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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,831
    Tiki said:
    Tiki said:
    Walking the dog a few days ago I ran into a 70 something woman.  I encouraged her to make sure she voted, something that I've been doing, without saying ANYTHING partisan, since early voting started here in MD.  Just "vote".  Not vote blue, just vote.  She immediately asked me if my dog (Tiki) was a republican or a democrat.

    I said he was unaffiliated.  He's a dog.

    She then went on to tell me how much she LOVED Trump.  I told her that I understood why she would, and then I went on my way.  Zero judgement, just two Americans on the street. 

    She went back inside to Fox News all day every day.  I went back to things in my life that I could control.  

    VOTE.
    I'm with you
    I always encourage people to vote.
    No matter which way
    Just get out and vote

    What part of MD are you in?
    About 30 minutes south of Annapolis.  I can throw a rock from my front yard into the Chesapeake Bay.
    Be careful.  Some won’t be able to distinguish that from firing bullets into the bay.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,573
    Tiki said:
    Tiki said:
    Walking the dog a few days ago I ran into a 70 something woman.  I encouraged her to make sure she voted, something that I've been doing, without saying ANYTHING partisan, since early voting started here in MD.  Just "vote".  Not vote blue, just vote.  She immediately asked me if my dog (Tiki) was a republican or a democrat.

    I said he was unaffiliated.  He's a dog.

    She then went on to tell me how much she LOVED Trump.  I told her that I understood why she would, and then I went on my way.  Zero judgement, just two Americans on the street. 

    She went back inside to Fox News all day every day.  I went back to things in my life that I could control.  

    VOTE.
    I'm with you
    I always encourage people to vote.
    No matter which way
    Just get out and vote

    What part of MD are you in?
    About 30 minutes south of Annapolis.  I can throw a rock from my front yard into the Chesapeake Bay.
    Nice part of the state
    I miss the fresh seafood 
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    That "fresh" CFOOD isn't all it's cracked up to be.  TASTY but...
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    OnWis97 said:
    Tiki said:
    Tiki said:
    Walking the dog a few days ago I ran into a 70 something woman.  I encouraged her to make sure she voted, something that I've been doing, without saying ANYTHING partisan, since early voting started here in MD.  Just "vote".  Not vote blue, just vote.  She immediately asked me if my dog (Tiki) was a republican or a democrat.

    I said he was unaffiliated.  He's a dog.

    She then went on to tell me how much she LOVED Trump.  I told her that I understood why she would, and then I went on my way.  Zero judgement, just two Americans on the street. 

    She went back inside to Fox News all day every day.  I went back to things in my life that I could control.  

    VOTE.
    I'm with you
    I always encourage people to vote.
    No matter which way
    Just get out and vote

    What part of MD are you in?
    About 30 minutes south of Annapolis.  I can throw a rock from my front yard into the Chesapeake Bay.
    Be careful.  Some won’t be able to distinguish that from firing bullets into the bay.
    or golf balls.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,709
    Sure, sure... Trump doesn't normalize racism.  It's completely normal for a cabinet sec'y to say something like this.. 

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/414732-top-trump-official-florida-governors-race-is-so-cotton-pickin-important
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    I'll tell you something...
    That same walk I spied a USA attack helicopter fly out over the mad polluted water right next to my house.  Other than BURNING GAS I'm not sure what the "mission" was.
    That flying killing machine became TOTALLY SILENT about here in the photo.


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    pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    edited November 2018
    I went to a Democratic Rally earlier today--feeling very energized by it and hopeful for the future :)   It was so nice to be with my tribe of people for awhile.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,280
    This should be an all time classic.

    Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity will join 
    President Trump at a rally on the eve of this week's midterm elections, the Trump campaign announced Sunday.

    The two conservative media personalities will join Trump for a rally Monday night in Cape Girardeau, Mo. 

    It's a hopeless situation...
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,792
    Tiki said:
    I'll tell you something...
    That same walk I spied a USA attack helicopter fly out over the mad polluted water right next to my house.  Other than BURNING GAS I'm not sure what the "mission" was.
    That flying killing machine became TOTALLY SILENT about here in the photo.


