pay nearly half their income to one tax or another and the liberal left like Trudeau can only tax a spend...PJ_Soul said:
I'm fine with how much I pay in taxes.Meltdown99 said:
You are kidding right? We pay far to much tax in this country... and he can start by trimming the bloated public sector...PJ_Soul said:
If he's cutting all the taxes so much, where is the money for more health care and mental health care going to come from?Meltdown99 said:
The NDP have their fare-share of controversial candidates as well...come to think of it all of the 3 major parties have candidates that are controversial. I don't fear a premier Ford. I fear 4 more years go NDP/LIberal policy of making Ontario less affordable, and lining the pockets of an already bloated public sector in Ontario. But in the end neither are great candidates and I am a Christine Elliot supporter and she should have been elected conservative leader...she would have been a good premier and if she was leading the conservative this election would even be close. It still may not be close. I often wonder if people are answering pollsters honestly ... I'm sure a lot of people will vote Ford but never admit it.PJ_Soul said:Well, Ontario will make a HUGE mistake if they elect Ford. I still can hardly believe that many people in ON will be that careless. I feel like they are grossly underestimating the importance and terrible potential of the negatives (which they tend to acknowledge). I really hate that populism has crept its way into Canadian politics at this level I would have thought Rob Ford would have served as a lasting lesson, but obviously too many people NEVER learn. And they keep getting reminded with all these little campaign scandals that keep cropping up with the Conservative candidates in various ridings, but nobody seems to care much, or are at least trying to blow it off and "well, it's not Doug Ford himself". Disturbing.
That said, I don't trust provincial election polls AT ALL. In BC they have only been wildly inaccurate for years - they have failed miserably at predicting who will win. I have learned to simply not listen to them at all - not even a little - and just wait until all the ballots have been counted.
Some things of Ford campaign promises I like
-lower gas tax .10
-eliminate income tax on people earning less than $30 000
-lower middle class income tax
-lowering the small business tax
-freezing minimum wage at $14/hour instead of going to $15/hour in January
-eliminate the carbon tax (fight Trudeau in court along side Alberta and Sask.
-more health care (everybody promises that)
-more cash for mental health
-probably the big 2 promises I like is allowing beer and wine in more stores
-allowing entrepreneurs to get Cannabis licence to operate their own retail stores.
God knows Ontario's plan for legalization is horrible though. To allow private business into the industry is a no-brainer; I can't even figure out wtf the ON Libs were thinking there. Morons.
Also, I work in the public sector, lol. And no, it's not bloated IMO - I don't think the public sector can afford to lose any funding at all .... Of course there is always room for more efficiencies, public sector or any other sector, but that doesn't mean they need less money. They just need to redistribute it in certain areas. Sorry, I'm definitely not picking up what you're putting down there!Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Proportional representation is only great for unelectable 'professors,' Jean Chretien says
http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/proportional-representation-is-great-for-unelectable-apparatchiks-jean-chretien-says
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Family estates often times en up in court ... and these are just allegations yet to be proven.PJ_Soul said:Rob Ford’s widow sues Doug Ford, alleging he has deprived her and her children of millions
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/06/04/rob-fords-widow-sues-doug-ford-alleging-he-has-deprived-them-of-millions.html
Oh, really?? More drama and shadiness in the Ford family?! Who could have seen that coming???
Yeah, what a good choice for running Ontario! A guy who can't even honestly deal with his own family's money!
Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Everyone knows Doug Fords not a great candidate ... the other 2 are far worse...Give Peas A Chance…0
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Where have we heard something like this before?Meltdown99 said:Everyone knows Doug Fords not a great candidate ... the other 2 are far worse..."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
LOL ... at least Doug Ford will be able to put together a competent cabinet ...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Where have we heard something like this before?Meltdown99 said:Everyone knows Doug Fords not a great candidate ... the other 2 are far worse...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Ontario teacher's licence suspended for two months after telling student to 'lick me where I fart'
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-teachers-licence-suspended-for-two-months-after-telling-student-to-lick-me-where-i-fart
LMFAO ... what a fucking joke. This woman should be fired and be banned from being around children...she'll likely be union president next year.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
suspended 3 times already, and they think 2 months is going to be enough of a deterrent? fuck this woman. she belongs in a dive bar, not as a teacher. fire her.Meltdown99 said:Ontario teacher's licence suspended for two months after telling student to 'lick me where I fart'
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-teachers-licence-suspended-for-two-months-after-telling-student-to-lick-me-where-i-fart
LMFAO ... what a fucking joke. This woman should be fired and be banned from being around children...she'll likely be union president next year.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Come on, you know Doug Ford is a creep from a family of creeps.Meltdown99 said:
Family estates often times en up in court ... and these are just allegations yet to be proven.PJ_Soul said:Rob Ford’s widow sues Doug Ford, alleging he has deprived her and her children of millions
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/06/04/rob-fords-widow-sues-doug-ford-alleging-he-has-deprived-them-of-millions.html
Oh, really?? More drama and shadiness in the Ford family?! Who could have seen that coming???
Yeah, what a good choice for running Ontario! A guy who can't even honestly deal with his own family's money!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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