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You are basically advocating that we should be silent because someone might be offended so don't do anything or you may be ostracized for doing something completely legal, but unpopular. Queue that image of the Olympics podium again...pjhawks said:
not so sure about that. either way its a good lesson for people that although your actions might be legal and might be important it doesn't mean there aren't consequences.HesCalledDyer said:
Without the former you wouldn't have the latter. There's your answer.pjhawks said:
what's worse people bent out of shape over someone kneeling for the National Anthem or people being bent out of shape because some guy can't find a job as a backup QB in the NFL?HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The fact that people get so bent out of fucking shape over someone kneeling during a song. Not harming anyone. As a matter of fact taking a stand against violence and discimination. But you can be part of a double murder and still have a fucking statue made in your honor.PJ_Soul said:
That is definitely the most disturbing part of this entire saga.cincybearcat said:
True, but Ray is a HOF talent on the field. Kap is not anywhere close. And that's what matters most. Are you good enough for people to ignore all the static (no matter how bad). Kap really should be on a roster, but I do understand some hesitation for bringing in a player that is a backup and comes with any type of baggage. And the NFL is a brand...and the teams are brands first and foremost. They try not to damage the brand. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people offended by Kap's kneeling.HesCalledDyer said:
True, 1 event, 2 victims.Jason P said:
Correction: Ray Lewis career murders: 2HesCalledDyer said:
It's a lame excuse. If a girlfriend posting a message on twitter is too much of a distraction to the Ravens, it makes me wonder how they can concentrate on anything. They're professionals, they should be able to handle it.PJ_Soul said:
Well, that is one stupid lady. Kaepernick should dump her ass just for posting that shit in the first place. I don't see how he would be a distraction in the locker room because of that though, so the point where it would harm their game ... TBH, I always thought that "distraction in the locker room" theory was a little overwrought in most cases.Dirtie_Frank said:If what Ray says is true then I understand why the NFL doesn't want him. Too much of a distraction in the locker room especially for a backup.
Number of career murders Ray Lewis has been involved in: 1
Colin Kaepernick: 0
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It's just too bad that people have to view good intentions as something bad, something where you have to face consequences.pjhawks said:
not so sure about that. either way its a good lesson for people that although your actions might be legal and might be important it doesn't mean there aren't consequences.HesCalledDyer said:
Without the former you wouldn't have the latter. There's your answer.pjhawks said:
what's worse people bent out of shape over someone kneeling for the National Anthem or people being bent out of shape because some guy can't find a job as a backup QB in the NFL?HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The fact that people get so bent out of fucking shape over someone kneeling during a song. Not harming anyone. As a matter of fact taking a stand against violence and discimination. But you can be part of a double murder and still have a fucking statue made in your honor.PJ_Soul said:
That is definitely the most disturbing part of this entire saga.cincybearcat said:
True, but Ray is a HOF talent on the field. Kap is not anywhere close. And that's what matters most. Are you good enough for people to ignore all the static (no matter how bad). Kap really should be on a roster, but I do understand some hesitation for bringing in a player that is a backup and comes with any type of baggage. And the NFL is a brand...and the teams are brands first and foremost. They try not to damage the brand. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people offended by Kap's kneeling.HesCalledDyer said:
True, 1 event, 2 victims.Jason P said:
Correction: Ray Lewis career murders: 2HesCalledDyer said:
It's a lame excuse. If a girlfriend posting a message on twitter is too much of a distraction to the Ravens, it makes me wonder how they can concentrate on anything. They're professionals, they should be able to handle it.PJ_Soul said:
Well, that is one stupid lady. Kaepernick should dump her ass just for posting that shit in the first place. I don't see how he would be a distraction in the locker room because of that though, so the point where it would harm their game ... TBH, I always thought that "distraction in the locker room" theory was a little overwrought in most cases.Dirtie_Frank said:If what Ray says is true then I understand why the NFL doesn't want him. Too much of a distraction in the locker room especially for a backup.
Number of career murders Ray Lewis has been involved in: 1
Colin Kaepernick: 0
The NFL is garbage.
