Donald Trump
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Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I said 'in my mind'.cincybearcat said:
I know many and they don't fit your narrative.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:dignin said:
Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.Smellyman said:
His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc. Nothing is real about himdignin said:Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.
Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b
Con man
Idiots... or morally bankrupt.
There's no in-between in my mind.
I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?
1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick. If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds. Most of these people are highly religious. But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well. Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.
2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns. And really are responsible gun owners. And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away. So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control. To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.
3) Big government - they are highly anti-government. Think they are all crooks and waste tax $. So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease. (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)
4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.
Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president. But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders. Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president. Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future.
To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws. I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues. But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues. I wonder if they care about the details now?hippiemom = goodness0 -
The thing those Comey memos DO show is the newly elected (and very off the rails) President had his own set of rules of how he expected things to operate.
Since that point in time we've grown accustomed to that type of behavior.
What once seemed unthinkable is working it's way toward NORMALCY.
Keep fighting that. It's FASCISM.
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1- speaks to the idiot (the welfare of the country means nothing when it comes to restricting a woman's choice... women... sheesh... just get barefoot int he kitchen already and know your place).cincybearcat said:
Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I said 'in my mind'.cincybearcat said:
I know many and they don't fit your narrative.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:dignin said:
Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.Smellyman said:
His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc. Nothing is real about himdignin said:Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.
Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b
Con man
Idiots... or morally bankrupt.
There's no in-between in my mind.
I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?
1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick. If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds. Most of these people are highly religious. But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well. Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.
2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns. And really are responsible gun owners. And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away. So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control. To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.
3) Big government - they are highly anti-government. Think they are all crooks and waste tax $. So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease. (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)
4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.
Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president. But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders. Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president. Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future.
To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws. I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues. But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues. I wonder if they care about the details now?
2- speaks to the idiot (scared a democratic government is planning on snatching everyone's guns).
3- speaks to the idiot (the government are all crooks so let's elect the biggest crook we know to really shove it in the government's face).
4- speaks to the immoral (having won the lottery of life... they refuse a lifeline to others in their finite time of being).
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You were right to quantify "in your mind" because I find your comments above to be part of the problem as to why we are where we are today. Congratulations on making Donald Trump our president.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
1- speaks to the idiot (the welfare of the country means nothing when it comes to restricting a woman's choice... women... sheesh... just get barefoot int he kitchen already and know your place).cincybearcat said:
Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I said 'in my mind'.cincybearcat said:
I know many and they don't fit your narrative.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:dignin said:
Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.Smellyman said:
His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc. Nothing is real about himdignin said:Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.
Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b
Con man
Idiots... or morally bankrupt.
There's no in-between in my mind.
I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?
1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick. If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds. Most of these people are highly religious. But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well. Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.
2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns. And really are responsible gun owners. And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away. So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control. To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.
3) Big government - they are highly anti-government. Think they are all crooks and waste tax $. So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease. (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)
4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.
Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president. But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders. Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president. Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future.
To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws. I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues. But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues. I wonder if they care about the details now?
2- speaks to the idiot (scared a democratic government is planning on snatching everyone's guns).
3- speaks to the idiot (the government are all crooks so let's elect the biggest crook we know to really shove it in the government's face).
4- speaks to the immoral (having won the lottery of life... they refuse a lifeline to others in their finite time of being).
1) To many it is actually about saving a life. Despite what you may think.
2) I don;t think they are idiots for this, just unreasonable
3) Again, I don;t think idiots. It's not like they actually had a great choice to make there. They wanted a non-washington type...heck so do I actually...and they were ok with ignoring personal faults to get it....I was not.
4) Immoral? Ok, that's just nonsense. How many refugees you got living in your house? Immoral, what a dumbass statement that just shuts down any real conversation. again, nicely done.hippiemom = goodness0 -
A TV gameshow built around the false premise that he was a business genius. Many of us, myself included, wildly underestimated how many people actually believed what they were seeing.Bentleyspop said:
Easy..... he was the host of a TV game showThirty Bills Unpaid said:
I said 'in my mind'.cincybearcat said:
I know many and they don't fit your narrative.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:dignin said:
Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.Smellyman said:
His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc. Nothing is real about himdignin said:Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.
Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b
Con man
Idiots... or morally bankrupt.
There's no in-between in my mind.
I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?
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You don't think it's immoral the recent deportations where good American people have been shipped to another country- some even after having serving the US military? You think considering such as immoral is 'nonsense'?cincybearcat said:
You were right to quantify "in your mind" because I find your comments above to be part of the problem as to why we are where we are today. Congratulations on making Donald Trump our president.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
1- speaks to the idiot (the welfare of the country means nothing when it comes to restricting a woman's choice... women... sheesh... just get barefoot int he kitchen already and know your place).cincybearcat said:
Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I said 'in my mind'.cincybearcat said:
I know many and they don't fit your narrative.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:dignin said:
Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.Smellyman said:
His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc. Nothing is real about himdignin said:Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.
Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b
Con man
Idiots... or morally bankrupt.
There's no in-between in my mind.
I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?
1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick. If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds. Most of these people are highly religious. But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well. Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.
2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns. And really are responsible gun owners. And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away. So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control. To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.
3) Big government - they are highly anti-government. Think they are all crooks and waste tax $. So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease. (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)
4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.
Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president. But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders. Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president. Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future.
To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws. I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues. But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues. I wonder if they care about the details now?
2- speaks to the idiot (scared a democratic government is planning on snatching everyone's guns).
3- speaks to the idiot (the government are all crooks so let's elect the biggest crook we know to really shove it in the government's face).
4- speaks to the immoral (having won the lottery of life... they refuse a lifeline to others in their finite time of being).
1) To many it is actually about saving a life. Despite what you may think.
2) I don;t think they are idiots for this, just unreasonable
3) Again, I don;t think idiots. It's not like they actually had a great choice to make there. They wanted a non-washington type...heck so do I actually...and they were ok with ignoring personal faults to get it....I was not.
4) Immoral? Ok, that's just nonsense. How many refugees you got living in your house? Immoral, what a dumbass statement that just shuts down any real conversation. again, nicely done.
Congratulations on supporting Donald Trump! Let me say it again, nicely done.
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It took a village to elect a Trump.
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You’d be surprised at the folks who did I work in pretty big health system umbrella of hospitals Northwell and most Doctors & sales reps I deal with everyday most voted for him ! Educated people not just hillbilly ‘s did ..dignin said:
Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.Smellyman said:
His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc. Nothing is real about himdignin said:Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.
Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b
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Abortion? Right-y's are WAY TOO JUDGEY. It's none of your business pal. Change the law you don't like it.
2nd Amendment? That shit is OLD and should be gotten rid of. Muskets are different from Assault Rifles.
Got a Driver's License? They make you get that because operating a car is dangerous. What about a gun operators license?
Big government? What about Big military spending? What about the waste of Gov't resources on those weekend golf trips?
Not staffing the State Department because you don't know what it does? That's just STUPID.
I'd rather have big gov't that actually attacks problems like poverty or the opiod crisis or racial inequality.
or EDUCATION. or a million other things
Xenophobia is always wrong.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
Agreed !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Yeah and HAPPY 420.
De-schedule and De-criminalize. NATIONWIDE.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
I didn’t vote for trump.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You don't think it's immoral the recent deportations where good American people have been shipped to another country- some even after having serving the US military? You think considering such as immoral is 'nonsense'?cincybearcat said:
You were right to quantify "in your mind" because I find your comments above to be part of the problem as to why we are where we are today. Congratulations on making Donald Trump our president.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
1- speaks to the idiot (the welfare of the country means nothing when it comes to restricting a woman's choice... women... sheesh... just get barefoot int he kitchen already and know your place).cincybearcat said:
Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I said 'in my mind'.cincybearcat said:
I know many and they don't fit your narrative.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:dignin said:
Almost 63 million Americans voted for this con man. I'm still floored by it.Smellyman said:
His orangeness, his hair, his wealth, his intelligence, his health etc. etc. Nothing is real about himdignin said:Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.
Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.f011ce632b4b
Con man
Idiots... or morally bankrupt.
There's no in-between in my mind.
I mean seriously... how the f**k could you vote for that guy?
1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick. If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds. Most of these people are highly religious. But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well. Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.
2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns. And really are responsible gun owners. And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away. So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control. To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.
3) Big government - they are highly anti-government. Think they are all crooks and waste tax $. So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease. (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)
4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.
Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president. But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders. Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president. Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future.
To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws. I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues. But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues. I wonder if they care about the details now?
2- speaks to the idiot (scared a democratic government is planning on snatching everyone's guns).
3- speaks to the idiot (the government are all crooks so let's elect the biggest crook we know to really shove it in the government's face).
4- speaks to the immoral (having won the lottery of life... they refuse a lifeline to others in their finite time of being).
1) To many it is actually about saving a life. Despite what you may think.
2) I don;t think they are idiots for this, just unreasonable
3) Again, I don;t think idiots. It's not like they actually had a great choice to make there. They wanted a non-washington type...heck so do I actually...and they were ok with ignoring personal faults to get it....I was not.
4) Immoral? Ok, that's just nonsense. How many refugees you got living in your house? Immoral, what a dumbass statement that just shuts down any real conversation. again, nicely done.
