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A healthy government is part of a healthy society.unsung said:
So society should determine labor value? Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL. Muh free markets!CM189191 said:unsung said:Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?
There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you.
Without society, your labor carries no value.
If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
Glad you finally agree. Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
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Being made to do something against your willunsung said:Define slavery. Can you?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
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I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.rgambs said:
No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
Do you think your guns protect you? That's childishly laughable.
I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.
Wow, just wow. Smh.0 -
The same founding fathers (i.e. government) that outlined and establshed rights and how the government would maintain and protect them?unsung said:
I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.rgambs said:
No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
Do you think your guns protect you? That's childishly laughable.
I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.
Wow, just wow. Smh.0 -
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You’re only born with an ability to suck a teat and a brain with a large potential for growth. (And some other inherited traits). If you’re on an island with others, your group would rather quickly create some form of rules and what happens when people don’t follow those rules. It occurs naturally with higher functioning animals. In large form, humans call it government. What I just said sounds really basic because what you said sounds like an adolescent caught in a power struggle.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.0 -
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Hahaha the guys who Founded the government to codify and protect disagreed with the necessity of government for codifying and protecting rights?unsung said:
I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.rgambs said:
No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
Do you think your guns protect you? That's childishly laughable.
I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.
Wow, just wow. Smh.
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I'm so glad the Founding Fathers were infallible and neither society nor the Constitution has changed or evolved in 250 years.unsung said:
I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.rgambs said:
No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
Do you think your guns protect you? That's childishly laughable.
I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.
Wow, just wow. Smh.
Constitutional originalism is a bigger pile of horse shiat than libertarianism.
Just another 'philosophy' used by the myopic, evil, and ignorant to justify their abhorrent position in life.0 -
And I’m the one that needs help? And I feel fine! Thank you!CM189191 said:
Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??unsung said:Define slavery. Can you?
Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??
Are you really claiming to be a slave??
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The same one that shot the British who also thought they gave you your Rights.Go Beavers said:0
The same founding fathers (i.e. government) that outlined and establshed rights and how the government would maintain and protect them?unsung said:
I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.rgambs said:
No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
Do you think your guns protect you? That's childishly laughable.
I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.
Wow, just wow. Smh.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I didn't make the comparison, you did.CM189191 said:
Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??unsung said:Define slavery. Can you?
Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??
Are you really claiming to be a slave??
What is the matter with you??
I asked a question.
You can't define it?Post edited by unsung on0 -
And we circle back to the inevitable Libertarian ideological pick and choose. The Constitution isn’t a blank sheet of paper.unsung said:
The same one that shot the British who also thought they gave you your Rights.Go Beavers said:0
The same founding fathers (i.e. government) that outlined and establshed rights and how the government would maintain and protect them?unsung said:
I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.rgambs said:
No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.unsung said:
No, you are wrong. Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away. Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges.Go Beavers said:
You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people.unsung said:
I was born with them.Go Beavers said:
Where’d you get your rights?unsung said:You don't have a right to my labor.
If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
Do you think your guns protect you? That's childishly laughable.
I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.
Wow, just wow. Smh.0 -
Isn't he in a union?CM189191 said:
Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??unsung said:Define slavery. Can you?
Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??
Are you really claiming to be a slave??
What is the matter with you??0 -
No way I’m convinced he mines gold and other minerals and then trades it for food & clothingBentleyspop said:
Isn't he in a union?CM189191 said:
Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??unsung said:Define slavery. Can you?
Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??
Are you really claiming to be a slave??
What is the matter with you??jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
Still waiting...unsung said:
So society should determine labor value? Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL. Muh free markets!CM189191 said:unsung said:Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?
There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you.
Without society, your labor carries no value.
If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
Glad you finally agree. Free markets should determine labor value, not government.0 -
In what way is government determining labor value?unsung said:
Still waiting...unsung said:
So society should determine labor value? Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL. Muh free markets!CM189191 said:unsung said:Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?
There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you.
Without society, your labor carries no value.
If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
Glad you finally agree. Free markets should determine labor value, not government.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Setting a minimum wage.0
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