They booed because Eddie spoke his views in a very disrespectful way. They could have played the song and said a few words, but I think the GW mask was over the top and very disrespectful when considering they were playing NYC where the wounds were still raw. THey deserved to be booed not because they were wrong (they were right), but in the disrespectful way they presented their views.
So talk nicely about GW? Because he's the president and all?
He got booed by a bunch of people who blindly followed their leader just as they blindly followed their faith.
He was a turd. An imbecile who was responsible for countless innocent lives. He got more respect than he deserved that night.
I'm not saying the crowd wouldn't have booed if he was just talking about Bush and why he thought the war was wrong, but my theory is that it wouldn't have gone down so bad if he didn't wear the mask and do his little routine.
I'm not comparing Bush to Jesus or anything, but if you want to disagree verbally that Jesus existed with a Christian most will politely disagree or just tolerate you. If you dress up as Jesus and mockingly do something, you might generate a more angry response. That's all I'm saying.
They booed because Eddie spoke his views in a very disrespectful way. They could have played the song and said a few words, but I think the GW mask was over the top and very disrespectful when considering they were playing NYC where the wounds were still raw. THey deserved to be booed not because they were wrong (they were right), but in the disrespectful way they presented their views.
So talk nicely about GW? Because he's the president and all?
He got booed by a bunch of people who blindly followed their leader just as they blindly followed their faith.
He was a turd. An imbecile who was responsible for countless innocent lives. He got more respect than he deserved that night.
I'm not saying the crowd wouldn't have booed if he was just talking about Bush and why he thought the war was wrong, but my theory is that it wouldn't have gone down so bad if he didn't wear the mask and do his little routine.
I'm not comparing Bush to Jesus or anything, but if you want to disagree verbally that Jesus existed with a Christian most will politely disagree or just tolerate you. If you dress up as Jesus and mockingly do something, you might generate a more angry response. That's all I'm saying.
And you wouldn't be wrong.
I guess I'm saying (or trying to say) when he pulled his stunt... he didn't truly care how Bush supporters were going to receive it.
When they played Toronto in 2016 and Ed was heaping praise on Justin Trudeau, I did the same thing I did when Trudeau took the stage at last year’s Canada Day (well, the next day): I quietly stood there and didn’t applaud.
In 2016, 2 nights later when Ed “wished death” on an old, decrepit racist in Florida, I did applaud the (hopefully eventual) death of the racist ideals, if not that specific individual.
I don’t mind a bit of political or philosophical discussion from an entertainer, even if I don’t agree with them. What does piss me off is when I’m told I can’t be a fan of a band (or whatever) because I don’t always agree with their politics. In the same way that I’m allowed to interpret a song differently from its creator’s original intent, I suppose.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
They booed because he was talking / lecturing. It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
It's 'hear' (like you spelled correctly in your second sentence).
And the spotlight can be used to initiate change. Using the moment to spread the word which the people who booed had not yet received the word is an artist's prerogative.
If people think artists like Eddie Vedder aren't going to sound off when the mood hits them... they fail to appreciate the motivation behind most- if not all- of their writing. Taking it one step further... they fail to understand the meaningful link between the artist's passions and the songs they write. These artists don't turn it off and become autotrons so simpletons can hear them Sing, Sing. Sing
They booed because Eddie spoke his views in a very disrespectful way. They could have played the song and said a few words, but I think the GW mask was over the top and very disrespectful when considering they were playing NYC where the wounds were still raw. THey deserved to be booed not because they were wrong (they were right), but in the disrespectful way they presented their views.
So talk nicely about GW? Because he's the president and all?
He got booed by a bunch of people who blindly followed their leader just as they blindly followed their faith.
He was a turd. An imbecile who was responsible for countless innocent lives. He got more respect than he deserved that night.
I'm not saying the crowd wouldn't have booed if he was just talking about Bush and why he thought the war was wrong, but my theory is that it wouldn't have gone down so bad if he didn't wear the mask and do his little routine.
I'm not comparing Bush to Jesus or anything, but if you want to disagree verbally that Jesus existed with a Christian most will politely disagree or just tolerate you. If you dress up as Jesus and mockingly do something, you might generate a more angry response. That's all I'm saying.
And you wouldn't be wrong.
I guess I'm saying (or trying to say) when he pulled his stunt... he didn't truly care how Bush supporters were going to receive it.
It is a fine line with wanting to push your agenda and wanting to piss off people that paid to see you play music.
They booed because Eddie spoke his views in a very disrespectful way. They could have played the song and said a few words, but I think the GW mask was over the top and very disrespectful when considering they were playing NYC where the wounds were still raw. THey deserved to be booed not because they were wrong (they were right), but in the disrespectful way they presented their views.
