Police abuse

rgambs

tbergs said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

You believe that unconscious bit?That's an interesting video and a half-assed "I'm unsconcious" job by the suspect, but I call bullshit. The cop's hand doesn't go over his throat or windpipe, it's on the area between the should/neck and being applied to keep him under control. He was resisting the entire time. Speaking from experience, I had someone go as far as pretending they were unconscious to where they made us carry him to the back of the squad and lay him on the seat. He then took it one step further and rolled off the seat on purpose and we had to unwedge him from between the cage and the seat. That's where a sternum rub comes in handy.

I think it was the safest move he could make to protect his life from these assholes.

Maybe if Eric Garner had done some pretending he would still be alive.

rgambs

Resisting the entire time? Are you fucking kidding?
You condone this thug behavior don't you??

I suppose the only proper thing he could have done would be to promptly fall on his own head.

rgambs

tbergs said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

You believe that unconscious bit?That's an interesting video and a half-assed "I'm unsconcious" job by the suspect, but I call bullshit. The cop's hand doesn't go over his throat or windpipe, it's on the area between the should/neck and being applied to keep him under control. He was resisting the entire time. Speaking from experience, I had someone go as far as pretending they were unconscious to where they made us carry him to the back of the squad and lay him on the seat. He then took it one step further and rolled off the seat on purpose and we had to unwedge him from between the cage and the seat. That's where a sternum rub comes in handy.

I don't know if you meant it that way, but this reminds me of muskydan and his fond recollections of "bumpy rides".

Halifax2TheMax

Seems to me Toronto cops have much bigger balls than the average US cop.

drakeheuer14

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

Just saw this. More crazy excessive force. 

Any background to what happened before police involvement? 

rgambs

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

Just saw this. More crazy excessive force. 

Any background to what happened before police involvement? 

I haven't seen any, the police initially declined to provide it and I haven't seen a follow-up.

rgambs

I don't find it to be relevant at all.

mace1229

rgambs said:

tbergs said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

You believe that unconscious bit?That's an interesting video and a half-assed "I'm unsconcious" job by the suspect, but I call bullshit. The cop's hand doesn't go over his throat or windpipe, it's on the area between the should/neck and being applied to keep him under control. He was resisting the entire time. Speaking from experience, I had someone go as far as pretending they were unconscious to where they made us carry him to the back of the squad and lay him on the seat. He then took it one step further and rolled off the seat on purpose and we had to unwedge him from between the cage and the seat. That's where a sternum rub comes in handy.

I think it was the safest move he could make to protect his life from these assholes.

Maybe if Eric Garner had done some pretending he would still be alive.

Eric Garner died of a heart attack. The media liked the hype of reporting it as being choked though.

rgambs

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

tbergs said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

You believe that unconscious bit?That's an interesting video and a half-assed "I'm unsconcious" job by the suspect, but I call bullshit. The cop's hand doesn't go over his throat or windpipe, it's on the area between the should/neck and being applied to keep him under control. He was resisting the entire time. Speaking from experience, I had someone go as far as pretending they were unconscious to where they made us carry him to the back of the squad and lay him on the seat. He then took it one step further and rolled off the seat on purpose and we had to unwedge him from between the cage and the seat. That's where a sternum rub comes in handy.

I think it was the safest move he could make to protect his life from these assholes.

Maybe if Eric Garner had done some pretending he would still be alive.

Eric Garner died of a heart attack. The media liked the hype of reporting it as being choked though.

I never heard it reported as choked to death.  I always heard it reported accurately as heart attack due to chokehold.

mace1229

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

This impartial video does nothing for me. If I had the rest of the story I could form an opinion on this incident. But I have no idea of the cops were called because he was a violent threat and refused orders to lay on the ground, or if he was just J-walking. One case I’d say it’s justified and the other the cops should be fired and looked into for assault.

rgambs

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

This impartial video does nothing for me. If I had the rest of the story I could form an opinion on this incident. But I have no idea of the cops were called because he was a violent threat and refused orders to lay on the ground, or if he was just J-walking. One case I’d say it’s justified and the other the cops should be fired and looked into for assault.

He was handcuffed and presenting no reasonable semblance of a threat.  What else matters?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

tbergs said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

You believe that unconscious bit?That's an interesting video and a half-assed "I'm unsconcious" job by the suspect, but I call bullshit. The cop's hand doesn't go over his throat or windpipe, it's on the area between the should/neck and being applied to keep him under control. He was resisting the entire time. Speaking from experience, I had someone go as far as pretending they were unconscious to where they made us carry him to the back of the squad and lay him on the seat. He then took it one step further and rolled off the seat on purpose and we had to unwedge him from between the cage and the seat. That's where a sternum rub comes in handy.

I think it was the safest move he could make to protect his life from these assholes.

Maybe if Eric Garner had done some pretending he would still be alive.

Eric Garner died of a heart attack. The media liked the hype of reporting it as being choked though.

I never heard it reported as choked to death.  I always heard it reported accurately as heart attack due to chokehold.

Heart attack due to chokehold? I never realized the chokehold was one of the risk factors for a heart attack.

As for the recent video you posted... I'd like to see a bit of context as well. It looks bad, but some context might help.

Police need to be reasonable, but I'm hoping people here aren't expecting police to treat criminals like kindergarten children that need timeouts.

mace1229

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

This impartial video does nothing for me. If I had the rest of the story I could form an opinion on this incident. But I have no idea of the cops were called because he was a violent threat and refused orders to lay on the ground, or if he was just J-walking. One case I’d say it’s justified and the other the cops should be fired and looked into for assault.

He was handcuffed and presenting no reasonable semblance of a threat.  What else matters?

