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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,415
    This is so corrupt and crazy it's unbelievable, but then I realized it's Alabama. Note to self, never visit Alabama. This sheriff should go to jail.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgb3S9Brej0
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    tbergs said:
    This is so corrupt and crazy it's unbelievable, but then I realized it's Alabama. Note to self, never visit Alabama. This sheriff should go to jail.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgb3S9Brej0
    I’m all for shortening food budgets, but then put that money into the school district or rehab programs for prisoners when they get out or something. No way should he be allowed to keep it
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,415
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    This is so corrupt and crazy it's unbelievable, but then I realized it's Alabama. Note to self, never visit Alabama. This sheriff should go to jail.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgb3S9Brej0
    I’m all for shortening food budgets, but then put that money into the school district or rehab programs for prisoners when they get out or something. No way should he be allowed to keep it
    Definitely. It's crazy that shit like this can and still does happen. This guy is a piece of shit who is scamming the system. I would be interested in seeing how many other sheriff's in Alabama are doing the same thing because you know he has told all of his buddies when they have seminars and conferences. This from the state who gave us Roy Moore. The entire population should be outraged by this.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Nice job Sacramento police.  Fuckin up again.  This time a hit and run?  Dude who did it needs to be in jail.

    https://theundefeated.com/features/hours-after-matt-barnes-hosts-peaceful-rally-for-stephon-clark-in-sacramento-sheriffs-department-car-hits-protester/

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,415
    I read that story, but hadn't watched the video. I was hoping it was some sort of accident where they may not have known they made impact, but that definitely does not seem to be the case. I will say that walking in front of a squad with full lights on is stupid no matter how fast it is moving. It doesn't mean you should be hit, but there are risks involved and it is not completely clear from that little video what happened directly after that, which may have been the reason no officers stayed on the scene. I read a report that the police are claiming the rear window of that squad was broken out and there is minor damage to it as well from "vandals". Hopefully some more video and specific details about the encounter can clarify what happened.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-stephon-clark-vigil-sacramento-20180331-story.html

    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528

    A second squad car did the hit and run.  Allegedly.


    Per the video, the sheriff’s deputy said, “Back away from my vehicle” four times as he incrementally began to move the car. Approximately 30 people were around the first vehicle when it started to pull off. Cleveland, hearing the command and dealing with arthritis in her knees that was causing her pain, started making her way to the curb in accordance with the deputy’s demands.

    As she was attempting to reach the sidewalk, a second sheriff’s vehicle sped up unexpectedly, Cleveland said, and hit her in the knee, which sent her airborne and into the curb.


  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    A BETRAYAL

    The teenager told police all about his gang, MS-13. In return, he was slated for deportation and marked for death.

    https://features.propublica.org/ms-13/a-betrayal-ms13-gang-police-fbi-ice-deportation/

    Sad story.
  • dignin said:

    A BETRAYAL

    The teenager told police all about his gang, MS-13. In return, he was slated for deportation and marked for death.

    https://features.propublica.org/ms-13/a-betrayal-ms13-gang-police-fbi-ice-deportation/

    Sad story.

    A tough situation for all.

    I don't blame the US at all for wanting to rid itself of MS-13 activity. The problem here, obviously, is that they used the kid and disregarded him after attaining their information. This doesn't bode well for future 'deals'.

    As for the kid himself... eesh. If we take the story at face value (because sometimes there is more to the story), the kid never really had a chance at any point: he was doomed to become a member and doomed trying to leave the organization regardless of what he wanted for himself.

    His story is likely a common one.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    dignin said:

    A BETRAYAL

    The teenager told police all about his gang, MS-13. In return, he was slated for deportation and marked for death.

    https://features.propublica.org/ms-13/a-betrayal-ms13-gang-police-fbi-ice-deportation/

    Sad story.

    A tough situation for all.

    I don't blame the US at all for wanting to rid itself of MS-13 activity. The problem here, obviously, is that they used the kid and disregarded him after attaining their information. This doesn't bode well for future 'deals'.

    As for the kid himself... eesh. If we take the story at face value (because sometimes there is more to the story), the kid never really had a chance at any point: he was doomed to become a member and doomed trying to leave the organization regardless of what he wanted for himself.