So talk nicely about GW? Because he's the president and all?
He got booed by a bunch of people who blindly followed their leader just as they blindly followed their faith.
He was a turd. An imbecile who was responsible for countless innocent lives. He got more respect than he deserved that night.
I'm not saying the crowd wouldn't have booed if he was just talking about Bush and why he thought the war was wrong, but my theory is that it wouldn't have gone down so bad if he didn't wear the mask and do his little routine.
I'm not comparing Bush to Jesus or anything, but if you want to disagree verbally that Jesus existed with a Christian most will politely disagree or just tolerate you. If you dress up as Jesus and mockingly do something, you might generate a more angry response. That's all I'm saying.
And you wouldn't be wrong.
I guess I'm saying (or trying to say) when he pulled his stunt... he didn't truly care how Bush supporters were going to receive it.
It is a fine line with wanting to push your agenda and wanting to piss off people that paid to see you play music.
People pay to see the band perform. Anyone who didn't expect political commentary from Ed doesn't know much about the band. The onus is on the artists to present their art however they wish. They can choose to try to cater to their audience or not, but the audience doesn't get to choose what they see and hear.
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They booed because he was talking / lecturing. It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
Did I hear wrong? I thought the booing starting during the song, and that instigated an Ed response which led to more booing. If the crowd had just let the band play the song, would there have been a problem?
Besides that, my feeling in general (not directed at any one person here) is that to me the real problem is the booing. In all my damn long years and many concerts I have never booed a band or performer at concert. Not once, ever. It's hard work going out there night after night playing before a demanding crowd, moving from town to town, trying to make time for meals, working on little sleep, have next to no privacy. SO you don't like a song. Why boo that? I think booing at a show is weak.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
They booed because he was talking / lecturing. It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
I hope he bashes orange bafoon as much as he did WB in 2003 , he does sing on average anywhere from 27 to 33 songs per night I’d say he has earned the right to speak out when ever he wants too !
Ahhhhhh, the good ol' days when Pearl Jam & EV had balls...
Uniondale is one of the hilights of the bands history in my opinion... standing on stage not backing down to the criticism... fired right into a killer version of Know Your Rights afterwards... LOVE IT
Loved the comments at Hershey, EV was right then and he is still right
Bush era Pearl Jam was the best!!! Now we have a bunch of parents pimping out their children at shows for tambo's and a family fun atmosphere... 2003-2008 was real fucking rock n roll
They booed because Eddie spoke his views in a very disrespectful way. They could have played the song and said a few words, but I think the GW mask was over the top and very disrespectful when considering they were playing NYC where the wounds were still raw. THey deserved to be booed not because they were wrong (they were right), but in the disrespectful way they presented their views.
So talk nicely about GW? Because he's the president and all?
He got booed by a bunch of people who blindly followed their leader just as they blindly followed their faith.
He was a turd. An imbecile who was responsible for countless innocent lives. He got more respect than he deserved that night.
I'm not saying the crowd wouldn't have booed if he was just talking about Bush and why he thought the war was wrong, but my theory is that it wouldn't have gone down so bad if he didn't wear the mask and do his little routine.
I'm not comparing Bush to Jesus or anything, but if you want to disagree verbally that Jesus existed with a Christian most will politely disagree or just tolerate you. If you dress up as Jesus and mockingly do something, you might generate a more angry response. That's all I'm saying.
And you wouldn't be wrong.
I guess I'm saying (or trying to say) when he pulled his stunt... he didn't truly care how Bush supporters were going to receive it.
It is a fine line with wanting to push your agenda and wanting to piss off people that paid to see you play music.
I highly doubt he was TRYING to piss people off, thirty is just saying he thinks he just didn't give a shit if that was the reaction.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Ahhhhhh, the good ol' days when Pearl Jam & EV had balls...
Uniondale is one of the hilights of the bands history in my opinion... standing on stage not backing down to the criticism... fired right into a killer version of Know Your Rights afterwards... LOVE IT
Loved the comments at Hershey, EV was right then and he is still right
Bush era Pearl Jam was the best!!! Now we have a bunch of parents pimping out their children at shows for tambo's and a family fun atmosphere... 2003-2008 was real fucking rock n roll
they still had/have balls. They just put them away for safe keeping 2008-2016.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Ahhhhhh, the good ol' days when Pearl Jam & EV had balls...