    Must have been inspecting that flying fish positioned at about 10 o'clock from the helicopter.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,702
    edited November 2018
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,751
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    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry.
    I'm starting to wonder what the name "Mueller" makes you. I think you're a bigger fan of him than you are of Pearl Jam. 
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    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry.
    I'm starting to wonder what the name "Mueller" makes you. I think you're a bigger fan of him than you are of Pearl Jam. 
    Hopeful.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,831
    Mueller will be fired by the end of the week.  Onepartysystem
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    OnWis97 said:
    Mueller will be fired by the end of the week.  Onepartysystem
    Nah.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,359
    OnWis97 said:
    Mueller will be fired by the end of the week.  Onepartysystem
    Nope.
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,570
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,359
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
    Why on earth would you rush something as serious like this? Of course he's dotting the i's and crossing the t's. Look at the man's resume. 
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    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
    Team Mueller is doing everything by the book and being methodical as he follows the evidence where it leads. In short, he’s not politicizing this investigation and he’s not fucking around. You can bet there are multiple sets of thumb drives distributed or waiting to be to trusted sources. Team Trump Treason ain’t getting away with “it.”
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,894
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,709
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
    It's DOJ 'general' policy not to release political indictments or anything that can be perceived as affecting the election, between Labor Day and Nov.  This is why Mueller has gone publicly silent.  It's also why the Comey thing in 16 was so outrageous.  Mueller is just following protocol here.  However, he has not been inactive, just quiet.  Here's a really interesting read about the speculation that there has been a major court battle about a Grand Jury between the special counsel and someone...

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/31/has-robert-mueller-subpoenaed-trump-222060
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    brianlux said:
    Tiki said:
    I'll tell you something...
    That same walk I spied a USA attack helicopter fly out over the mad polluted water right next to my house.  Other than BURNING GAS I'm not sure what the "mission" was.
    That flying killing machine became TOTALLY SILENT about here in the photo.


    Must have been inspecting that flying fish positioned at about 10 o'clock from the helicopter.
    I was wondering what that was as well. I'm pretty sure it's a seagull, but anyway  experiencing or seeing military aircraft in action always spookes me.

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    How do you have a rational conversation with someone from the other side that won't call out the leader of their party? How do you debate or find common ground with someone who lives in an alternate reality, not based in fact?

    ‘Full Trumpism’: The president’s apocalyptic attacks reach a new level of falsity

    President Trump has claimed without evidence that Democrats want to destroy the economy, obliterate Medicare and open the borders to violent criminals.

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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,570
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
    Why on earth would you rush something as serious like this? Of course he's dotting the i's and crossing the t's. Look at the man's resume. 


    What I'm saying is that if Mueller had evidence that Trump was colluding with Russia and a current danger to the US, would he take his time building the strongest case possible and letting Trump stay in power for 1+ years and possibly make treasonous deals, or would he alert Congress confidentially (if he was allowed to) and then continue on the investigation to cross all the i's and dot all the t's. 

    I'm not saying Trump did nothing wrong or that Mueller isn't good at his job.  If he continues taking his time than I am thinking there is wrongdoing but not that rises up to being a danger to national security.

     


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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,709
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
    Why on earth would you rush something as serious like this? Of course he's dotting the i's and crossing the t's. Look at the man's resume. 


    What I'm saying is that if Mueller had evidence that Trump was colluding with Russia and a current danger to the US, would he take his time building the strongest case possible and letting Trump stay in power for 1+ years and possibly make treasonous deals, or would he alert Congress confidentially (if he was allowed to) and then continue on the investigation to cross all the i's and dot all the t's. 

    I'm not saying Trump did nothing wrong or that Mueller isn't good at his job.  If he continues taking his time than I am thinking there is wrongdoing but not that rises up to being a danger to national security.

     


    the special counsel's report can't be shared with congress without approval from the DOJ.  And it would be leaked, as you know.  Mueller is playing this one by the book and correctly.  
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    Hi! said:
    brianlux said:
    Tiki said:
    I'll tell you something...
    That same walk I spied a USA attack helicopter fly out over the mad polluted water right next to my house.  Other than BURNING GAS I'm not sure what the "mission" was.
    That flying killing machine became TOTALLY SILENT about here in the photo.


    Must have been inspecting that flying fish positioned at about 10 o'clock from the helicopter.
    I was wondering what that was as well. I'm pretty sure it's a seagull, but anyway  experiencing or seeing military aircraft in action always spookes me.
    We occasionally get military helicopter flying by.   My neighbor is a Vietnam vet who has PSTD related to bad experiences with military helicopters and every time one passes by I feel badly for him. 
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Lot of eggs in that Mueller basket
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    brianlux said:
    Hi! said:
    brianlux said:
    Tiki said:
    I'll tell you something...
    That same walk I spied a USA attack helicopter fly out over the mad polluted water right next to my house.  Other than BURNING GAS I'm not sure what the "mission" was.
    That flying killing machine became TOTALLY SILENT about here in the photo.