I just need more. I can’t defend or condemn what the cops did without knowing more. There would be circumstances where what the cops did was justified, and many where it was not. I’m just not a fan of partial videos without any story and creating a judgement from that.

Halifax2TheMax

Do you need more than Randy Paul endorsing Team Trump Treason after Randstanding to send an American to Saudi Arabia, to I guess be tortured, put on trial or imprisoned? Talk about police abuse? Geeze, I guess our system of justice doesn’t work for everyone? Only “THEY” go free. Putin on the ritz got a go fund me site going yet?

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

tbergs said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

You believe that unconscious bit?That's an interesting video and a half-assed "I'm unsconcious" job by the suspect, but I call bullshit. The cop's hand doesn't go over his throat or windpipe, it's on the area between the should/neck and being applied to keep him under control. He was resisting the entire time. Speaking from experience, I had someone go as far as pretending they were unconscious to where they made us carry him to the back of the squad and lay him on the seat. He then took it one step further and rolled off the seat on purpose and we had to unwedge him from between the cage and the seat. That's where a sternum rub comes in handy.

I think it was the safest move he could make to protect his life from these assholes.

Maybe if Eric Garner had done some pretending he would still be alive.

Eric Garner died of a heart attack. The media liked the hype of reporting it as being choked though.

I never heard it reported as choked to death.  I always heard it reported accurately as heart attack due to chokehold.

Heart attack due to chokehold? I never realized the chokehold was one of the risk factors for a heart attack.

As for the recent video you posted... I'd like to see a bit of context as well. It looks bad, but some context might help.

Police need to be reasonable, but I'm hoping people here aren't expecting police to treat criminals like kindergarten children that need timeouts.

You are clearly not a medical professional.

I expect police not to be thugs.  You expect them to "rough them up a little" like Trump does.  Sad.

rgambs

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

This impartial video does nothing for me. If I had the rest of the story I could form an opinion on this incident. But I have no idea of the cops were called because he was a violent threat and refused orders to lay on the ground, or if he was just J-walking. One case I’d say it’s justified and the other the cops should be fired and looked into for assault.

He was handcuffed and presenting no reasonable semblance of a threat.  What else matters?

I just need more. I can’t defend or condemn what the cops did without knowing more. There would be circumstances where what the cops did was justified, and many where it was not. I’m just not a fan of partial videos without any story and creating a judgement from that.

What circumstances?  Please explain to me the circumstances that lead to a handcuffed individual who isn't resisting needing to be slammed on their head.  If he was a violent threat he wouldn't have been handcuffed on his feet, he would be on the ground and he would go directly into the cruiser.

rgambs

And, if we are going to split hairs on Eric Garner, the medical examiners report was that it was a homicide due to compression asphyxia.  I only ever heard the police claim heart attack.  I wonder why?

rgambs

ThirtyBills and Trump, like minds?

https://youtu.be/1eVPKpBKGCE

mace1229

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

This impartial video does nothing for me. If I had the rest of the story I could form an opinion on this incident. But I have no idea of the cops were called because he was a violent threat and refused orders to lay on the ground, or if he was just J-walking. One case I’d say it’s justified and the other the cops should be fired and looked into for assault.

He was handcuffed and presenting no reasonable semblance of a threat.  What else matters?

I just need more. I can’t defend or condemn what the cops did without knowing more. There would be circumstances where what the cops did was justified, and many where it was not. I’m just not a fan of partial videos without any story and creating a judgement from that.

What circumstances?  Please explain to me the circumstances that lead to a handcuffed individual who isn't resisting needing to be slammed on their head.  If he was a violent threat he wouldn't have been handcuffed on his feet, he would be on the ground and he would go directly into the cruiser.

But we don’t know any of that. Maybe he was handucced on the ground and got up. Who knows what happened. You and I certainly don’t, we’re only given a clip that begins about 2 seconds before he was slammed and nothing that lead up to that, but we’re asked to make judgements anyway.

rgambs

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Just another "rare incident" caught on camera.
https://youtu.be/3iPey_d3ZoY

This impartial video does nothing for me. If I had the rest of the story I could form an opinion on this incident. But I have no idea of the cops were called because he was a violent threat and refused orders to lay on the ground, or if he was just J-walking. One case I’d say it’s justified and the other the cops should be fired and looked into for assault.

He was handcuffed and presenting no reasonable semblance of a threat.  What else matters?

I just need more. I can’t defend or condemn what the cops did without knowing more. There would be circumstances where what the cops did was justified, and many where it was not. I’m just not a fan of partial videos without any story and creating a judgement from that.

What circumstances?  Please explain to me the circumstances that lead to a handcuffed individual who isn't resisting needing to be slammed on their head.  If he was a violent threat he wouldn't have been handcuffed on his feet, he would be on the ground and he would go directly into the cruiser.

But we don’t know any of that. Maybe he was handucced on the ground and got up. Who knows what happened. You and I certainly don’t, we’re only given a clip that begins about 2 seconds before he was slammed and nothing that lead up to that, but we’re asked to make judgements anyway.

Quite the burden of proof you are laying on a citizen with the right to due process.  
It comes off like desperation, just dying to find a way to excuse the behavior and then copping out with a refusal to pass judgement when that fails.

I'm willing to admit there are extremely unlikely circumstances that warranted this use of force, but those circumstances could only arise from poor police work.  If he was a violent threat he should have been handled properly, but that's quite a stretch given that he wasn't charged with any crime that occurred prior to his confrontation with police.  Every sign points to police who felt disrespected and sought to put this black man in his place.  Classic story supported by the available facts and any other concoction is a stretch that shows bias.