Uniondale is one of the hilights of the bands history in my opinion... standing on stage not backing down to the criticism... fired right into a killer version of Know Your Rights afterwards... LOVE IT
Loved the comments at Hershey, EV was right then and he is still right
Bush era Pearl Jam was the best!!! Now we have a bunch of parents pimping out their children at shows for tambo's and a family fun atmosphere... 2003-2008 was real fucking rock n roll
I would say 1993 to 2008, then all of a sudden silence! What happened in 2009? I have a feeling we may get some "real fucking rock and roll" during the Trump ea. Im just hoping they quick hurry up fast in a hurry make some new music and tour before he is impeached.
They booed because he was talking / lecturing. It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
I think I paid $36 for tickets in '03. Yeah, I'm sure it was the talking or maybe he should have been more like Nickelback. The album was Riot Act. What a shock on what his message was about..
They booed because Eddie spoke his views in a very disrespectful way. They could have played the song and said a few words, but I think the GW mask was over the top and very disrespectful when considering they were playing NYC where the wounds were still raw. THey deserved to be booed not because they were wrong (they were right), but in the disrespectful way they presented their views.
So talk nicely about GW? Because he's the president and all?
He got booed by a bunch of people who blindly followed their leader just as they blindly followed their faith.
He was a turd. An imbecile who was responsible for countless innocent lives. He got more respect than he deserved that night.
I'm not saying the crowd wouldn't have booed if he was just talking about Bush and why he thought the war was wrong, but my theory is that it wouldn't have gone down so bad if he didn't wear the mask and do his little routine.
I'm not comparing Bush to Jesus or anything, but if you want to disagree verbally that Jesus existed with a Christian most will politely disagree or just tolerate you. If you dress up as Jesus and mockingly do something, you might generate a more angry response. That's all I'm saying.
And you wouldn't be wrong.
I guess I'm saying (or trying to say) when he pulled his stunt... he didn't truly care how Bush supporters were going to receive it.
It is a fine line with wanting to push your agenda and wanting to piss off people that paid to see you play music.
People pay to see the band perform. Anyone who didn't expect political commentary from Ed doesn't know much about the band. The onus is on the artists to present their art however they wish. They can choose to try to cater to their audience or not, but the audience doesn't get to choose what they see and hear.
in the last 10 years or so, which were the good rants? I'd say #1 is the "people are looking for a reason to kill" rant. Interesting that Ed chose to use the general term people without explaining exactly who those people are. Then he walked back from "people" to war in general "imagine that". #2 if you want to call it "political" the At&t rant, wasnt it At&t? #3 anything everything said at the "Tester show" which was a political show in the first place did I miss any others?
Matthew Good (canadian musician) is extremely political, and he doesn't shy away from that at his shows either. He went so far years ago as to actually sell shirts that said "Shut up and sing" because so many people yelled that out at his shows. It still blows me away how ignorant people can be.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Ahhhhhh, the good ol' days when Pearl Jam & EV had balls...
Uniondale is one of the hilights of the bands history in my opinion... standing on stage not backing down to the criticism... fired right into a killer version of Know Your Rights afterwards... LOVE IT
Loved the comments at Hershey, EV was right then and he is still right
Bush era Pearl Jam was the best!!! Now we have a bunch of parents pimping out their children at shows for tambo's and a family fun atmosphere... 2003-2008 was real fucking rock n roll
they still had/have balls. They just put them away for safe keeping 2008-2016.
The Fixer, and Backspacer in general, had no balls. No edge. No nothing.
Ahhhhhh, the good ol' days when Pearl Jam & EV had balls...
Uniondale is one of the hilights of the bands history in my opinion... standing on stage not backing down to the criticism... fired right into a killer version of Know Your Rights afterwards... LOVE IT
Loved the comments at Hershey, EV was right then and he is still right
Bush era Pearl Jam was the best!!! Now we have a bunch of parents pimping out their children at shows for tambo's and a family fun atmosphere... 2003-2008 was real fucking rock n roll
they still had/have balls. They just put them away for safe keeping 2008-2016.
The Fixer, and Backspacer in general, had no balls. No edge. No nothing.
art imitates life. would you like them to fake being unhappy and angry?
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
They booed because he was talking / lecturing. It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
if you don't know what to expect at an EV/PJ show, then that's your own fault.
I know what to expect when I go in for a root canal. Just because they know what to expect doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.
