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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 12,535
    Jesus christ. The fucking stupidity of the shit that comes out of some people's mouths (or fingers).

    I really can't take it anymore.
  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,217
    The Moving Train should say,
    (Safe Space for Lefties Only)
    Do Not Disturb.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,162
    RYME said:
    The Moving Train should say,
    (Safe Space for Lefties Only)
    Do Not Disturb.
    It would be more accurate to say that it's not an echo chamber for the ignorant or intolerant. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,062
    RYME said:
    The Moving Train should say,
    (Safe Space for Lefties Only)
    Do Not Disturb.
    right on cue. 
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,245
    RYME said:
    The Moving Train should say,
    (Safe Space for Lefties Only)
    Do Not Disturb.
    Don't blame the community here for asking for substance behind your comments. 

    First, recognize that a person's reception (good or bad) to an idea is just math: for each component of an idea, in a person's mind it is judged by how closely it agrees with his or her own bias, how significant the component is to them, and how informed they believe themselves to be on the context-gathering. When summed subconsciously, this produces a binary 'goodness' of the idea. 

    Now apply that to the following:

    1. There is a misunderstanding about what standing for the flag/anthem is for.
    Standing for the flag/anthem can have numerous meanings, including a broad spectrum from genuinely good (love and gratitude towards country) to disingenuously bad (undue thought control to promote unpopular and potentially unethical militaristic actions). Simply put, if you think the cost to society of this behaviour outweighs the benefit to society, you will not partake in standing for the flag and anthem. 

    2. People fit into one of two categories - those who value small government, freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; or people who value big government and a highly controlled life.
    Big government and the pursuit of happiness aren't mutually exclusive, nor are small government and the possession of control, nor are the pursuit of happiness and anything whatsoever (for example, if the source of my happiness is my personal adherence to principles, my happiness can be pursued regardless of whether a government even exists). 

    3. The election outcome is a byproduct of the rejection of socialism.
    Of all of the reasons that people vote, it is an egregious assumption to make that hundreds of millions of people are single-issue voters on this particular topic. If socialistic tendencies are the only differences you see between Barack Obama and Donald Trump, you need to look harder. There are significant policy differences that either don't involve socialistic tendencies from either Trump or Obama, or involve socialistic tendencies but also contain other differences (in which case you can't assume that the voters are voting based on the word socialism). 


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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,319
    dignin said:
    Very cool and well deserved, I say.
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 2,150
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 44,180
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    Wow... that last part is nuts.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,059
    PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    Wow... that last part is nuts.
    Yeah. And that’s not the divide, the divide is from people actually thinking this is the divide, if that makes sense. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 44,180
    RYME said:
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.
    Ignoring everything else here, why would Obama never have done garden chores? He grew up with a single mom, went to public school, and lived a normal middle class life for years.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,062
    PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    Wow... that last part is nuts.
    Yeah. And that’s not the divide, the divide is from people actually thinking this is the divide, if that makes sense. 
    I was going to say the exact same thing Beaves. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,062
    PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.
    Ignoring everything else here, why would Obama never have done garden chores? He grew up with a single mom, went to public school, and lived a normal middle class life for years.
    the misconceptions and free distribution of absolute horseshit in today's day is staggering. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,618
    What a bunch of bullshit.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,162
    Idiocy.
    Image result for all 32 nfl owners
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,227
    I don't think there's an issue that better shines a light on the irony of who scream "snowflakes" vs. who actually are snowflakes.  
    1995 Milwaukee
    1998 Alpine, Alpine
    2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston
    2004 Boston, Boston
    2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty)
    2011 Alpine, Alpine
    2013 Wrigley
    2014 St. Paul
    2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley
    2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,227
    PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.
    Ignoring everything else here, why would Obama never have done garden chores? He grew up with a single mom, went to public school, and lived a normal middle class life for years.
    He grew up to become an arugula-eating elitist.  He's eaten enough arugula to have erased all memories of doing chores.
    1995 Milwaukee
    1998 Alpine, Alpine
    2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston
    2004 Boston, Boston
    2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty)
    2011 Alpine, Alpine
    2013 Wrigley
    2014 St. Paul
    2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley
    2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,618
    OnWis97 said:
    I don't think there's an issue that better shines a light on the irony of who scream "snowflakes" vs. who actually are snowflakes.  
    Yup. It's right up there.

