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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,187
    CM189191 said:
    No, tRump is not necessary. The world would be a better place if the tRump family never existed.
    This raises a very complex and unpleasant topic; how much is hatred and evil necessary for love and good to exist? Would the world have been a better place if all previous oppressive and genocidal tyrants never existed? In their time, yes, but in the course of history, it's impossible to know how it prevented or influenced the opposite views and actions.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:
    How so? 
    Because you act like this a stage play, like a fucking dramatised Machiavellian power struggle, except you forgot that it's real life, with real lives on the line, and you somehow missed that The Prince was a damn satire.  You have no skin in the game so you're willing to bet any sum because someone else will foot the bill.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    not it's not. his entire campaign was two things:

    1-crooked hillary
    2-everything wrong with america is obama's fault

    and his base believe both. you really think the majority of people who voted for him don't believe #2? you're kidding yourself. 
    It is far more nuanced then that. The majority believe Obama contributed to a bipartisan failure. They believe the GOP failed them during the Bush years. They believe Obama failed them during his time. The Republican primary voter nominated Trump to demonstrate the complete rejection of the GOP that failed them. Trump then won the presidency by picking up historically blue states that rejected the Democratic status quo. These were previous Obama voters who didn't all of the sudden become racists...these are people that were economically left behind on a bipartisan basis.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,842
    BS44325 said:
    I've laid it out a million times. I don't like him but I think he is necessary.
    you sound like Steve Bannon. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,842
    edited September 2017
    BS44325 said:

    You might be right but this has been predicted every single time he has said something ridiculous and his support has never changed. The "SOB" remark is actually the least offensive thing he has said in the last few years and is in fact the sentiment that most people silently agree with. 
    I didn't say he'd lose support from his base over this. he won't. I said he'd gain a slight surge in those who agree with him, since it's all about patriotism, but when the next thing comes up, those people will forget about agreeing with him on this and will go back to knowing he's a tool or not caring at all. 

    edit to add:
    and you think calling black football players "sons of bitches" is the least offensive thing he has said in the last few years? seriously? you realize that calling someone a son of a bitch isn't a direct insult to that person, but the person's mother. he is calling those peoples' mothers "bitches" to a live audience. the president of the united fucking states just called some black women bitches (no white athletes had yet kneeled at the time of this statement, so yes, that is a true statement). 

    it doesn't get much more offensive than that. 
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    But people need a leader and look to the leader and I will go as far as to say he is advocating the divisiveness!  He has handled everything very poorly to say the least. I don't know how anyone can support his words and actions thus far. 
    I don't disagree but others believe that he is responding to divisiveness. Support going forward will completely depend on what the alternative is. If it is another candidate who speaks of "deplorables" then the voter will continue to support Trump to battle on their behalf.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    you sound like Steve Bannon. 
    Haaa. Well that's on your failure to understand the difference between Bannon and I. I'm a neocon remember. Bannon isn't. Trump has been moving closer to my foreign policy beliefs and away from Bannon's.

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,842
    BS44325 said:
    Haaa. Well that's on your failure to understand the difference between Bannon and I. I'm a neocon remember. Bannon isn't. Trump has been moving closer to my foreign policy beliefs and away from Bannon's.

    it's not my failure to understand anything. I'm saying that statement, and that statement alone, sounds like something Bannon would say. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • KatKat Posts: 4,939
    Jeff Sessions Defends Trump’s Right To Speak Out Against Free Speech
    “The president has free speech rights too,” the attorney general said of Trump’s condemnation of NFL players who protest.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeff-sessions-trump-nfl_us_59ca8732e4b0cdc7733534d4?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    Um...the president is supposed to be the #1 supporter of the Constitution and he clearly isn't when he condemns the American right to peaceful protest. It's the opposite as in unAmerican. So JeffSessions, you are that too evidently. Did he send you out to say that drivel?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,842
    BS44325 said:
    It is far more nuanced then that. The majority believe Obama contributed to a bipartisan failure. They believe the GOP failed them during the Bush years. They believe Obama failed them during his time. The Republican primary voter nominated Trump to demonstrate the complete rejection of the GOP that failed them. Trump then won the presidency by picking up historically blue states that rejected the Democratic status quo. These were previous Obama voters who didn't all of the sudden become racists...these are people that were economically left behind on a bipartisan basis.
    no, it's not. people who like trump fit into at least one, and maybe more, of the following categories:

    1-he's better than hillary
    2-obama ruined everything, trump said so, so I'm voting for him
    3-I like trump because he speaks his mind
    4-he's a successful businessman, so he's going to be able to turn the economy around

    are you telling me that if Obama had been legally allowed to run a third time, Trump would have beat him?
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,459
    Kat said:
    Jeff Sessions Defends Trump’s Right To Speak Out Against Free Speech
    “The president has free speech rights too,” the attorney general said of Trump’s condemnation of NFL players who protest.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeff-sessions-trump-nfl_us_59ca8732e4b0cdc7733534d4?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    Um...the president is supposed to be the #1 supporter of the Constitution and he clearly isn't when he condemns the American right to peaceful protest. It's the opposite as in unAmerican. So JeffSessions, you are that too evidently. Did he send you out to say that drivel?
    Yep, the President's most important duty is to uphold the Constitution of the United States.  Sure, he has every right to say he disagrees with the protests.  What he doesn't have is a legal right to influence or threaten to influence the employment decisions of private entities as defined by Title 18, Section 227 of United States Code - a law which Jeff Sessions apparently has no clue exists.
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    PJ_Soul said:
    ^^^^ All silly bullshit.
    Why in the fuck are you a Trump supporter BS? It's so weird. Are you just a contrarian?
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    Yep, the President's most important duty is to uphold the Constitution of the United States.  Sure, he has every right to say he disagrees with the protests.  What he doesn't have is a legal right to influence or threaten to influence the employment decisions of private entities as defined by Title 18, Section 227 of United States Code - a law which Jeff Sessions apparently has no clue exists.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tbergs said:
    This raises a very complex and unpleasant topic; how much is hatred and evil necessary for love and good to exist? Would the world have been a better place if all previous oppressive and genocidal tyrants never existed? In their time, yes, but in the course of history, it's impossible to know how it prevented or influenced the opposite views and actions.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited September 2017
    BS is only concerned with his team winning elections... nothing else matters.... this is also my countrproblem in a nutshell, people willing to do anything and explain away anything just to win and secure power... Mexicans are rapists... disrespecting veterans... bullying handicapped people... assaulting women... bullying in general... supportung fucking nazi's... educated supporters like BS should be ashamed of themselves 

    By the way, neocons proved throughout the 2000's that they don't know shit and their ideas and worldview are filled with hubris and are nothing short of destructive and WRONG

    I'm not shocked in the slightest dumb ass Trump is being duped by them, just like W was. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,842
    Trumpcare is officially dead. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Trumpcare is officially dead. 
    10/01/17
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,362
    Trumpcare won't be officially dead until Trump is out of office and the GOP no longer controls Congress. Until then its zombified corpse will keep rising to torment us.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,842
    JimmyV said:
    Trumpcare won't be officially dead until Trump is out of office and the GOP no longer controls Congress. Until then its zombified corpse will keep rising to torment us.
    correct. I meant for this round. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Seven years the GOP used ACA as a wedge issue and it worked to their advantage.  I don't see them rushing to 'fix' anything anytime soon.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Kat said:
    Jeff Sessions Defends Trump’s Right To Speak Out Against Free Speech
    “The president has free speech rights too,” the attorney general said of Trump’s condemnation of NFL players who protest.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeff-sessions-trump-nfl_us_59ca8732e4b0cdc7733534d4?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    Um...the president is supposed to be the #1 supporter of the Constitution and he clearly isn't when he condemns the American right to peaceful protest. It's the opposite as in unAmerican. So JeffSessions, you are that too evidently. Did he send you out to say that drivel?

    The President is not condemning the "right to protest" but the style in which it is being conducted. He has said that it is the player's right...he just doesn't like it and has the right to condemn it as disrespectful even though I disagree with him doing it. He also has the right to say an owner "should" fire a player but he doesn't have the right to "order" or "force" an owner to fire a player...which he hasn't done. An owner and/or league has code of conduct rules and they do have the right to fire a player. The NBA previously suspended Abdoul Rauf for failing to stand for the anthem. The NFL has fined players for wearing sneakers that paid respects to 9/11. Google just fired an employee for writing a memo. This forum bans people when they are in breach of posting rules. Free speech is not a one way street.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    my2hands said:
    BS is only concerned with his team winning elections... nothing else matters.... this is also my countrproblem in a nutshell, people willing to do anything and explain away anything just to win and secure power... Mexicans are rapists... disrespecting veterans... bullying handicapped people... assaulting women... bullying in general... supportung fucking nazi's... educated supporters like BS should be ashamed of themselves 