I agree they have the right to say and do whatever they want. They've also earned it at this point. But I also see the point with ticket prices now approaching $100 each, and many spend 10 times that in travel expenses, they want to hear music and not a speech. It doesn't bother me and I don't boo, but I can understand why many would get annoyed or upset. The closest I came was during the first solo EV tour. EV wore that Bush mask and a guitar tech or someone came out dressed as the devil to give him a blow job. I personally wasn't offended, but I Just rolled my eyes because I didn't pay that money to watch Eddie act out a blow job. The thing went on long enough to have played another song, so I think it was fair to say I was annoyed. But I remember thinking if people were upset over those other incidents, I was surprised there wasn't a bigger reaction to that one.
They booed because he was talking / lecturing. It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
if you don't know what to expect at an EV/PJ show, then that's your own fault.
I know what to expect when I go in for a root canal. Just because they know what to expect doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.
I agree they have the right to say and do whatever they want. They've also earned it at this point. But I also see the point with ticket prices now approaching $100 each, and many spend 10 times that in travel expenses, they want to hear music and not a speech. It doesn't bother me and I don't boo, but I can understand why many would get annoyed or upset. The closest I came was during the first solo EV tour. EV wore that Bush mask and a guitar tech or someone came out dressed as the devil to give him a blow job. I personally wasn't offended, but I Just rolled my eyes because I didn't pay that money to watch Eddie act out a blow job. The thing went on long enough to have played another song, so I think it was fair to say I was annoyed. But I remember thinking if people were upset over those other incidents, I was surprised there wasn't a bigger reaction to that one.
Someone already alluded to it, but PJ plays for over three hours. A lot of bands give you 1 hour and 45 mins.
In college... I used to play with a tenacious rebounder. Every now and then he'd fire up a loony shot. I always defended him saying, "He's earned the right to take that shot."
They booed because he was talking / lecturing. It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
if you don't know what to expect at an EV/PJ show, then that's your own fault.
I know what to expect when I go in for a root canal. Just because they know what to expect doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.
I agree they have the right to say and do whatever they want. They've also earned it at this point. But I also see the point with ticket prices now approaching $100 each, and many spend 10 times that in travel expenses, they want to hear music and not a speech. It doesn't bother me and I don't boo, but I can understand why many would get annoyed or upset. The closest I came was during the first solo EV tour. EV wore that Bush mask and a guitar tech or someone came out dressed as the devil to give him a blow job. I personally wasn't offended, but I Just rolled my eyes because I didn't pay that money to watch Eddie act out a blow job. The thing went on long enough to have played another song, so I think it was fair to say I was annoyed. But I remember thinking if people were upset over those other incidents, I was surprised there wasn't a bigger reaction to that one.
I get it. it is fair to be annoyed or whatever. But to take it one step further and say "shut up and sing" is akin to thinking they are hired help there to entertain us like court jesters. they are not. nor does the amount of money you pay to see a show does equate to them owing you anything.
Was I slightly annoyed at Ed for trotting out that doctor at the St Paul show to talk to the crowd for 20 minutes about EB? Fuck yes I was. I don't get to see the band much because of my own financial situation and how little they come to my city. But would I ever say to anyone "jesus, I paid good money to come here! they owe me songs and not speeches!". No. that's a risk I take. It's their platform, they can do what they want. that's just how it works.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
They booed because he was talking / lecturing. It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
if you don't know what to expect at an EV/PJ show, then that's your own fault.
I know what to expect when I go in for a root canal. Just because they know what to expect doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.
I agree they have the right to say and do whatever they want. They've also earned it at this point. But I also see the point with ticket prices now approaching $100 each, and many spend 10 times that in travel expenses, they want to hear music and not a speech. It doesn't bother me and I don't boo, but I can understand why many would get annoyed or upset. The closest I came was during the first solo EV tour. EV wore that Bush mask and a guitar tech or someone came out dressed as the devil to give him a blow job. I personally wasn't offended, but I Just rolled my eyes because I didn't pay that money to watch Eddie act out a blow job. The thing went on long enough to have played another song, so I think it was fair to say I was annoyed. But I remember thinking if people were upset over those other incidents, I was surprised there wasn't a bigger reaction to that one.
Someone already alluded to it, but PJ plays for over three hours. A lot of bands give you 1 hour and 45 mins.
In college... I used to play with a tenacious rebounder. Every now and then he'd fire up a loony shot. I always defended him saying, "He's earned the right to take that shot."
PJ earns their 'shots' on a nightly basis.
I wouldn't disagree that they've earned their shots, and give us double (in terms of length of a concert) what many other bands give. It still doesn't seem unreasonable that I would be annoyed when I pay good money to see a music concert and end up watching a grown man act out a blow job on stage. I wouldn;t boo or be disrespectful though, I doubt he saw me roll my eyes during that.
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I'm not saying the crowd wouldn't have booed if he was just talking about Bush and why he thought the war was wrong, but my theory is that it wouldn't have gone down so bad if he didn't wear the mask and do his little routine.
