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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited April 2018
    brianlux said:
    My latest thinking on Syria is this:  We don't really know what's going on.  When the strikes happened, most of us had this feeling of a sickening sense of doom.  I did for awhile.  Here comes World War III.  We're all going to get nuked.  We're all going to die.  (Well, OK, that part is true.)  And then we start getting these reports that say, no, this was just for show.  Or, yay, we showed them!  Lots of people in Syria were killed. Or, no, not even Russian soldiers were killed.  Chemical weapons development plants were destroyed.  Or, no, important or critical sites were hit.  Blah blah blah.  Who really knows?

    The other thing we hear a lot is how terrible Trump was (or how heroic Trump was) for sending those missiles into Syria.  Really?  I don't think so.  I really don't think the president had much to do with this.  Not that I'm a fan, of course, but I really really doubt it was his call.

    What so we know?  Squat. 
    This was a targeted limited strike... not an invasion... America has only had two miltary strikes against the Assad regime, both in response the alleged chemical attacks and both targeted facilities related to that

    2,000 American troops are not on the ground to.m fight against Syria & Russia... American and other western forces are in northern Syria fighting against the Islamic State... 

    The west is not an occupying force in Syria... this is not shock & awe... America had 170,000 troops in Iraq and 100,000 in Afghanistan... they have 2,000 in Syria
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,802
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    My latest thinking on Syria is this:  We don't really know what's going on.  When the strikes happened, most of us had this feeling of a sickening sense of doom.  I did for awhile.  Here comes World War III.  We're all going to get nuked.  We're all going to die.  (Well, OK, that part is true.)  And then we start getting these reports that say, no, this was just for show.  Or, yay, we showed them!  Lots of people in Syria were killed. Or, no, not even Russian soldiers were killed.  Chemical weapons development plants were destroyed.  Or, no, important or critical sites were hit.  Blah blah blah.  Who really knows?

    The other thing we hear a lot is how terrible Trump was (or how heroic Trump was) for sending those missiles into Syria.  Really?  I don't think so.  I really don't think the president had much to do with this.  Not that I'm a fan, of course, but I really really doubt it was his call.

    What so we know?  Squat. 
    It was his call. The President either signs off on such an attack or the attack doesn't happen. Was it his idea? Different story and highly doubtful. But it was his call.
    Maybe I'm too cynical, but I can't help but think it was someone else- some general or higher military power- that told Trump what to do.  I don't think Trump has the intelligence, knowledge or interest to engineer a military operation.  His attention is far more focused on grabbing female body parts and playing golf.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    My latest thinking on Syria is this:  We don't really know what's going on.  When the strikes happened, most of us had this feeling of a sickening sense of doom.  I did for awhile.  Here comes World War III.  We're all going to get nuked.  We're all going to die.  (Well, OK, that part is true.)  And then we start getting these reports that say, no, this was just for show.  Or, yay, we showed them!  Lots of people in Syria were killed. Or, no, not even Russian soldiers were killed.  Chemical weapons development plants were destroyed.  Or, no, important or critical sites were hit.  Blah blah blah.  Who really knows?

    The other thing we hear a lot is how terrible Trump was (or how heroic Trump was) for sending those missiles into Syria.  Really?  I don't think so.  I really don't think the president had much to do with this.  Not that I'm a fan, of course, but I really really doubt it was his call.

    What so we know?  Squat. 
    It was his call. The President either signs off on such an attack or the attack doesn't happen. Was it his idea? Different story and highly doubtful. But it was his call.
    Maybe I'm too cynical, but I can't help but think it was someone else- some general or higher military power- that told Trump what to do.  I don't think Trump has the intelligence, knowledge or interest to engineer a military operation.  His attention is far more focused on grabbing female body parts and playing golf.
    I don't care who the president is ... these attacks are planned by the military brass, they more than present the president with their plan, it's up to him ok it plan.  
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  • tbergs
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    polaris_x said:
    my2hands said:
    polaris_x said:
    please people ... there is no proof anywhere that Assad used chemical weapons on his people now nor previously ... i just hope that when the truth actually comes out - people will revisit their viewpoints and the narrative they've been told ... remember general mattis himself said they don't actually have any proof or evidence ...
    https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-executive-council-adopts-decision-regarding-the-opcw-united-nations-joint-investigative-mechanism-reports-about-chemical-weapons-use-in-the-syrian-arab-republic/

    2nd paragraph 

    Took 30 seconds to find it... just one example of several times they've found the Syrian government, as well as ISIS, guilty of using chemicals... 