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,062
    OnWis97 said:
    I don't think there's an issue that better shines a light on the irony of who scream "snowflakes" vs. who actually are snowflakes.  
    precisely. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,162
    Ladies and gentlemen, your VP!
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,091
    Yay! Nothing screams patriotism or nationalism like being obligated to stand during the anthem or suffer consequences. Ugh.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 2,772
    New NFL rules:
    1. Toilets will be locked and chained shut 10 minutes prior to the National Anthem.
    2. Concession stands will be closed during the anthem.
         The sale of beer and food will be suspended during the anthem.
    3. All ticket holders must be in their seats before the Anthem has commenced.
    4. Those arriving late and missing the Anthem will be refused entry.

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 19,786
    Yeah what a great rule to pass ...
    #fucktheanthem
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,007

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/chris-long-issues-scorching-statement-ripping-nfl-anthem-rule/ar-AAxIlkA?ocid=ientp


    I LOVE me some Chris Long, of my beloved Philadelphia Eagles! I got your back Chris, fuck em

  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 12,535
    tbergs said:
    Idiocy.
    Image result for all 32 nfl owners
    I wonder if she made that sign while wearing her Ray "Stabby" Lewis jersey?  Or was it the Ray "Elevator KO" Rice jersey?
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 14,356
    Todd Heap (of shit) jersey behind.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 15,744
    tbergs said:
    Idiocy.
    Image result for all 32 nfl owners

    Hey... give her some credit... she spelled Baltimore correctly!

    Given her stance, I love the 'peace' sign in the 'a' lol.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,624
    My least favorite part of all of this....the people that claim to hate the government getting involved in everything....telling companies what to do with environmental regulations, etc...well they just bitched and moaned and cheered on their government as they bullied the NFL into this stupid policy.  Way to go!  We want a small government my ass. But of course the government can't make that small business cake shop bake cakes for gay people...that the businesses choice.  Man I hate this crap.  Maybe I'll start sitting during the anthem at games.  Of course that will just get me punched by a drunk guy that doesn;t want the government to tell him what to do...all the while he wants them to tell me what to do.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,062
    My least favorite part of all of this....the people that claim to hate the government getting involved in everything....telling companies what to do with environmental regulations, etc...well they just bitched and moaned and cheered on their government as they bullied the NFL into this stupid policy.  Way to go!  We want a small government my ass. But of course the government can't make that small business cake shop bake cakes for gay people...that the businesses choice.  Man I hate this crap.  Maybe I'll start sitting during the anthem at games.  Of course that will just get me punched by a drunk guy that doesn;t want the government to tell him what to do...all the while he wants them to tell me what to do.
    excellent post. 

    and I will give Trump credit, when asked about it, he said the NFL didn't bow to his will, they bowed to the will of the people, knowing full well the hypocrisy of the right saying "the government should stay out of it"  but then bowing to the president. 
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 12,535
    My least favorite part of all of this....the people that claim to hate the government getting involved in everything....telling companies what to do with environmental regulations, etc...well they just bitched and moaned and cheered on their government as they bullied the NFL into this stupid policy.  Way to go!  We want a small government my ass. But of course the government can't make that small business cake shop bake cakes for gay people...that the businesses choice.  Man I hate this crap.  Maybe I'll start sitting during the anthem at games.  Of course that will just get me punched by a drunk guy that doesn;t want the government to tell him what to do...all the while he wants them to tell me what to do.
    That's Pulitzer material there. Bravo!
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