Congratulations on supporting Donald Trump! Let me say it again, nicely done.
do I think it’s immoral? No. Do I think it was the right way? No. But had republican and Democrats failed to enforce the law and do anything about it for a very long time. Yes. We need immigration reform and we weren’t getting it.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Hell yeah enjoy light it up if you have and pass it around way better then passing around bottle of booze..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Exactly, we are required to obtain a driver's license and show proof of car insurance every four years. Yet, I haven't heard any fake news crap about taking away my car.Tiki said:
2nd Amendment? That shit is OLD and should be gotten rid of. Muskets are different from Assault Rifles.
Got a Driver's License? They make you get that because operating a car is dangerous. What about a gun operators license?
Just cannot understand why some people are opposed to licensing every gun owner and requiring proof of insurance. Hell, let's throw in a vision exam to renew a gun license, since a vision test is required to renew my driver's license.
And let's not talk about criminals would not get gun licenses, there are plenty of drivers on the road without a valid driver's license or proof of insurance.0 -
So does Chuck Schumer!my2hands said:
I support and endorse this message.Tiki said:
De-schedule and De-criminalize. NATIONWIDE.Chuck Schumer Will Unveil a Marijuana Decriminalization Bill on Friday—Which, Yes, Is 4/20
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It must be a rough time to be a socially-moderate "small government" conservative. When was the last time the GOP took any legitimate strides toward smaller government? And while this isn't "bigger government," their affinity for deficits ought to be frustrating. I get they don't like "tax and spend" but "don't tax and do spend" can't be better.
So I get that people like this voted for him. First, we knew Hillary was going to be more of the same from this perspective...Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. So, hey, how about we roll the dice on a successful* businessman? Maybe he'll be able to go in there and at least cut the silly spending. I personally am always nervous about this notion of running the government like a business. It seems like just a platitude floated by people that just assume "private good; public bad." But that's how people feel. Having worked for several government entities, I'll tell you that the ones that try to run themselves like a business (i.e., to "grow") are the ones that should piss taxpayers off the most and are the poorest stewards of public funding.
*He's not particularly successful...just a silver-spooner who turns almost everything to shit; but I don't think that was common knowledge. He was, and still is, believed to be successful.
Anyhow, I'd hope it is these folks that would re-think their position in 2020. One-issue voters on abortion and guns are going to vote "R" every time. If anything, immigration will gain him voters. But socially moderate fiscal conservatives? Has this really gone how they'd like it to have gone? Does the positive of the tax bill outweigh the long-term negatives and even if so does it outweigh the daily embarrassment, the tweets, and the tiptoeing toward authoritarianism?
Of course there are other things beside those issues that fuel Trump supporters: Obama and Hillary, particularly the latter. Trump and his followers are doing everything they can to keep Hillary on the radar. Dislike of Hillary was an important factor in that election and I think they know keeping her (perceived as) relevant riles their people up. What a populist candidate needs is an enemy to rally against. Hillary was PERFECT for that. Staring in about a year, I hope she does we she can to keep a low profile and I really hope the Democratic party recognizes that they have to find a candidate that is more difficult to demonize.
Trump thrives on domestic enemies. If there's no longer a Hillary factor, this may drive down the desire to support him.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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I honestly don't know many that voted for him; those that did like that he "says what's on his mind" and all the other crap that's going along with this.cincybearcat said:
Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:
1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick. If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds. Most of these people are highly religious. But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well. Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.
2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns. And really are responsible gun owners. And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away. So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control. To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.
3) Big government - they are highly anti-government. Think they are all crooks and waste tax $. So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease. (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)
4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.
Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president. But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders. Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president. Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future.
To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws. I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues. But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues. I wonder if they care about the details now?
Most of my smarter conservative friends are more like you; maybe ambivalent on abortion but like small government, lower taxes, etc. But I don't think any voted for him. They were turned off by his history towards women (one friend with daughters made a big thing out of this; ten years ago, I wonder how he votes), his xenophobic rhetoric, and his general ridiculousness. Those people have not changed. And neither have the above ones who voted for him. I have one facebook friend (fiscal conservative; social liberal) who has stated regret for her vote. I'm not aware of anyone else I have contact with.
So I am curious as to whether any of the folks you know regret their vote, or, more importantly, don't think they'll vote for him in 2020. Honestly, of the four reasons you cite, only those focused on #3 would be likely to flip, in my mind. Trump's better for 1, and 4 for them than any Democrat. #2 is a wash, but that's not how they tend to see it.(unless they are getting burned out on the circus).Post edited by OnWis97 on1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Great question....from those that I know I think about 25% will say outright they regret their vote. Those that vote on abortion will excuse everything for that...and there are some others that like the stress he is causing. It's not as high as I would likeOnWis97 said:
I honestly don't know many that voted for him; those that did like that he "says what's on his mind" and all the other crap that's going along with this.cincybearcat said:
Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:
1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick. If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds. Most of these people are highly religious. But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well. Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.
