The Concept of God

Thirty Bills Unpaid · May 2018

It's crazy what happens to the body at high altitudes. People don't last very long at those heights without supplementary oxygen. And the mind goes- many of the deaths on Everest its kin are related to poor decisions made while hypoxic.

josevolution · May 2018

I believe in just being a good human and I believe it stems from love true love I’ve been fortunate to really experience it both from my parents and from having a family of my own , we really don’t practice any religion at all my parents didn’t push any either I just feel like we are all part of nature , I just can’t believe that there is this supreme being at all ...

brianlux · May 2018

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

It's crazy what happens to the body at high altitudes. People don't last very long at those heights without supplementary oxygen. And the mind goes- many of the deaths on Everest its kin are related to poor decisions made while hypoxic.

Yeah, the body literally eats itself up at those altitudes.

josevolution said:

I believe in just being a good human and I believe it stems from love true love I’ve been fortunate to really experience it both from my parents and from having a family of my own , we really don’t practice any religion at all my parents didn’t push any either I just feel like we are all part of nature , I just can’t believe that there is this supreme being at all ...

Well said, Jose. Like the song says, "all you need is love".

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Degeneratefk said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

People are astonished I don't believe in something I have never seen and that no one has ever seen.
Who's the more foolish?

Neither can be called foolish, in my opinion, because no one knows for sure. the only people I consider fools, if anyone can or even should be called such, is someone who thinks they know the answer definitively.

I guess I'm a fool then! Oh well!

show me your mathematical equation disproving/proving the existence of god and then I'll eat my words.

your opinion does not equal fact.

Isn't the burden of proof on the ones that believe?

of course. but just because you can't prove it doesn't mean you know for a fact it doesn't exist. things exist without proof. my point is neither side can prove it one way or the other.

I just think it's a bit odd to insult people for their belief systems. when, for all anyone knows, they COULD actually be fucking right. (I don't think they are, but again, no one knows).

But you just insulted people for their belief system. You called them fools.

nope, read my original post again. "if anyone can or even should be called such". I was responding to Thoughts calling people foolish.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

People are astonished I don't believe in something I have never seen and that no one has ever seen.
Who's the more foolish?

Neither can be called foolish, in my opinion, because no one knows for sure. the only people I consider fools, if anyone can or even should be called such, is someone who thinks they know the answer definitively.

Which is, like, 90% of religious people.

I don't know about that. I just got back from a funeral where the priest was talking about "the mystery of faith".

but it's really here nor there for me. If someone believes, good for them. if they don't, good for them. if they don't know, good for them.

but mutherfucker I hate sitting/standing/sitting/standing/sitting/standing through catholic mass. it actually makes me angry.

It isn't so much the Simon Says Stand, Sit, Kneel that gets to me, it's the Priestly garb and his little Deacon servant and all they do.
You seriously can't turn the page for yourself? You need a servant to place into and remove the magic doodads from your hands? Can't just pick stuff up like a normal damn human?

In reality that should pale in comparison to the whole "The body of Christ literally reincarnates as a bowl of crackers and a chalice of wine and you consume him" thing, but it's the pomposity of the whole ritual that actually sticks in my craw.

yeah, I have to admit, exactly what you described that made me chuckle a bit at the funeral. it seems SO pompous, like he's one step above the rest of us and one step below god.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

People are astonished I don't believe in something I have never seen and that no one has ever seen.
Who's the more foolish?

Neither can be called foolish, in my opinion, because no one knows for sure. the only people I consider fools, if anyone can or even should be called such, is someone who thinks they know the answer definitively.

I guess I'm a fool then! Oh well!

show me your mathematical equation disproving/proving the existence of god and then I'll eat my words.

your opinion does not equal fact.

Show me a mathematical equation disproving/proving the existence of The Little Mermaid and then I'll eat MY words.
Or is it just your opinion that The Little Mermaid doesn't actually exist? That doesn't make it fact either I guess!

you're right. it doesn't. she and a talking jamaican crab could live under the fucking sea for all we know. Do I believe it does? no. I can be 99.99999999999% sure it doesn't exist, given what we currently know. however, we have only discovered what, 5% (max) of the ocean has been explored? and considering all of the species that have come and gone over millenia, there's no way to know for sure.

does that make my opinion fact? also no.

and that's just talking about things on earth. now consider something that is purported to have created the universe. for anyone to say they "know" it exists or not is preposterous.

Stephen Hawking's last work was that he thought it possible we are all living in a holographic simulation.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

People are astonished I don't believe in something I have never seen and that no one has ever seen.
Who's the more foolish?

Neither can be called foolish, in my opinion, because no one knows for sure. the only people I consider fools, if anyone can or even should be called such, is someone who thinks they know the answer definitively.

I guess I'm a fool then! Oh well!

show me your mathematical equation disproving/proving the existence of god and then I'll eat my words.

your opinion does not equal fact.

Show me a mathematical equation disproving/proving the existence of The Little Mermaid and then I'll eat MY words.
Or is it just your opinion that The Little Mermaid doesn't actually exist? That doesn't make it fact either I guess!

you're right. it doesn't. she and a talking jamaican crab could live under the fucking sea for all we know. Do I believe it does? no. I can be 99.99999999999% sure it doesn't exist, given what we currently know. however, we have only discovered what, 5% (max) of the ocean has been explored? and considering all of the species that have come and gone over millenia, there's no way to know for sure.

does that make my opinion fact? also no.

and that's just talking about things on earth. now consider something that is purported to have created the universe. for anyone to say they "know" it exists or not is preposterous.