I'm not comparing Bush to Jesus or anything, but if you want to disagree verbally that Jesus existed with a Christian most will politely disagree or just tolerate you. If you dress up as Jesus and mockingly do something, you might generate a more angry response. That's all I'm saying.
I guess I'm saying (or trying to say) when he pulled his stunt... he didn't truly care how Bush supporters were going to receive it.
We aren't all idiots that need someone to tell us what to think!
Dance monkey.
Just don't hurt my ignorant feelings.
We can hear our parents lecture us for free.
Sing, Sing. Sing
In 2016, 2 nights later when Ed “wished death” on an old, decrepit racist in Florida, I did applaud the (hopefully eventual) death of the racist ideals, if not that specific individual.
I don’t mind a bit of political or philosophical discussion from an entertainer, even if I don’t agree with them. What does piss me off is when I’m told I can’t be a fan of a band (or whatever) because I don’t always agree with their politics. In the same way that I’m allowed to interpret a song differently from its creator’s original intent, I suppose.
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
It's 'hear' (like you spelled correctly in your second sentence).
And the spotlight can be used to initiate change. Using the moment to spread the word which the people who booed had not yet received the word is an artist's prerogative.
If people think artists like Eddie Vedder aren't going to sound off when the mood hits them... they fail to appreciate the motivation behind most- if not all- of their writing. Taking it one step further... they fail to understand the meaningful link between the artist's passions and the songs they write. These artists don't turn it off and become autotrons so simpletons can hear them Sing, Sing. Sing
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Besides that, my feeling in general (not directed at any one person here) is that to me the real problem is the booing. In all my damn long years and many concerts I have never booed a band or performer at concert. Not once, ever. It's hard work going out there night after night playing before a demanding crowd, moving from town to town, trying to make time for meals, working on little sleep, have next to no privacy. SO you don't like a song. Why boo that? I think booing at a show is weak.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I've never booed anything and never would, it's childish.
I have boomed on occasion, particularly during Crazy Mary.
Uniondale is one of the hilights of the bands history in my opinion... standing on stage not backing down to the criticism... fired right into a killer version of Know Your Rights afterwards... LOVE IT
Loved the comments at Hershey, EV was right then and he is still right
Bush era Pearl Jam was the best!!! Now we have a bunch of parents pimping out their children at shows for tambo's and a family fun atmosphere... 2003-2008 was real fucking rock n roll
we will find a way, we will find our place
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
I'd say
#1 is the "people are looking for a reason to kill" rant. Interesting that Ed chose to use the general term people without explaining exactly who those people are. Then he walked back from "people" to war in general "imagine that".
#2 if you want to call it "political" the At&t rant, wasnt it At&t?
#3 anything everything said at the "Tester show" which was a political show in the first place
did I miss any others?
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
I'm okay with it, Getaway and MYM had balls enough for me.
Just because they know what to expect doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.
I agree they have the right to say and do whatever they want. They've also earned it at this point. But I also see the point with ticket prices now approaching $100 each, and many spend 10 times that in travel expenses, they want to hear music and not a speech.
It doesn't bother me and I don't boo, but I can understand why many would get annoyed or upset.
The closest I came was during the first solo EV tour. EV wore that Bush mask and a guitar tech or someone came out dressed as the devil to give him a blow job. I personally wasn't offended, but I Just rolled my eyes because I didn't pay that money to watch Eddie act out a blow job. The thing went on long enough to have played another song, so I think it was fair to say I was annoyed. But I remember thinking if people were upset over those other incidents, I was surprised there wasn't a bigger reaction to that one.
Someone already alluded to it, but PJ plays for over three hours. A lot of bands give you 1 hour and 45 mins.
In college... I used to play with a tenacious rebounder. Every now and then he'd fire up a loony shot. I always defended him saying, "He's earned the right to take that shot."
PJ earns their 'shots' on a nightly basis.
Was I slightly annoyed at Ed for trotting out that doctor at the St Paul show to talk to the crowd for 20 minutes about EB? Fuck yes I was. I don't get to see the band much because of my own financial situation and how little they come to my city. But would I ever say to anyone "jesus, I paid good money to come here! they owe me songs and not speeches!". No. that's a risk I take. It's their platform, they can do what they want. that's just how it works.
-EV 8/14/93
It still doesn't seem unreasonable that I would be annoyed when I pay good money to see a music concert and end up watching a grown man act out a blow job on stage. I wouldn;t boo or be disrespectful though, I doubt he saw me roll my eyes during that.