Do you know a murderer?!

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

SVRDhand13 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

Sounds like self defense to me.  

Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
Take your ass kicking.
Bring your friends
Call the police
Even bring a bat.
Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)

Interesting. I actually think that carrying a weapon because you have been threatened with a phyisical attack of any kind is perfectly reasonable. This is actually one of the few instances when I think carrying a concealed firearm is justified. I don't think that "just being afraid of getting beaten up with someone's fists" negates a person's right to defend themselves with a weapon. I know that if I was actually being legitimately threatened like that I would definitely want to carry a weapon with me until the threat was over, and it would be a weapon that could kill the person, i.e. a sharp object that I would try to stick into the person's jugular vein if they tried to attack me. To me, that would absolutely be justified self-defense.

is there such a thing as premeditated self defence? if there was, this would be it. 

Huh? Premeditated self-defense? ... I guess.... what other kind of self-defense is there when you're being specifically threatened by someone? I think someone who is being threatened with violence and doesn't take precautions to defend themselves against such threats is a fool.

I mean because it's not just protection,  you actually have a plan in place to kill the person, which isn't necessary if you are just being beaten up. 

i had some bullies when I was growing up who constantly threatened my physical being......never crossed my mind to carry a lethal weapon. 

F Me In The Brain said:

Yeah sorry to jump the thread to another place.
I know (and see here) many will disagree but hold my opinion that carrying a weapon because you are afraid to get beaten up and then using that weapon to cause a death is not OK. 
Carrying a gun because you are afraid of being punched is, to me, a big part of what is wrong with things today. 
The only reason to carry a gun is the intent to use it. 
I never want to kill a person -- and I surely wouldn't want to take a person's life to avoid an ass kicking.  (Although I very much would like to avoid ever having my ass kicked again.  It is unpleasant.)

I once fought in grade school. I was in such a rage I blacked out and don't remember it. Not that I consider myself tough, but it scared me what could have happened. Vowed never to fight again, and I haven't. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Yeah sorry to jump the thread to another place.
I know (and see here) many will disagree but hold my opinion that carrying a weapon because you are afraid to get beaten up and then using that weapon to cause a death is not OK. 
Carrying a gun because you are afraid of being punched is, to me, a big part of what is wrong with things today. 
The only reason to carry a gun is the intent to use it. 
I never want to kill a person -- and I surely wouldn't want to take a person's life to avoid an ass kicking.  (Although I very much would like to avoid ever having my ass kicked again.  It is unpleasant.)

I once fought in grade school. I was in such a rage I blacked out and don't remember it. Not that I consider myself tough, but it scared me what could have happened. Vowed never to fight again, and I haven't. 

I have not fought in years and I never (ever) want to again. 
I am neither big, nor tough.
I drank and ran my mouth a lot when younger.  A lot.  (Of both)  This eventually leads to things. 
A random assault is different than carrying a weapon to stop from being punched.

You know someone wants to beat you.
We get hit, we hit.  Some things can break.
Such is life.
To me, ending another human being's life would never be worth saving myself some pain. 

even flow - question mark said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even flow - question mark said:

As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.

the guy died?

Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife.

Sorry that happened to your friend.  Did he go to jail for it or did they call it self defense?

even flow - question mark said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even flow - question mark said:

As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.

the guy died?

Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife. After reading the rest of the thread, I'll clear things up a bit. He just didn't get beat up once. It was an ongoing thing. When somebody comes to your work, it is a problem. The cops knew full well about this happening. The clown didn't care. So he got his come up comeuppance. My buddy was charged with murder. That was the original charge. Ended up with a very slight man slaughter charge and did some time. For this thread I figured if you knew somebody who stabbed someone else to death. That would constitute knowing a murderer. What do I know.

Sounds like your friend performed a public service. Sorry he got jacked for it. I have no problem with violent assholes prematurely meeting their maker. Your buddy probably should have had a better lawyer.

And back on the topic, a woman I was good friends with married a merchant marine. He was a crazy Guatemalan who I'd hung out with a few times. He was home after being away for months, and the woman's sister and brother-in-law were over at their place for dinner. The husband was drinking, got into an argument with the brother-in-law, grabbed a steak knife and drove it through the brother-in-law's heart and killed him, and took off. The woman called me in a panic and I went over there to see how she was doing. I knocked on the door, which was immediately pulled open and I was face to face with 2 cops who had guns pointed at me. About shit my pants. They told me to leave, and that they were still looking for the guy. They eventually found him, and sent him to prison. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

even flow - question mark said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even flow - question mark said:

As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.

the guy died?

Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife. After reading the rest of the thread, I'll clear things up a bit. He just didn't get beat up once. It was an ongoing thing. When somebody comes to your work, it is a problem. The cops knew full well about this happening. The clown didn't care. So he got his come up comeuppance. My buddy was charged with murder. That was the original charge. Ended up with a very slight man slaughter charge and did some time. For this thread I figured if you knew somebody who stabbed someone else to death. That would constitute knowing a murderer. What do I know.

Sounds like your friend performed a public service. Sorry he got jacked for it. I have no problem with violent assholes prematurely meeting their maker. Your buddy probably should have had a better lawyer.

And back on the topic, a woman I was good friends with married a merchant marine. He was a crazy Guatemalan who I'd hung out with a few times. He was home after being away for months, and the woman's sister and brother-in-law were over at their place for dinner. The husband was drinking, got into an argument with the brother-in-law, grabbed a steak knife and drove it through the brother-in-law's heart and killed him, and took off. The woman called me in a panic and I went over there to see how she was doing. I knocked on the door, which was immediately pulled open and I was face to face with 2 cops who had guns pointed at me. About shit my pants. They told me to leave, and that they were still looking for the guy. They eventually found him, and sent him to prison. 

yikes. one of the bullies I dealt with in high school I saw years later at the bar. He came up to me and apologized and told me how embarrased he was for all the shit he had done in those years. Glad no one saw fit to "perform a public service". 

Well, I'm not advocating vigilantism, and hunting him down. But this dude apparently had a pattern of violent behavior toward the victim, and the victim did a reasonable thing and defended himself. The next beating he took could have resulted in his death. So I believe the victim did perform a public service and stopped that piece of shit before he continued to escalate and/or move on to his next victim. I'm glad the bully/asshole you encountered turned things around. But if he had committed repeated violence on the wrong guy and paid the ultimate price, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

even flow - question mark said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even flow - question mark said:

As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.

the guy died?

Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife. After reading the rest of the thread, I'll clear things up a bit. He just didn't get beat up once. It was an ongoing thing. When somebody comes to your work, it is a problem. The cops knew full well about this happening. The clown didn't care. So he got his come up comeuppance. My buddy was charged with murder. That was the original charge. Ended up with a very slight man slaughter charge and did some time. For this thread I figured if you knew somebody who stabbed someone else to death. That would constitute knowing a murderer. What do I know.

Sounds like your friend performed a public service. Sorry he got jacked for it. I have no problem with violent assholes prematurely meeting their maker. Your buddy probably should have had a better lawyer.

And back on the topic, a woman I was good friends with married a merchant marine. He was a crazy Guatemalan who I'd hung out with a few times. He was home after being away for months, and the woman's sister and brother-in-law were over at their place for dinner. The husband was drinking, got into an argument with the brother-in-law, grabbed a steak knife and drove it through the brother-in-law's heart and killed him, and took off. The woman called me in a panic and I went over there to see how she was doing. I knocked on the door, which was immediately pulled open and I was face to face with 2 cops who had guns pointed at me. About shit my pants. They told me to leave, and that they were still looking for the guy. They eventually found him, and sent him to prison. 

yikes. one of the bullies I dealt with in high school I saw years later at the bar. He came up to me and apologized and told me how embarrased he was for all the shit he had done in those years. Glad no one saw fit to "perform a public service". 

Well, I'm not advocating vigilantism, and hunting him down. But this dude apparently had a pattern of violent behavior toward the victim, and the victim did a reasonable thing and defended himself. The next beating he took could have resulted in his death. So I believe the victim did perform a public service and stopped that piece of shit before he continued to escalate and/or move on to his next victim. I'm glad the bully/asshole you encountered turned things around. But if he had committed repeated violence on the wrong guy and paid the ultimate price, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

I don't believe you solve someone being a bully by killing them.  Life should be more precious to us all than that.  (Just what I think)

I still find it crazy that so many people here (myself included) know someone that either murdered or tried to murder.  Pretty sad, really.

jeffbr said:

F Me In The Brain said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

even flow - question mark said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even flow - question mark said:

As high school was ending a buddy of mine started dating this girl. Her old boyfriend had control and anger issues and would seek my buddy out, and give him a beating with his friends. Wellllll, my friend started carrying a knife and one day (lo and behold) this asshat happened to fall on it. End of beatings. End of story.

the guy died?

Yes the guy died. I put it nicely saying that after all the beatings the guy "fell" on the knife. After reading the rest of the thread, I'll clear things up a bit. He just didn't get beat up once. It was an ongoing thing. When somebody comes to your work, it is a problem. The cops knew full well about this happening. The clown didn't care. So he got his come up comeuppance. My buddy was charged with murder. That was the original charge. Ended up with a very slight man slaughter charge and did some time. For this thread I figured if you knew somebody who stabbed someone else to death. That would constitute knowing a murderer. What do I know.