Stephen Hawking's last work was that he thought it possible we are all living in a holographic simulation.

I think that is just a cop out. Saying that you're only 99.99999999999% sure that The Little Mermaid and her talking crab don't really exist is just disingenuous, as well as illogical and irrational. I don't think any of us should be expected to embrace irrationality and pretend it's open mindedness. And that is also true for God. God was made up out of thin air by people, and to then make the leap to "well, I'm going to insist that it might be true even though it isn't feasible or rational to do so" is just paying lip service to religion, just like saying "I'm going to insist that it might be true that The Little Mermaid might exist because nobody has proven she doesn't." It just doesn't make sense and I don't see it as a logical argument. That argument is what's preposterous.
As for us living in a holographic simulation... maybe. That is much less preposterous an idea than God, because holographic simulations are a real thing that are made possible through science. They aren't just a made up character like The Little Mermaid is. Or Mickey Mouse. Scientific possibilities, however unlikely, are not comparable to fictional characters.

jeffbr · May 2018

When a concept requires the suspension of disbelief, you're probably on the wrong track. I suspend disbelief when I go the the movies, because I like to be entertained and don't want to over-analyze things, but I try not to do that in real life. I prefer to rely on reason, logic and science when available.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

People are astonished I don't believe in something I have never seen and that no one has ever seen.
Who's the more foolish?

Neither can be called foolish, in my opinion, because no one knows for sure. the only people I consider fools, if anyone can or even should be called such, is someone who thinks they know the answer definitively.

I guess I'm a fool then! Oh well!

show me your mathematical equation disproving/proving the existence of god and then I'll eat my words.

your opinion does not equal fact.

Show me a mathematical equation disproving/proving the existence of The Little Mermaid and then I'll eat MY words.
Or is it just your opinion that The Little Mermaid doesn't actually exist? That doesn't make it fact either I guess!

you're right. it doesn't. she and a talking jamaican crab could live under the fucking sea for all we know. Do I believe it does? no. I can be 99.99999999999% sure it doesn't exist, given what we currently know. however, we have only discovered what, 5% (max) of the ocean has been explored? and considering all of the species that have come and gone over millenia, there's no way to know for sure.

does that make my opinion fact? also no.

and that's just talking about things on earth. now consider something that is purported to have created the universe. for anyone to say they "know" it exists or not is preposterous.

Stephen Hawking's last work was that he thought it possible we are all living in a holographic simulation.

I think that is just a cop out. Saying that you're only 99.99999999999% sure that The Little Mermaid and her talking crab don't really exist is just disingenuous, as well as illogical and irrational. I don't think any of us should be expected to embrace irrationality and pretend it's open mindedness. And that is also true for God. God was made up out of thin air by people, and to then make the leap to "well, I'm going to insist that it might be true even though it isn't feasible or rational to do so" is just paying lip service to religion, just like saying "I'm going to insist that it might be true that The Little Mermaid might exist because nobody has proven she doesn't." It just doesn't make sense and I don't see it as a logical argument. That argument is what's preposterous.
As for us living in a holographic simulation... maybe. That is much less preposterous an idea than God, because holographic simulations are a real thing that are made possible through science. They aren't just a made up character like The Little Mermaid is. Or Mickey Mouse. Scientific possibilities, however unlikely, are not comparable to fictional characters.

not a cop out. I can be 100% secure and confident in an assertion even if that assertion is that I don't know.

sure they are. if we live in a holographic simulation, then WE are fictional characters.

embracing the notion of living in a simulation over the idea that something intentionally created the universe, yet stating unequivocally that it is impossible that something exists within that simulation just because you haven't seen it/experienced it is wholly contradictory.

if you think I'd "pay lip service to religion", then you haven't really been listening. religion/christian god was made up out of thin air by man. if a god exists, it wasn't made up by anyone, and none of us have a sweet clue as to its origin or power.

just because humans drew up the concept of god, doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

RYME · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.

rgambs · May 2018

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.

You need a dictionary, your definition of reality couldn't possibly be more wrong.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.

lastexitlondon · May 2018

josevolution said:

I believe in just being a good human and I believe it stems from love true love I’ve been fortunate to really experience it both from my parents and from having a family of my own , we really don’t practice any religion at all my parents didn’t push any either I just feel like we are all part of nature , I just can’t believe that there is this supreme being at all ...

This

HesCalledDyer · May 2018

Short, but interesting article on the non-existence of "God." I like this human-oriented argument. I mean, really. If "God" is so concerned with humans, why do humans only make up approximately one-googolplexth of the universe?

http://theconversation.com/does-the-size-of-the-universe-prove-god-doesnt-exist-86645

HesCalledDyer · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.

Reminds me of that final scene in There Will Be Blood where Daniel shouts “Do you think your song and dance and your superstition will help you, Eli?”

RYME · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.

It probably won't be today or tomorrow but You'll see.

my2hands · May 2018

josevolution said:

I believe in just being a good human and I believe it stems from love true love I’ve been fortunate to really experience it both from my parents and from having a family of my own , we really don’t practice any religion at all my parents didn’t push any either I just feel like we are all part of nature , I just can’t believe that there is this supreme being at all ...

Amen brother

my2hands · May 2018

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.

It probably won't be today or tomorrow but You'll see.

What have you seen thats so special?

Smellyman · May 2018

my2hands said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.

You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up. That my friend is reality.

It probably won't be today or tomorrow but You'll see.

What have you seen thats so special?

Indoctrinated manipulated minds are a scary thing.

With or without religion you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

- Steven Weinberg

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