There's a big difference (to me, at least) between using your constitutional rights for good vs using them for malice, then expecting consequences. Calling someone the n-word, for example, I would expect consequences. Doing something that harms no one and brings attention to an actual problem should not have to face public backlash, especially to the degree that this mounted into.
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never said such a thing. my point is you have to weigh your actions vs. what the consequences may be. my guess is Kaepernick would take the same action last year even knowing he might not get a job this year.tbergs said:
You are basically advocating that we should be silent because someone might be offended so don't do anything or you may be ostracized for doing something completely legal, but unpopular. Queue that image of the Olympics podium again...pjhawks said:
not so sure about that. either way its a good lesson for people that although your actions might be legal and might be important it doesn't mean there aren't consequences.HesCalledDyer said:
Without the former you wouldn't have the latter. There's your answer.pjhawks said:
what's worse people bent out of shape over someone kneeling for the National Anthem or people being bent out of shape because some guy can't find a job as a backup QB in the NFL?HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The fact that people get so bent out of fucking shape over someone kneeling during a song. Not harming anyone. As a matter of fact taking a stand against violence and discimination. But you can be part of a double murder and still have a fucking statue made in your honor.PJ_Soul said:
That is definitely the most disturbing part of this entire saga.cincybearcat said:
True, but Ray is a HOF talent on the field. Kap is not anywhere close. And that's what matters most. Are you good enough for people to ignore all the static (no matter how bad). Kap really should be on a roster, but I do understand some hesitation for bringing in a player that is a backup and comes with any type of baggage. And the NFL is a brand...and the teams are brands first and foremost. They try not to damage the brand. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people offended by Kap's kneeling.HesCalledDyer said:
True, 1 event, 2 victims.Jason P said:
Correction: Ray Lewis career murders: 2HesCalledDyer said:
It's a lame excuse. If a girlfriend posting a message on twitter is too much of a distraction to the Ravens, it makes me wonder how they can concentrate on anything. They're professionals, they should be able to handle it.PJ_Soul said:
Well, that is one stupid lady. Kaepernick should dump her ass just for posting that shit in the first place. I don't see how he would be a distraction in the locker room because of that though, so the point where it would harm their game ... TBH, I always thought that "distraction in the locker room" theory was a little overwrought in most cases.Dirtie_Frank said:If what Ray says is true then I understand why the NFL doesn't want him. Too much of a distraction in the locker room especially for a backup.
Number of career murders Ray Lewis has been involved in: 1
Colin Kaepernick: 0
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great sceneJason P said:0 -
Yeah, I couldn't care less if he can't find a job based on his skills. That isn't the point at all. I'm not sure I'm convinced that he can't find a job because of his skills though. That is one thing. But the main thing is that his act of protest was met by such aggression, when it was actually a righteous act that highlighted a really important, real issue. Everyone ignored that issue and got blindly, stupid-mad about some fake bullshit related to the fucking national anthem. Simpletons.
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I wonder if any Canadian football teams have made offers?Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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Kap quit his job. He wasnt fired or let go.
Now he can't find the same job. On top of that he quit his job BEFORE the NFL draft where 10 new QBs joined the NFL.
Would he still be as big a headline if he was holding a clipboard as a backup QB? Maybe its a good thing for whatever he's trying to accomplish. Would he even accept a job as third string QB? He'd be kneeling to hold field goals and that's it.0 -
He was told by legendary GM John Lynch that he would be cut if he didn't opt out.cp3iverson said:Kap quit his job. He wasnt fired or let go.
Now he can't find the same job. On top of that he quit his job BEFORE the NFL draft where 10 new QBs joined the NFL.