    Must have been inspecting that flying fish positioned at about 10 o'clock from the helicopter.
    I was wondering what that was as well. I'm pretty sure it's a seagull, but anyway  experiencing or seeing military aircraft in action always spookes me.
    We occasionally get military helicopter flying by.   My neighbor is a Vietnam vet who has PSTD related to bad experiences with military helicopters and every time one passes by I feel badly for him. 
    I hear ya. I always think about the populations of people living around the world who have to grow up or live in an environment with these machines flying overhead day and night. Iraq, Afghanistan, ect. ect. Definetly fucked up. I mean, I get freaked out at an airshow. I can't imagine growing up in a warzone.

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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,831
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
    Why on earth would you rush something as serious like this? Of course he's dotting the i's and crossing the t's. Look at the man's resume. 


    What I'm saying is that if Mueller had evidence that Trump was colluding with Russia and a current danger to the US, would he take his time building the strongest case possible and letting Trump stay in power for 1+ years and possibly make treasonous deals, or would he alert Congress confidentially (if he was allowed to) and then continue on the investigation to cross all the i's and dot all the t's. 

    I'm not saying Trump did nothing wrong or that Mueller isn't good at his job.  If he continues taking his time than I am thinking there is wrongdoing but not that rises up to being a danger to national security.

     


    I think that's a good point.  Admittedly, I don't know a lot about the rules and regulations of such investigations, but if they really got something related to him doing Putin's bidding or anything else treasonous, it seems that this approach would be kinda letting it go on, which seems dangerous.

    I also agree that if there was nothing there, it would be long over.  Those things bring me to election-related hi-jinks.  Bad stuff, but not ongoing stuff.

    By the way, as much as I want to see Trump go out disgracefully (in part out of spite, but also for the long-term hope that we don't continue to have major parties nominating people like him), I cannot hope that there actually is something treasonous ongoing. I hope I'm wrong and that while Russia feels it has a stake in helping nitwits win and dividing us, that Trump is not actually working with/for them because they have something on him (part of me still thinks that).  That's an embarrassment and a danger that goes beyond party lines and beyond Watergate.  That said, what I ultimately want out of this is the truth.  For the left, that has to mean accepting what comes of it.  And for the right that would mean actually allowing it to come out (I don't think it ever will) and not discrediting it as an effort to put party first (I think they would do that).


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    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry.
    I'm starting to wonder what the name "Mueller" makes you. I think you're a bigger fan of him than you are of Pearl Jam. 
    I’d love to sit in a congressional hearing room and listen and watch as Team Mueller delivers his report but not 65 times.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,359
    OnWis97 said:
    “Just the name Mueller” makes Team Trump Treason angry. Why is that? If,

    ”There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    ”Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/04/politics/ip-forecast/index.html

    Will be interesting to see what happens.  Is Mueller taking his time to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, or is he still searching for evidence that that can actually put Trump away?   If Trump did anything that was actually dangerous to America's security would he continue to take his time or at least get something out there to alert Congress sooner rather than later. 
    Why on earth would you rush something as serious like this? Of course he's dotting the i's and crossing the t's. Look at the man's resume. 


    What I'm saying is that if Mueller had evidence that Trump was colluding with Russia and a current danger to the US, would he take his time building the strongest case possible and letting Trump stay in power for 1+ years and possibly make treasonous deals, or would he alert Congress confidentially (if he was allowed to) and then continue on the investigation to cross all the i's and dot all the t's. 

    I'm not saying Trump did nothing wrong or that Mueller isn't good at his job.  If he continues taking his time than I am thinking there is wrongdoing but not that rises up to being a danger to national security.

     


    I think that's a good point.  Admittedly, I don't know a lot about the rules and regulations of such investigations, but if they really got something related to him doing Putin's bidding or anything else treasonous, it seems that this approach would be kinda letting it go on, which seems dangerous.

    I also agree that if there was nothing there, it would be long over.  Those things bring me to election-related hi-jinks.  Bad stuff, but not ongoing stuff.

    By the way, as much as I want to see Trump go out disgracefully (in part out of spite, but also for the long-term hope that we don't continue to have major parties nominating people like him), I cannot hope that there actually is something treasonous ongoing. I hope I'm wrong and that while Russia feels it has a stake in helping nitwits win and dividing us, that Trump is not actually working with/for them because they have something on him (part of me still thinks that).  That's an embarrassment and a danger that goes beyond party lines and beyond Watergate.  That said, what I ultimately want out of this is the truth.  For the left, that has to mean accepting what comes of it.  And for the right that would mean actually allowing it to come out (I don't think it ever will) and not discrediting it as an effort to put party first (I think they would do that).


    One of the most sane posts in this whole thread. Bravo.
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