    His story is likely a common one.
    Yeah, It's a pretty fucked up situation.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,684
    dignin said:
    dignin said:

    A BETRAYAL

    The teenager told police all about his gang, MS-13. In return, he was slated for deportation and marked for death.

    https://features.propublica.org/ms-13/a-betrayal-ms13-gang-police-fbi-ice-deportation/

    Sad story.

    A tough situation for all.

    I don't blame the US at all for wanting to rid itself of MS-13 activity. The problem here, obviously, is that they used the kid and disregarded him after attaining their information. This doesn't bode well for future 'deals'.

    As for the kid himself... eesh. If we take the story at face value (because sometimes there is more to the story), the kid never really had a chance at any point: he was doomed to become a member and doomed trying to leave the organization regardless of what he wanted for himself.

    His story is likely a common one.
    Yeah, It's a pretty fucked up situation.
    What a brutal life it kills me to think that these teen kids end up with this kind of choices , Man is truly evil this can’t be denied !
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  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    dignin said:
    dignin said:

    A BETRAYAL

    The teenager told police all about his gang, MS-13. In return, he was slated for deportation and marked for death.

    https://features.propublica.org/ms-13/a-betrayal-ms13-gang-police-fbi-ice-deportation/

    Sad story.

    A tough situation for all.

    I don't blame the US at all for wanting to rid itself of MS-13 activity. The problem here, obviously, is that they used the kid and disregarded him after attaining their information. This doesn't bode well for future 'deals'.

    As for the kid himself... eesh. If we take the story at face value (because sometimes there is more to the story), the kid never really had a chance at any point: he was doomed to become a member and doomed trying to leave the organization regardless of what he wanted for himself.

    His story is likely a common one.
    Yeah, It's a pretty fucked up situation.
    What a brutal life it kills me to think that these teen kids end up with this kind of choices , Man is truly evil this can’t be denied !


    terrible story. he was fucked from the start. and now he is really fucked.

    hopefully some gang members will get that Narc that turned him in.

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited April 2018
    Finally an officer is charged for the vicious beating of a "suspect", whose crime was jaywalking. The officer in question resigned earlier this year before he could be fired, and now faces charges of assault. Can't wait to see all those instances of white police officers beating white jaywalkers that I'm sure exist.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/newly-released-videos-asheville-north-carolina-police-beating-black-man-jaywalking.html
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Jaywalking. :weary: It’s the middle of the night and I saw maybe 7 cars in all three of the videos. Pock-mark zit-faced prick was just out looking for a reason to be an asshole. Yeah, it was stupid of Rush to run, but he never should have been stopped in the first place.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Finally an officer is charged for the vicious beating of a "suspect", whose crime was jaywalking. The officer in question resigned earlier this year before he could be fired, and now faces charges of assault. Can't wait to see all those instances of white police officers beating white jaywalkers that I'm sure exist.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/newly-released-videos-asheville-north-carolina-police-beating-black-man-jaywalking.html
    Absolutely disgusting.
  • dignin said:
    Finally an officer is charged for the vicious beating of a "suspect", whose crime was jaywalking. The officer in question resigned earlier this year before he could be fired, and now faces charges of assault. Can't wait to see all those instances of white police officers beating white jaywalkers that I'm sure exist.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/newly-released-videos-asheville-north-carolina-police-beating-black-man-jaywalking.html
    Absolutely disgusting.
    The odd thing is that during that video and afterwards... the cop seemed to genuinely feel the suspect had pushed matters to the point where such force was required and necessary. His commentary throughout the video was not remorseful at all. The cop had completely lost perspective.

    The problem started with the bogus jaywalking ticket: why? Why ticket the guy? It's night time... traffic is super light... and the guy is hardly a problem. Is police work there so uninteresting that a jaywalker trying to walk home after work demands four officers of the law at night?

