Why did they boo Eddie?

brianlux

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Wow 49 notifications because of this thread.

The shit storm you started, Thoughts!  

unsung

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Well, considering that Eddie had every right in the world to express his very valid and even verifiable opinion through song under the Constitution, and considering how much damage Bush's war did to America and the world, and considering how it all started on a bed of lies, I think it is actually fairly easy to say who was right in this particular case.

I think everyone agrees the war in Afghanistan was warranted however Iraq was always the one that people argued about. Some people thought we didn't belong there and others thought it was better to fight the terrorists five thousand miles away instead of here while taking out a pretty horrible leader. 
Both Eddie and W were protected under the  constitutional to either go to war or record a song. 

What? You're comparing going to war with recording or singing a song? Sorry, that just doesn't compute in this context. The point is that many of the misguided "patriots" at that show wanted to shut Eddie up, shut him down, and that does not represent patriotism in America if the Constitution and the belief in freedom has anything to do with it, which it does.
As for everyone agreeing the war in Afghanistan was warranted... No, I don't think that's the case. I think there are plenty of people who would not agree with that. I personally did agree with it at the time, but in retrospect feel that it was a terrible mistake and literally EVERYTHING should have been done differently.

so four planes were hijacked and three were flown into buildings killings thousands and you wanted to respond how exactly?

Yes going to war and singing a song are both covered under the Constitution.
Why are the people who were booing Eddie "misguided patriots"?  They had a belief and didn't like Ed's opinion. They showed their disapproval by booing and even yelling out "play rock n'roll!!"; Ed even commented how this was good open discussion (or something like that).  I don't recall anybody leaving the show but I do know that songs were omitted from the set list which resulted in the show ending early. So if anything, Ed couldn't handle the criticism, not the other way around.

Because he has the right to voice his opinion from the stage, but the fans don't have the right to voice their opinions from the floor.  Duh.

brianlux

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

josevolution

JC29856 said:

mcgruff10 said:

JC29856 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwlTSzc80

I thought the majority of PJ fans are democrats?

awesome stuff! when was that?

uniondale '03.  (Nassau coliseum)

when you say it turned ugly you mean, like fights broke out or throwing things at the band?

I was there too 4th row dead center i didn't see any fights at all i just heard a bunch of assholes booing maybe some threw stuff Ed was pissed and they broke into KNOW YOUR RIGHTS by THE CLASH , that was the last show on Long Island you won't see them back here ever again Long Island is shit i can't wait to move out ...

josevolution

I was not pissed that they played the song i thought it was very fitting ...

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

mcgruff10

josevolution said:

JC29856 said:

mcgruff10 said:

JC29856 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwlTSzc80

I thought the majority of PJ fans are democrats?

awesome stuff! when was that?

uniondale '03.  (Nassau coliseum)

when you say it turned ugly you mean, like fights broke out or throwing things at the band?

I was there too 4th row dead center i didn't see any fights at all i just heard a bunch of assholes booing maybe some threw stuff Ed was pissed and they broke into KNOW YOUR RIGHTS by THE CLASH , that was the last show on Long Island you won't see them back here ever again Long Island is shit i can't wait to move out ...

I don't recall anyone throwing anything at Ed (but I definitely could be wrong)....this isn't boston! lol

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

Thoughts_Arrive

brianlux said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Wow 49 notifications because of this thread.

The shit storm you started, Thoughts!  

I know huh.
Halts maul everyone.

mcgruff10

this was an absolute killer of a setlist:
04/30/03 - Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum: Uniondale, NY
support act: Sparta
set: Long Road, Rearviewmirror, Animal, Save You, Get Right, I Am Mine, Corduroy, Present Tense, In Hiding, Even Flow, Elderly Woman, Jeremy, You Are, I Am A Patriot, Blood, Not For You, Better Man, Porch
enc 1: Last Kiss, Thumbing My Way, Crazy Mary, Down, Do The Evolution, Daughter/(WMA), Alive

and then it went downhill lol.  'Smile,' 'Indifference' and 'Soldier Of Love' were on the setlist and not played.

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

That's how I hear it anyway, McG. 

Think of it this way:  What happens when a crowd begins to chant?  For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping.  The only purpose for adrenaline  coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response.  A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode.  They're picking for a fight.  And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode.  They are reading to go in for the kill.  And it's not even about survival.  They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.

So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets. 

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

That's how I hear it anyway, McG. 

Think of it this way:  What happens when a crowd begins to chant?  For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping.  The only purpose for adrenaline  coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response.  A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode.  They're picking for a fight.  And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode.  They are reading to go in for the kill.  And it's not even about survival.  They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.

So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets. 

I never thought of it that way, good points Bri.  

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Well, considering that Eddie had every right in the world to express his very valid and even verifiable opinion through song under the Constitution, and considering how much damage Bush's war did to America and the world, and considering how it all started on a bed of lies, I think it is actually fairly easy to say who was right in this particular case.

