Why did they boo Eddie?

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Well, considering that Eddie had every right in the world to express his very valid and even verifiable opinion through song under the Constitution, and considering how much damage Bush's war did to America and the world, and considering how it all started on a bed of lies, I think it is actually fairly easy to say who was right in this particular case.

I think everyone agrees the war in Afghanistan was warranted however Iraq was always the one that people argued about. Some people thought we didn't belong there and others thought it was better to fight the terrorists five thousand miles away instead of here while taking out a pretty horrible leader. 
I'm not sure how Bush's war did damage to the world but the overall lesson is, don't mess with the United States.  

It's been 15 years so my memory isn't perfect. Correct me on what I get wrong.
I agree with the Afgahn war, I don't think you could find 2 people in the whole country who didn't want to go to water after 9/11.
What my memory isn't clear on is the Iraq war. The claims of WMD turned out to not be true I agree. What I don't remember is why was that Bush's fault? Wasn't it just bad info? Didn't he go to war thinking there was WMDs, and his department had bad intel?
And I personally don't blame it all on bad intel. Wasn't the UN trying to do an inspection and they were denied? Therefore even further assuming their [bad] intel was accurate? This could have been avoided if Iraq cooperated with the UN for a WMD inspection.
Wasn't Saddam a tyrant who murdered thousands, even tens or hundreds of thousands of his own people for political reasons? It didn't seem like a stretch that he could have WMDs he was willing to use, and to not cooperate with an inspection would all but confirm that to me. I can;t recall any evidence that this WMD thing was made up for the sole purpose to pursue a war in Iraq, possibly further his father's legacy. There's a difference between bad intel and Iraq refusing to cooperate, and forging fake evidence to start a war.
I don't think Bush was a great president. But it just seems like history is writing him down to be a lot worse than he was, as some sort of war hungry modern-day tyrant who intentionally started a war to have his name in history, or revenge his father, depending on who you ask.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Someone help me out here.

9-11 attackers were Saudi Arabian.

Why attack Afghanistan? Yah... I know of the 'training grounds' pitch... but I'm not buying it.

And then why attack Iraq? Yah... I know of the 'weapons of mass destruction' pitch... but that was proven to be unequivocally false (a massive lie).

The motives were sinister and criminal. Leaders have been imprisoned for less.

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Someone help me out here.

9-11 attackers were Saudi Arabian.

Why attack Afghanistan? Yah... I know of the 'training grounds' pitch... but I'm not buying it.

And then why attack Iraq? Yah... I know of the 'weapons of mass destruction' pitch... but that was proven to be unequivocally false (a massive lie).

The motives were sinister and criminal. Leaders have been imprisoned for less.

Afghanistan was the training grounds, the location of al qaeda and the taliban, as well as where the master mind of 9/11 was located.  

Iraq was a cluster fuck in my opinion but like I said in previous posts I respect that fact that we tried to bring democracy to the country.

Saudia Arabia....yeah definite head scratcher Del.  We should have went there but ya know, oil and stuff lol.

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Someone help me out here.

9-11 attackers were Saudi Arabian.

Why attack Afghanistan? Yah... I know of the 'training grounds' pitch... but I'm not buying it.

And then why attack Iraq? Yah... I know of the 'weapons of mass destruction' pitch... but that was proven to be unequivocally false (a massive lie).

The motives were sinister and criminal. Leaders have been imprisoned for less.

Afghanistan was the training grounds, the location of al qaeda and the taliban, as well as where the master mind of 9/11 was located.  

Iraq was a cluster fuck in my opinion but like I said in previous posts I respect that fact that we tried to bring democracy to the country.

Saudia Arabia....yeah definite head scratcher Del.  We should have went there but ya know, oil and stuff lol.

Okay.

I thought this little bit was plain as day. My point being: why are people like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld not brought to charges? The war on terror was clearly misplaced. For all intents and purposes... they could have sold 'Canada' to a public that just needed any country to put in their sights.

These assholes protected their Saudi friends. They knew an ounce of flesh was necessary- the US public would have no less- but Saudi Arabia was off limits given the trade agreements in place so they invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq under false pretenses (any brown will do!).

Cheney relaxes with his millions and nary a peep from the US public who are victims of fraud (let alone all the innocent lives taken abroad and all the soldiers dying or maimed).

How the f**k does that happen?

HughFreakingDillon said:

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.

What about the Eddie chants that happen at almost every show or the Ole' chants and all the other ones that seem to be a constant at South American shows?

chanting the name of an entertainer or sports hero or whomever is a bit different than chanting the name of your country you hold blind allegiance to. I'm sure those same people have chanted the name of any other untold amount of entertainers, not just the one. an american wouldn't be caught dead chanting "Sweden! Sweden!" when they were playing hockey against Canada. 

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

JC29856 said:

mcgruff10 said:

JC29856 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwlTSzc80

I thought the majority of PJ fans are democrats?

awesome stuff! when was that?

uniondale '03.  (Nassau coliseum)

when you say it turned ugly you mean, like fights broke out or throwing things at the band?

The crowd turned on him real quick.  People were screaming "fuck you" and giving him the finger.  It got really tense in my section; it felt like a fight could break out in any moment.  The walk out was interesting too, people yelling how Ed was a douche, he should stick to music and just play rock n roll, people paid for music not politics...others defended him.  It was a really decisive moment for the band and the country.

This 2003 tour was definitely crazy; the most upset I ever was at a pearl jam show was at Hershey not at Uniondale.  Ed said some pretty fucked up shit that night.

okay. Now you have to explain. What did he say that night?

Hershey rant

https://youtu.be/bLHTfKueFL4

mace1229 said:

It sounded like he regretted it almost right away and tried to make a joke by making that weird left turn into crapping on little girls, but it was just weird and uncomfortable, not funny.
I did like his comment about getting an education and voting instead though. Could have just said that and nothing else.