    Obviously, it might have been better to laugh and move on rather than chase the jaywalking suspect down and beat him up. This didn't happen because the cop wouldn't relinquish power. It also would have been better if the guy hadn't run (I maintain that's the last thing to do- it triggers an entirely different set of circumstances and stresses).
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I think that the weight of evidence suggests that oftentimes, black people have every reason to think it might be worth trying to flee police in the US. It's not like it tends to work out all that well if they don't flee. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited April 2018
    I think that the weight of evidence suggests that oftentimes, black people have every reason to think it might be worth trying to flee police in the US. It's not like it tends to work out all that well if they don't flee. 
    I think that statement is part of the problem. Its sort of a domino effect. For every wrongful act we see, there's 1000 encounters that go without incident. But then young black men think exactly what you just said, so more and more begin to flea or resist arrest instead of just letting it play out without incident and it becomes a bigger problem. 
    I'm not defending everything police every do, but to imply "it tends to not work out all that well" is also completely untrue. The encounters that end peacefully out number the violent ones 1000 to 1.
    Before some of you jump down asking for stats and links, I dont have one that gives that exact figure. But with 600,000 police emplyed, about half working the streets, thats 300,000 cops. At any given time about a 1/4 are out there on the street. Each one encounters dozens of people a day, so literally millions of people each day encounter police. And how many end violently due to race? The odds are still greatly in your favor to just cooperate. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Kind of hard to understand the logic in this one.

    A young man (black, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence) is found guilty of felony murder and received a 30 year sentence for it, along with shorter concurrent sentences for theft and burglary. The interesting twist? He didn't kill anyone. One of the people he was with was shot dead by police, and Alabama law allows for a murder charge if someone is engaged in committing a crime with another person that leads to that person's death. Smith was 15 at the time but was tried as an adult, for a crime he didn't commit.

    The officer who killed the other guy (Washington) was cleared of any wrongdoing. The convoluted logic seems to be that the officer who actually killed Washington was justified and thus not guilty of murder, but the guy with him, who didn't shoot anybody, is guilty of Washington's murder, even though he didn't get murdered because it was a justified shooting.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4
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  • Kind of hard to understand the logic in this one.

    A young man (black, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence) is found guilty of felony murder and received a 30 year sentence for it, along with shorter concurrent sentences for theft and burglary. The interesting twist? He didn't kill anyone. One of the people he was with was shot dead by police, and Alabama law allows for a murder charge if someone is engaged in committing a crime with another person that leads to that person's death. Smith was 15 at the time but was tried as an adult, for a crime he didn't commit.

    The officer who killed the other guy (Washington) was cleared of any wrongdoing. The convoluted logic seems to be that the officer who actually killed Washington was justified and thus not guilty of murder, but the guy with him, who didn't shoot anybody, is guilty of Washington's murder, even though he didn't get murdered because it was a justified shooting.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4

    It's too hard to understand because there's no way to understand it.

    I read this story (I was drawn to the 'rejected 25 years and got 65 years' headline thinking some idiot played his hand poorly). To boot... it's not as if they were dealing with a career criminal who the courts have grown weary of. This was a 15 year old stealing stuff with other kids.

    It's obscene.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    Kind of hard to understand the logic in this one.

    A young man (black, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence) is found guilty of felony murder and received a 30 year sentence for it, along with shorter concurrent sentences for theft and burglary. The interesting twist? He didn't kill anyone. One of the people he was with was shot dead by police, and Alabama law allows for a murder charge if someone is engaged in committing a crime with another person that leads to that person's death. Smith was 15 at the time but was tried as an adult, for a crime he didn't commit.

    The officer who killed the other guy (Washington) was cleared of any wrongdoing. The convoluted logic seems to be that the officer who actually killed Washington was justified and thus not guilty of murder, but the guy with him, who didn't shoot anybody, is guilty of Washington's murder, even though he didn't get murdered because it was a justified shooting.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4

    It's too hard to understand because there's no way to understand it.

    I read this story (I was drawn to the 'rejected 25 years and got 65 years' headline thinking some idiot played his hand poorly). To boot... it's not as if they were dealing with a career criminal who the courts have grown weary of. This was a 15 year old stealing stuff with other kids.

    It's obscene.
    A lot of states have that law. If I rob a bank and hold people hostige, if people die in the rescue attempt I would be charged with murder. If you commit a crime and people die as a result, its murder.
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