I think everyone agrees the war in Afghanistan was warranted however Iraq was always the one that people argued about. Some people thought we didn't belong there and others thought it was better to fight the terrorists five thousand miles away instead of here while taking out a pretty horrible leader. 
Both Eddie and W were protected under the  constitutional to either go to war or record a song. 

What? You're comparing going to war with recording or singing a song? Sorry, that just doesn't compute in this context. The point is that many of the misguided "patriots" at that show wanted to shut Eddie up, shut him down, and that does not represent patriotism in America if the Constitution and the belief in freedom has anything to do with it, which it does.
As for everyone agreeing the war in Afghanistan was warranted... No, I don't think that's the case. I think there are plenty of people who would not agree with that. I personally did agree with it at the time, but in retrospect feel that it was a terrible mistake and literally EVERYTHING should have been done differently.

so four planes were hijacked and three were flown into buildings killings thousands and you wanted to respond how exactly?

Yes going to war and singing a song are both covered under the Constitution.
Why are the people who were booing Eddie "misguided patriots"?  They had a belief and didn't like Ed's opinion. They showed their disapproval by booing and even yelling out "play rock n'roll!!"; Ed even commented how this was good open discussion (or something like that).  I don't recall anybody leaving the show but I do know that songs were omitted from the set list which resulted in the show ending early. So if anything, Ed couldn't handle the criticism, not the other way around.

Eddie handled it just fine.
I personally think that yelling at someone to shut up and play music is an attempt and shutting them down.

I don't want to get into a discussion about how the 9/11 response could have been better handled, in retrospect, in this thread - it would be a complete derailment. Though I'm a bit surprised that anyone wouldn't agree that, in retrospect, it would have been better if done another way, even in terms of Afghanistan.

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

That's how I hear it anyway, McG. 

Think of it this way:  What happens when a crowd begins to chant?  For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping.  The only purpose for adrenaline  coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response.  A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode.  They're picking for a fight.  And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode.  They are reading to go in for the kill.  And it's not even about survival.  They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.

So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets. 

I never thought of it that way, good points Bri.  

That's why I don't feel too bad about not having been to a pro football game before.  All those people, all that adrenaline AND massive amounts of beer?  Amazing more shit doesn't happen at those types of  games-

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.

tbergs

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.

It encourages mob mentality. I can't think of any context where it makes sense in our current free world existence. The only time it is ever used is as a response when an American is making a statement that doesn't 100% support the military or when some blow hard is preaching an inflated ideal that this country is the greatest ever.

josevolution

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

That's how I hear it anyway, McG. 

Think of it this way:  What happens when a crowd begins to chant?  For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping.  The only purpose for adrenaline  coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response.  A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode.  They're picking for a fight.  And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode.  They are reading to go in for the kill.  And it's not even about survival.  They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.

So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets. 

I never thought of it that way, good points Bri.  

That's why I don't feel too bad about not having been to a pro football game before.  All those people, all that adrenaline AND massive amounts of beer?  Amazing more shit doesn't happen at those types of  games-

People def were ramped up for war after 9/11 I almost got into a weird situation that night I was wearing my gray getright shirt the shirt writing was Arabic looking , when I walked into arena that night some idiot started yelling at me about my shirt i was glad my friend was with me I had to tell the idiot it was a PJ shirt ...

riley540

Just like any chant it brings people together. Before the Foo Fighters encore at the show I was at everyone chanted “foo fighters” because that’s what was on peoples minds, idk, chants don’t bother me at all. Neither does Eddie being political. Eddie did something, people didn’t like it. They changed for 5 seconds, and life went on. 

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.

It encourages mob mentality. I can't think of any context where it makes sense in our current free world existence. The only time it is ever used is as a response when an American is making a statement that doesn't 100% support the military or when some blow hard is preaching an inflated ideal that this country is the greatest ever.

i remember when i watched wrestling in the 80's, most of the 'bad guys' were foreigners, iraqi, russian, etc. the 'good guy' would inevitably start or encourage a chant of USA USA USA. i always found it humorous. until i would see people in the crowd actually spit on the 'bad guy' , little did they realize (fucking idiots) he was a character and he was actually born in new york. then i saw people doing it in real life at rallies and shit. very unsettling. it almost seems to come from a place of anger, not pride. 

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.

It encourages mob mentality. I can't think of any context where it makes sense in our current free world existence. The only time it is ever used is as a response when an American is making a statement that doesn't 100% support the military or when some blow hard is preaching an inflated ideal that this country is the greatest ever.

i remember when i watched wrestling in the 80's, most of the 'bad guys' were foreigners, iraqi, russian, etc. the 'good guy' would inevitably start or encourage a chant of USA USA USA. i always found it humorous. until i would see people in the crowd actually spit on the 'bad guy' , little did they realize (fucking idiots) he was a character and he was actually born in new york. then i saw people doing it in real life at rallies and shit. very unsettling. it almost seems to come from a place of anger, not pride. 

Oh yeah, it does!
People love to blame their troubles on the "other" and rally together as a mob.