Would he still be as big a headline if he was holding a clipboard as a backup QB? Maybe its a good thing for whatever he's trying to accomplish. Would he even accept a job as third string QB? He'd be kneeling to hold field goals and that's it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-49ers-would-have-cut-kaepernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out/
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Oh, I hadn't even thought of that... The BC Lions could use him! We've lost 3 in a row and are last in the Western Conference! If he chose to move to the CFL, it would obviously be a big step down in terms of his pay cheque and his fame, but it would still be a nice life.Jason P said:I wonder if any Canadian football teams have made offers?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
What's worse is that we have a massive number of people that have been manipulated by tax payer funded marketing to associate pro and college sports with the military and blind conformist patriotism.cincybearcat said:
Well what's worse is that people are making this about 1 guy kneeling instead of looking at the data around those stopped and those killed by cops.pjhawks said:
what's worse people bent out of shape over someone kneeling for the National Anthem or people being bent out of shape because some guy can't find a job as a backup QB in the NFL?HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The fact that people get so bent out of fucking shape over someone kneeling during a song. Not harming anyone. As a matter of fact taking a stand against violence and discimination. But you can be part of a double murder and still have a fucking statue made in your honor.PJ_Soul said:
That is definitely the most disturbing part of this entire saga.cincybearcat said:
True, but Ray is a HOF talent on the field. Kap is not anywhere close. And that's what matters most. Are you good enough for people to ignore all the static (no matter how bad). Kap really should be on a roster, but I do understand some hesitation for bringing in a player that is a backup and comes with any type of baggage. And the NFL is a brand...and the teams are brands first and foremost. They try not to damage the brand. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people offended by Kap's kneeling.HesCalledDyer said:
True, 1 event, 2 victims.Jason P said:
Correction: Ray Lewis career murders: 2HesCalledDyer said:
It's a lame excuse. If a girlfriend posting a message on twitter is too much of a distraction to the Ravens, it makes me wonder how they can concentrate on anything. They're professionals, they should be able to handle it.PJ_Soul said:
Well, that is one stupid lady. Kaepernick should dump her ass just for posting that shit in the first place. I don't see how he would be a distraction in the locker room because of that though, so the point where it would harm their game ... TBH, I always thought that "distraction in the locker room" theory was a little overwrought in most cases.Dirtie_Frank said:If what Ray says is true then I understand why the NFL doesn't want him. Too much of a distraction in the locker room especially for a backup.
Number of career murders Ray Lewis has been involved in: 1
Colin Kaepernick: 0
The NFL is garbage.
And what's worse is that there are people that assume any cop interaction is a bad one and due to the police.
I don;t care about the kneeling....or that Kap can't find a job in the NFL. I'm sure he can find a job somewhere doing something. He wants to be 1 of like 96 people in the whole country. If you bring excess baggage with you, it's tough to beat those odds. So maybe he should go do something else.
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LOL Lynch has left his mark for sure. I still think this is actually helping whatever message he's trying to get across. His prime was very, very short. He has the talent to still be a backup QB but there's a lot of people who think that he doesn't even want that job. The GMs and owners have already spoken. Its no different from being a star who fights with coaches and fans. Once the talent starts to rust no one wants to deal with someone who can offend or who isnt safe (Rodman, Iverson, etc) even if they can still play. Not saying its right but that's such a defined thing in pro sports. I have a feeling someone signs him eventually but he just doesn't fit a lot of systemsJason P said:
He was told by legendary GM John Lynch that he would be cut if he didn't opt out.cp3iverson said:Kap quit his job. He wasnt fired or let go.
Now he can't find the same job. On top of that he quit his job BEFORE the NFL draft where 10 new QBs joined the NFL.