    Facts.
    the problem here is that the OPCW doesn't investigate blame ... so, the UN sent a team to investigate ... the problem with their report is that ultimately they are reliant on unreliable sources ... and their report was widely contradictory ... they actually didn't visit the site of the attack and actually stated that the crater which the alleged bomb dropped was filled in and unreliable yet they use it as the primary proof that the bomb must've had dropped from above ... also, their primary source of information were groups like the white helmets ... not reliable ...

    https://www.alternet.org/print/grayzone-project/what-really-happened-khan-sheikhoun
    https://www.investigaction.net/en/wmd-in-syria-just-like-iraq-in-2003-contradictions-in-the-unopcw-report-on-khan-shaykhun/
    https://www.rootclaim.com/claims/what-caused-the-chemical-calamity-in-khan-sheikhoun-on-april-4-2017-18448

    i know you're not gonna like the source but read it
    They didn't visit the site because they again weren't allowed. Seems like a reoccurring theme.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/assad-prepares-to-assault-last-rebel-enclave-near-damascus-idUSKBN1HO1JC
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,227
    tbergs said:
    polaris_x said:
    my2hands said:
    polaris_x said:
    please people ... there is no proof anywhere that Assad used chemical weapons on his people now nor previously ... i just hope that when the truth actually comes out - people will revisit their viewpoints and the narrative they've been told ... remember general mattis himself said they don't actually have any proof or evidence ...
    https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-executive-council-adopts-decision-regarding-the-opcw-united-nations-joint-investigative-mechanism-reports-about-chemical-weapons-use-in-the-syrian-arab-republic/

    2nd paragraph 

    Took 30 seconds to find it... just one example of several times they've found the Syrian government, as well as ISIS, guilty of using chemicals... 

    Facts.
    the problem here is that the OPCW doesn't investigate blame ... so, the UN sent a team to investigate ... the problem with their report is that ultimately they are reliant on unreliable sources ... and their report was widely contradictory ... they actually didn't visit the site of the attack and actually stated that the crater which the alleged bomb dropped was filled in and unreliable yet they use it as the primary proof that the bomb must've had dropped from above ... also, their primary source of information were groups like the white helmets ... not reliable ...

    https://www.alternet.org/print/grayzone-project/what-really-happened-khan-sheikhoun
    https://www.investigaction.net/en/wmd-in-syria-just-like-iraq-in-2003-contradictions-in-the-unopcw-report-on-khan-shaykhun/
    https://www.rootclaim.com/claims/what-caused-the-chemical-calamity-in-khan-sheikhoun-on-april-4-2017-18448

    i know you're not gonna like the source but read it
    They didn't visit the site because they again weren't allowed. Seems like a reoccurring theme.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/assad-prepares-to-assault-last-rebel-enclave-near-damascus-idUSKBN1HO1JC
    Seems like they are hiding something. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Assad The Peacemaker and Vladdy Poison My Enemies Putin would never hide anything...

    Except of course for the fact that Syria hid the fact they had chemical weapons previously... other than that,  they seem like stand up leaders, just misunderstood :)
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And there are some on here who put their faith in Team Trump Treason to denuclearize Little Rocket Man, particularly after Team Trump Treason announced air strikes on Syria without consulting with his national security council and military. Just making it up as Treason plays the part.

    Trump to Impose New Sanctions on Russia Over Support for Syria - The New York Times https://apple.news/Ad9HGqsx3TKiHmb8WwGRqbw

    Trump Scraps New Sanctions Against Russia, Overruling Advisers - The New York Times https://apple.news/AWI-NHHhJQu6TLJfhjtFvgQ
     
    ‘I Don’t Get Confused,’ Nikki Haley Says, Rebuffing White House in Sanctions Dispute - The New York Times https://apple.news/AUnlb3t8tTmGTZ12B3z6vlQ
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  • Lizard
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    9/11 was an inside job.
    or vice versa
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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  • bbiggs
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    9/11 was an inside job.
    I’m sure there are several threads on this topic, but given the Assad support here, I’m guessing there are some that believe George W. had the planes flown into the World Trade Center. Or better yet, he pulled it off without planes and they were all smoke and mirrors. 
  • mcgruff10
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    bbiggs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    9/11 was an inside job.
    I’m sure there are several threads on this topic, but given the Assad support here, I’m guessing there are some that believe George W. had the planes flown into the World Trade Center. Or better yet, he pulled it off without planes and they were all smoke and mirrors. 
    Everything was faked that day. NYC doesn’t even exist. 
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Not sure where this belongs?


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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Not sure where this belongs?


    Interesting. Russia also denied having troops in Ukraine, which was a lie.

    Those Russians who don't play by Putin's rules sure like to fall out of buildings.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Not sure where this belongs?