2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns. And really are responsible gun owners. And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away. So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control. To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.
3) Big government - they are highly anti-government. Think they are all crooks and waste tax $. So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease. (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)
4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.
Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president. But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders. Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president. Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future.
To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws. I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues. But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues. I wonder if they care about the details now?
Most of my smarter conservative friends are more like you; maybe ambivalent on abortion but like small government, lower taxes, etc. But I don't think any voted for him. They were turned off by his history towards women (one friend with daughters made a big thing out of this; ten years ago, I wonder how he votes), his xenophobic rhetoric, and his general ridiculousness. Those people have not changed. And neither have the above ones who voted for him. I have one facebook friend (fiscal conservative; social liberal) who has stated regret for her vote. I'm not away of anyone else I have contact with.
So I am curious as to whether any of the folks you know regret their vote, or, more importantly, don't think they'll vote for him in 2020. Honestly, of the four reasons you cite, only those focused on #3 would be likely to flip, in my mind. Trump's better for them than any Democrat...unless they are getting burned out on the circus.
And these are really all very good people. Good jobs. Good families. Really help people out in their communities all the time. I mean people that I would feel very comfortable leaving my daughter with. I just can't understand how they don't regret their vote, but most do not....yet.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I know many such Trump voters who I would describe in similar terms. Good people who I believe made a very bad mistake in 2016. And, like you say, almost none of them seem to have any regrets yet. The reason why, in my opinion, is Fox News and conservative talk radio. The media they are consuming is depicting a version of current events that reinforces the reasoning behind their votes.cincybearcat said:
Great question....from those that I know I think about 25% will say outright they regret their vote. Those that vote on abortion will excuse everything for that...and there are some others that like the stress he is causing. It's not as high as I would likeOnWis97 said:
I honestly don't know many that voted for him; those that did like that he "says what's on his mind" and all the other crap that's going along with this.cincybearcat said:
Let me think back...though remember I didn't vote for him I do know many that did:
1) Abortion - some people I know have this a the only measuring stick. If you are pro-choice, you are not electable in their minds. Most of these people are highly religious. But I have never been and I use to think somewhat like this as well. Until I realized it was not smart to base decisions like this on only 1 matter that they do not even have the power to do anything about.
2) 2nd amendment - there are many that love their guns. And really are responsible gun owners. And for some reason they are convinced that any discussion about gun control mean taking all guns away. So they won't vote for someone who is willing to have a discussion about gun control. To be fair, over the last several years this has become my single-issue voter topic myself...but on the opposite side.
3) Big government - they are highly anti-government. Think they are all crooks and waste tax $. So a) wanted a non-washington person as president b) tend to vote republican thinking they will get tax break and spending will decrease. (Unfortunately the republicans of late don't seem to give much tax relief and still spend way too much)
4) immigration reform - though I think many know it needs more than a wall...they wanted the government to enforce the laws we have that they've ignored for so long.
Honestly - those are the 4 biggest reasons I've heard. I was and still am intrigued about a true business person being president. But not one like Trump, someone that had to run a corporation with a board and shareholders. Trump was a dictator as a business man and now as a president. Also - I could not overlook the fact that Trump had an extremely sexist and seems to be racist past, present and I'm sure future.
To be honest - I actually am anti-abortion, anti-big government, and I want immigration reform and for the government to enforce our laws. I just didn't like how trump was as a person and his extreme positions on those issues. But many just wanted someone they thought would go against the "norm" and do something about those issues. I wonder if they care about the details now?
Most of my smarter conservative friends are more like you; maybe ambivalent on abortion but like small government, lower taxes, etc. But I don't think any voted for him. They were turned off by his history towards women (one friend with daughters made a big thing out of this; ten years ago, I wonder how he votes), his xenophobic rhetoric, and his general ridiculousness. Those people have not changed. And neither have the above ones who voted for him. I have one facebook friend (fiscal conservative; social liberal) who has stated regret for her vote. I'm not away of anyone else I have contact with.
So I am curious as to whether any of the folks you know regret their vote, or, more importantly, don't think they'll vote for him in 2020. Honestly, of the four reasons you cite, only those focused on #3 would be likely to flip, in my mind. Trump's better for them than any Democrat...unless they are getting burned out on the circus.
And these are really all very good people. Good jobs. Good families. Really help people out in their communities all the time. I mean people that I would feel very comfortable leaving my daughter with. I just can't understand how they don't regret their vote, but most do not....yet.
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