Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Smellyman said:

dignin said:

Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.

Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b


Con man

His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc.  Nothing is real about him

Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.

Idiots... or morally bankrupt.

There's no in-between in my mind.

I know many and they don't fit your narrative.

I said 'in my mind'.

I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?

Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:

1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick.  If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds.  Most of these people are highly religious.  But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well.  Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.

2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns.  And really are responsible gun owners.  And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away.  So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control.  To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.

3) Big government - they are highly anti-government.  Think they are all crooks and waste tax $.  So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease.  (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)

4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.

Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president.  But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders.  Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president.  Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future. 

To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws.  I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues.  But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues.  I wonder if they care about the details now?

1- speaks to the idiot (the welfare of the country means nothing when it comes to restricting a woman's choice... women... sheesh... just get barefoot int he kitchen already and know your place).

2- speaks to the idiot (scared a democratic government is planning on snatching everyone's guns).

3- speaks to the idiot (the government are all crooks so let's elect the biggest crook we know to really shove it in the government's face).

4- speaks to the immoral (having won the lottery of life... they refuse a lifeline to others in their finite time of being).

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Smellyman said:

dignin said:

Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.

Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b


Con man

His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc.  Nothing is real about him

Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.

Idiots... or morally bankrupt.

There's no in-between in my mind.

I know many and they don't fit your narrative.

I said 'in my mind'.

I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?

Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:

1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick.  If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds.  Most of these people are highly religious.  But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well.  Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.

2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns.  And really are responsible gun owners.  And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away.  So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control.  To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.

3) Big government - they are highly anti-government.  Think they are all crooks and waste tax $.  So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease.  (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)

4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.

Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president.  But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders.  Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president.  Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future. 

To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws.  I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues.  But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues.  I wonder if they care about the details now?

1- speaks to the idiot (the welfare of the country means nothing when it comes to restricting a woman's choice... women... sheesh... just get barefoot int he kitchen already and know your place).

2- speaks to the idiot (scared a democratic government is planning on snatching everyone's guns).

3- speaks to the idiot (the government are all crooks so let's elect the biggest crook we know to really shove it in the government's face).

4- speaks to the immoral (having won the lottery of life... they refuse a lifeline to others in their finite time of being).

You were right to quantify "in your mind" because I find your comments above to be part of the problem as to why we are where we are today.  Congratulations on making Donald Trump our president.

1) To many it is actually about saving a life.  Despite what you may think.
2) I don;t think they are idiots for this, just unreasonable
3) Again, I don;t think idiots.  It's not like they actually had a great choice to make there.  They wanted a non-washington type...heck so do I actually...and they were ok with ignoring personal faults to get it....I was not.
4) Immoral?  Ok, that's just nonsense.  How many refugees you got living in your house?  Immoral, what a dumbass statement that just shuts down any real conversation.  again, nicely done.

dignin said:

Smellyman said:

dignin said:

Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.

Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b


Con man

His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc.  Nothing is real about him

Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Smellyman said:

dignin said:

Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.

Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b


Con man

His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc.  Nothing is real about him

Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.

Idiots... or morally bankrupt.

There's no in-between in my mind.

I know many and they don't fit your narrative.

I said 'in my mind'.

I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?

Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:

1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick.  If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds.  Most of these people are highly religious.  But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well.  Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.

2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns.  And really are responsible gun owners.  And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away.  So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control.  To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.

3) Big government - they are highly anti-government.  Think they are all crooks and waste tax $.  So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease.  (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)

4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.

Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president.  But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders.  Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president.  Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future. 

To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws.  I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues.  But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues.  I wonder if they care about the details now?

1- speaks to the idiot (the welfare of the country means nothing when it comes to restricting a woman's choice... women... sheesh... just get barefoot int he kitchen already and know your place).

2- speaks to the idiot (scared a democratic government is planning on snatching everyone's guns).

3- speaks to the idiot (the government are all crooks so let's elect the biggest crook we know to really shove it in the government's face).

4- speaks to the immoral (having won the lottery of life... they refuse a lifeline to others in their finite time of being).

You were right to quantify "in your mind" because I find your comments above to be part of the problem as to why we are where we are today.  Congratulations on making Donald Trump our president.

1) To many it is actually about saving a life.  Despite what you may think.
2) I don;t think they are idiots for this, just unreasonable
3) Again, I don;t think idiots.  It's not like they actually had a great choice to make there.  They wanted a non-washington type...heck so do I actually...and they were ok with ignoring personal faults to get it....I was not.
4) Immoral?  Ok, that's just nonsense.  How many refugees you got living in your house?  Immoral, what a dumbass statement that just shuts down any real conversation.  again, nicely done.

You don't think it's immoral the recent deportations where good American people have been shipped to another country- some even after having serving the US military? You think considering such as immoral is 'nonsense'?

Congratulations on supporting Donald Trump! Let me say it again, nicely done.

Tiki said:

2nd Amendment?  That shit is OLD and should be gotten rid of.  Muskets are different from Assault Rifles. 
Got a Driver's License? They make you get that because operating a car is dangerous. What about a gun operators license?

my2hands said:

Tiki said:

De-schedule and De-criminalize.  NATIONWIDE.

I support and endorse this message. 

Chuck Schumer Will Unveil a Marijuana Decriminalization Bill on Friday—Which, Yes, Is 4/20

cincybearcat said:

Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:

1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick.  If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds.  Most of these people are highly religious.  But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well.  Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.

2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns.  And really are responsible gun owners.  And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away.  So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control.  To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.

3) Big government - they are highly anti-government.  Think they are all crooks and waste tax $.  So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease.  (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)

4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.

Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president.  But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders.  Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president.  Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future. 

To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws.  I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues.  But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues.  I wonder if they care about the details now?

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:

1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick.  If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds.  Most of these people are highly religious.  But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well.  Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.

2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns.  And really are responsible gun owners.  And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away.  So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control.  To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.

3) Big government - they are highly anti-government.  Think they are all crooks and waste tax $.  So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease.  (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)

4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.

Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president.  But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders.  Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president.  Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future. 

To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws.  I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues.  But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues.  I wonder if they care about the details now?

I honestly don't know many that voted for him; those that did like that he "says what's on his mind" and all the other crap that's going along with this.

Most of my smarter conservative friends are more like you; maybe ambivalent on abortion but like small government, lower taxes, etc.  But I don't think any voted for him.  They were turned off by his history towards women (one friend with daughters made a big thing out of this; ten years ago, I wonder how he votes), his xenophobic rhetoric, and his general ridiculousness.  Those people have not changed.  And neither have the above ones who voted for him.  I have one facebook friend (fiscal conservative; social liberal) who has stated regret for her vote.  I'm not away of anyone else I have contact with.

So I am curious as to whether any of the folks you know regret their vote, or, more importantly, don't think they'll vote for him in 2020.  Honestly, of the four reasons you cite, only those focused on #3 would be likely to flip, in my mind.  Trump's better for them than any Democrat...unless they are getting burned out on the circus.

Great question....from those that I know I think about 25% will say outright they regret their vote.  Those that vote on abortion will excuse everything for that...and there are some others that like the stress he is causing.  It's not as high as I would like

And these are really all very good people.  Good jobs.  Good families.  Really help people out in their communities all the time.  I mean people that I would feel very comfortable leaving my daughter with.  I just can't understand how they don't regret their vote, but most do not....yet.