    That’s that free and independead press some on here know and love.
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  • brianlux
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    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    My latest thinking on Syria is this:  We don't really know what's going on.  When the strikes happened, most of us had this feeling of a sickening sense of doom.  I did for awhile.  Here comes World War III.  We're all going to get nuked.  We're all going to die.  (Well, OK, that part is true.)  And then we start getting these reports that say, no, this was just for show.  Or, yay, we showed them!  Lots of people in Syria were killed. Or, no, not even Russian soldiers were killed.  Chemical weapons development plants were destroyed.  Or, no, important or critical sites were hit.  Blah blah blah.  Who really knows?

    The other thing we hear a lot is how terrible Trump was (or how heroic Trump was) for sending those missiles into Syria.  Really?  I don't think so.  I really don't think the president had much to do with this.  Not that I'm a fan, of course, but I really really doubt it was his call.

    What so we know?  Squat. 
    It was his call. The President either signs off on such an attack or the attack doesn't happen. Was it his idea? Different story and highly doubtful. But it was his call.
    Maybe I'm too cynical, but I can't help but think it was someone else- some general or higher military power- that told Trump what to do.  I don't think Trump has the intelligence, knowledge or interest to engineer a military operation.  His attention is far more focused on grabbing female body parts and playing golf.
    I don't care who the president is ... these attacks are planned by the military brass, they more than present the president with their plan, it's up to him ok it plan.  
    True, BUT, give the man a copy of Hustler, promise to add points to his handicap and add one more round of 18 a week, hand him a pen and slide the paper under his nose- honest to god, I can picture it working that way.
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  • JC29856
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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics/us-syria-strike-sarin-certainty/index.html

    US struck Syria without certainty on sarin

    From the link..."The US did have an analysis of test samples that suggested the presence of chlorine and sarin, but officials told CNN the US was not able to obtain samples directly from the scene and ensure a strict chain of custody to conduct its own testing. There were samples that had been smuggled out, but the US intelligence community did not have solid intelligence on where the material came from and whose hands it was in the entire time, officials said."

    Translation of likely scenario... test samples were conducted by having members of white helmets piss in two gatorade bottles, standard liquid bleach was added to the first gatorade piss bottle, glyphosate or round up was added to the second gatorade piss bottle and then the bottles were sent off to the US with the help of Bilal Abdul Kareem and Cindy McCain.

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,252
    JC29856 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics/us-syria-strike-sarin-certainty/index.html

    US struck Syria without certainty on sarin

    From the link..."The US did have an analysis of test samples that suggested the presence of chlorine and sarin, but officials told CNN the US was not able to obtain samples directly from the scene and ensure a strict chain of custody to conduct its own testing. There were samples that had been smuggled out, but the US intelligence community did not have solid intelligence on where the material came from and whose hands it was in the entire time, officials said."

    Translation of likely scenario... test samples were conducted by having members of white helmets piss in two gatorade bottles, standard liquid bleach was added to the first gatorade piss bottle, glyphosate or round up was added to the second gatorade piss bottle and then the bottles were sent off to the US with the help of Bilal Abdul Kareem and Cindy McCain.

    Wow, you should write for the Late Show. If you get sick of connecting dots.
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  • polaris_x
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    a great indictment of the british media ... this guy is not pro assad ... he simply questions why both sides of the reporting are not happening ... especially when a well respected journalist who actually went to douma is reporting it ... i will note that this guy clearly doesn't know that "western" journalists have been reporting on the ground in syria for some time ... just not the corporate media ... those who have in the corporate media have been embedded with terrorists ...

    https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-04-18/fisk-puts-to-test-the-free-press-myth-in-douma/

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    why would they lie? 



    also note that the former chair of Baes systems (UK arms dealer) was on the board of the BBC ...

  • JC29856
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics/us-syria-strike-sarin-certainty/index.html

    US struck Syria without certainty on sarin

    From the link..."The US did have an analysis of test samples that suggested the presence of chlorine and sarin, but officials told CNN the US was not able to obtain samples directly from the scene and ensure a strict chain of custody to conduct its own testing. There were samples that had been smuggled out, but the US intelligence community did not have solid intelligence on where the material came from and whose hands it was in the entire time, officials said."

    Translation of likely scenario... test samples were conducted by having members of white helmets piss in two gatorade bottles, standard liquid bleach was added to the first gatorade piss bottle, glyphosate or round up was added to the second gatorade piss bottle and then the bottles were sent off to the US with the help of Bilal Abdul Kareem and Cindy McCain.

    Wow, you should write for the Late Show. If you get sick of connecting dots.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    google organ harvesting syria isis ... these are the people us so called "assad apologists" are fighting ... 
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