    By the way, neocons proved throughout the 2000's that they don't know shit and their ideas and worldview are filled with hubris and are nothing short of destructive and WRONG

    I'm not shocked in the slightest dumb ass Trump is being duped by them, just like W was. 
    My team? That's just assholery.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,274
    edited September 2017
    BS44325 said:

    The President is not condemning the "right to protest" but the style in which it is being conducted. He has said that it is the player's right...he just doesn't like it and has the right to condemn it as disrespectful even though I disagree with him doing it. He also has the right to say an owner "should" fire a player but he doesn't have the right to "order" or "force" an owner to fire a player...which he hasn't done. An owner and/or league has code of conduct rules and they do have the right to fire a player. The NBA previously suspended Abdoul Rauf for failing to stand for the anthem. The NFL has fined players for wearing sneakers that paid respects to 9/11. Google just fired an employee for writing a memo. This forum bans people when they are in breach of posting rules. Free speech is not a one way street.
    I haven't noticed that any of Trump's rights are being violated, so I don't know why you're going on about how he has the right to do this and that. Yeah, he does. That is why he hasn't been arrested. That doesn't mean the world can't acknowledge what a fucking asshole and horrible, terrible leader for America he is for saying and thinking all of it.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,842
    BS44325 said:

    The President is not condemning the "right to protest" but the style in which it is being conducted. He has said that it is the player's right...he just doesn't like it and has the right to condemn it as disrespectful even though I disagree with him doing it. He also has the right to say an owner "should" fire a player but he doesn't have the right to "order" or "force" an owner to fire a player...which he hasn't done. An owner and/or league has code of conduct rules and they do have the right to fire a player. The NBA previously suspended Abdoul Rauf for failing to stand for the anthem. The NFL has fined players for wearing sneakers that paid respects to 9/11. Google just fired an employee for writing a memo. This forum bans people when they are in breach of posting rules. Free speech is not a one way street.
    the sneakers were a violation of their uniform policy. the NFL has no policy on standing for, or even attending, the national anthem. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:
    I haven't noticed that any of Trump's rights are being violated, so I don't know why you're going on about how he has the right to do this and that. Yeah, he does. That is why he hasn't been arrested. That doesn't mean the world can't acknowledge what a fucking asshole and horrible, terrible leader for America he is for saying and thinking all of it.
    I haven't said any of Trump's rights were violated. We are talking about what speech rights he has and I'm glad you agree with me. It is also your right to criticize him the way you do.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    the sneakers were a violation of their uniform policy. the NFL has no policy on standing for, or even attending, the national anthem. 
    Correct but teams have general behavioural codes in their contracts and they have the right to fine, bench or fire a player even if it wouldn't necessarily be in their best interest. Again I am not suggesting a team should do this I am only suggesting that they probably have the right to do this although it would be opposed by the player's union and it would probably end up in court.
  • PJ_Soul said:
    Yes, if you're aiming for the decline and fall of the USA, I agree he is necessary. But look, your comment about his UN speech suggests you're saying more than what you're claiming is your point. Are you so egotistical that you think you know what's best for the world when literally every single other reasonable leader on the face of the planet doesn't, along with all other reasonable people, military leaders, geniuses, scientists, et al? I think it's almost fascinating that you feel like you know something that all of these much more qualified and informed people don't (not to mention about 68% of all US voters).
    Yes, why yes he is. "There is a global nightmare..............................
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:
    Because you act like this a stage play, like a fucking dramatised Machiavellian power struggle, except you forgot that it's real life, with real lives on the line, and you somehow missed that The Prince was a damn satire.  You have no skin in the game so you're willing to bet any sum because someone else will foot the bill.
    We all have skin in the game.
  • I guess he is bored waiting for the impeachment stuff to gain any traction to battle against so the kneeling battle it is. Latest tweet folks....

    Ratings for NFL football are way down except before game starts, when people tune in to see whether or not our country will be disrespected! The booing at the NFL football game last night, when the entire Dallas team dropped to its knees, was loudest I have ever heard. Great anger. But while Dallas dropped to its knees as a team, they all stood up for our National Anthem. Big progress being made-we all love our country! The NFL has all sorts of rules and regulations. The only way out for them is to set a rule that you can't kneel during our National Anthem!


  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    CM189191 said:
    No, tRump is not necessary. The world would be a better place if the tRump family never existed.
    Nope. The status quo was unacceptable. The world was and still is steamrolling towards catastrophe. 
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