Sounds like your friend performed a public service. Sorry he got jacked for it. I have no problem with violent assholes prematurely meeting their maker. Your buddy probably should have had a better lawyer.

And back on the topic, a woman I was good friends with married a merchant marine. He was a crazy Guatemalan who I'd hung out with a few times. He was home after being away for months, and the woman's sister and brother-in-law were over at their place for dinner. The husband was drinking, got into an argument with the brother-in-law, grabbed a steak knife and drove it through the brother-in-law's heart and killed him, and took off. The woman called me in a panic and I went over there to see how she was doing. I knocked on the door, which was immediately pulled open and I was face to face with 2 cops who had guns pointed at me. About shit my pants. They told me to leave, and that they were still looking for the guy. They eventually found him, and sent him to prison. 

yikes. one of the bullies I dealt with in high school I saw years later at the bar. He came up to me and apologized and told me how embarrased he was for all the shit he had done in those years. Glad no one saw fit to "perform a public service". 

Well, I'm not advocating vigilantism, and hunting him down. But this dude apparently had a pattern of violent behavior toward the victim, and the victim did a reasonable thing and defended himself. The next beating he took could have resulted in his death. So I believe the victim did perform a public service and stopped that piece of shit before he continued to escalate and/or move on to his next victim. I'm glad the bully/asshole you encountered turned things around. But if he had committed repeated violence on the wrong guy and paid the ultimate price, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

I don't believe you solve someone being a bully by killing them.  Life should be more precious to us all than that.  (Just what I think)

I still find it crazy that so many people here (myself included) know someone that either murdered or tried to murder.  Pretty sad, really.

Agree that too many people here seem to know someone involved in a murder. That is actually a bit horrifying. And I understand what you're saying. I am just jaded, and don't see the sanctity of all human life anymore. I think some people are just taking up space and oxygen and that the world is a better place without them. But I don't see myself as the arbiter or person who should make that call. So unless I'm in fear for my life or the life of a family member, I am not going to be involved in any violence of any kind. At the same time, I will also not be able to muster up an ounce of sympathy or compassion when violent bullies and criminals reap what they sow. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I see what you are saying. I don't lose a wink of sleep if I hear a drug dealer got shot or a gang member got his brains blown out. 

Poncier said:

dankind said:

Poncier said:

dankind said:

My mother thought that she might’ve killed a person once in the mid-1970s. She didn’t really care to know at the time whether or not she had killed the person. It was a fight AND flight situation.

I think she found out later that the person was still alive. I’ve never checked it out, though. Not really my concern. 

Shouldn't you be concerned about whether your Dad is alive?

Concerned about you, buddy. How are you and yours holding up down your way?

I would say your decision to buy in Swampscott vs. Marshfield was a good one, at least this week. Lost power last weekend, crawl space flooded as pump didn't run, ended up burning out the blower motor on the furnace, just got that replaced this morning, so finally seem to be back in the 21st century.
Lots of folks in other areas of town and of course surrounding towns had it a lot worse.
Back in January was first time I'd seen flooding like we had in my neighborhood in the 12 years we've lived there (and power stayed on so I had no real issues then, just a bit scary when the house was attached by seawater from 3 directions), neighbors said only other times were '78 and '91, so figured I was good for 15-20 years...nope, 8 weeks.
How did you fare, a lot of snow yesterday up there.

We're pretty lucky. We only lost power for four hours. But during that time, I lamented being a cheapskate and not coughing up the extra grand for a battery backup on the sump pump.

Thread integrity: I know you were joking, but the person my mother thought she had possibly killed was my stepfather at the time. I even had the guy's surname until I was 23 years old. Never knew him, but his name is on my birth certificate.

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

SVRDhand13 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Yeah I thought that was kind of a weird post as well.  You buddy killed a guy so he didnt get his ass kicked?

Sounds like self defense to me.  

Not to derail on a debate about what constitutes murder but if you think someone is going to punch you around and you bring a knife, and he dies?  To me, that is murder. 
Take your ass kicking.
Bring your friends
Call the police
Even bring a bat.
Whatever...but carrying a knife and using it to avoid being punched up is murder, to me, if you stab someone to death.
I have taken a few beatings in my day and they suck.  I am very glad I never stabbed anyone to stop them.
That is me, though.  I totally recognize others might feel differently and I am fully aware that society these days looks at an ass kicking as something totally different than it did 25 years ago.

Btw, I do think it is awful that some asswipe chased the guy and beat him up because he was jealous...clearly that is wrong and the guy deserved a beating or punishment for it.  (I just dont think he deserved death.)

not murder. murder requires some type of intent. protection is not intent. manslaughter at best.

Agreed. Although I hate violence but if I was on that jury, I’d call it self defense. You can’t just torture someone and get away with it.