Would he still be as big a headline if he was holding a clipboard as a backup QB? Maybe its a good thing for whatever he's trying to accomplish. Would he even accept a job as third string QB? He'd be kneeling to hold field goals and that's it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-49ers-would-have-cut-kaepernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out/Post edited by cp3iverson on0 -
Yes, I agree with that. It's fucked up, and it is quite surprising how much money and effort the military puts into this rather sinister propaganda tactic... and how well it seems to work.... and how oblivious most people seem to be about it.Go Beavers said:
What's worse is that we have a massive number of people that have been manipulated by tax payer funded marketing to associate pro and college sports with the military and blind conformist patriotism.cincybearcat said:
Well what's worse is that people are making this about 1 guy kneeling instead of looking at the data around those stopped and those killed by cops.pjhawks said:
what's worse people bent out of shape over someone kneeling for the National Anthem or people being bent out of shape because some guy can't find a job as a backup QB in the NFL?HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The fact that people get so bent out of fucking shape over someone kneeling during a song. Not harming anyone. As a matter of fact taking a stand against violence and discimination. But you can be part of a double murder and still have a fucking statue made in your honor.PJ_Soul said:
That is definitely the most disturbing part of this entire saga.cincybearcat said:
True, but Ray is a HOF talent on the field. Kap is not anywhere close. And that's what matters most. Are you good enough for people to ignore all the static (no matter how bad). Kap really should be on a roster, but I do understand some hesitation for bringing in a player that is a backup and comes with any type of baggage. And the NFL is a brand...and the teams are brands first and foremost. They try not to damage the brand. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people offended by Kap's kneeling.HesCalledDyer said:
True, 1 event, 2 victims.Jason P said:
Correction: Ray Lewis career murders: 2HesCalledDyer said:
It's a lame excuse. If a girlfriend posting a message on twitter is too much of a distraction to the Ravens, it makes me wonder how they can concentrate on anything. They're professionals, they should be able to handle it.PJ_Soul said:
Well, that is one stupid lady. Kaepernick should dump her ass just for posting that shit in the first place. I don't see how he would be a distraction in the locker room because of that though, so the point where it would harm their game ... TBH, I always thought that "distraction in the locker room" theory was a little overwrought in most cases.Dirtie_Frank said:If what Ray says is true then I understand why the NFL doesn't want him. Too much of a distraction in the locker room especially for a backup.
Number of career murders Ray Lewis has been involved in: 1
Colin Kaepernick: 0
The NFL is garbage.
And what's worse is that there are people that assume any cop interaction is a bad one and due to the police.
I don;t care about the kneeling....or that Kap can't find a job in the NFL. I'm sure he can find a job somewhere doing something. He wants to be 1 of like 96 people in the whole country. If you bring excess baggage with you, it's tough to beat those odds. So maybe he should go do something else.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
The NFL is a product and the goal is to stay neutral. I Agree if there is talent that will lead to wins it will overcome stigma. But if that talent leads to a 2 - 14 season, bye bye.cp3iverson said:
LOL Lynch has left his mark for sure. I still think this is actually helping whatever message he's trying to get across. His prime was very, very short. He has the talent to still be a backup QB but there's a lot of people who think that he doesn't even want that job. The GMs and owners have already spoken. Its no different from being a star who fights with coaches and fans. Once the talent starts to rust no one wants to deal with someone who can offend or who isnt safe (Rodman, Iverson, etc) even if they can still play. Not saying its right but that's such a defined thing in pro sports. I have a feeling someone signs him eventually but he just doesn't fit a lot of systemsJason P said:
He was told by legendary GM John Lynch that he would be cut if he didn't opt out.cp3iverson said:Kap quit his job. He wasnt fired or let go.
Now he can't find the same job. On top of that he quit his job BEFORE the NFL draft where 10 new QBs joined the NFL.
Would he still be as big a headline if he was holding a clipboard as a backup QB? Maybe its a good thing for whatever he's trying to accomplish. Would he even accept a job as third string QB? He'd be kneeling to hold field goals and that's it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-49ers-would-have-cut-kaepernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out/Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Canadians love their anthem. How would they react to a guy kneeling for it?PJ_Soul said:
Oh, I hadn't even thought of that... The BC Lions could use him! We've lost 3 in a row and are last in the Western Conference! If he chose to move to the CFL, it would obviously be a big step down in terms of his pay cheque and his fame, but it would still be a nice life.Jason P said:I wonder if any Canadian football teams have made offers?0 -
As a form of valid protest that point out systemic racism? Most Canadians would respect that IMO. Plus we're not rabidly nationalistic the way America is.pjhawks said:
Canadians love their anthem. How would they react to a guy kneeling for it?PJ_Soul said:
Oh, I hadn't even thought of that... The BC Lions could use him! We've lost 3 in a row and are last in the Western Conference! If he chose to move to the CFL, it would obviously be a big step down in terms of his pay cheque and his fame, but it would still be a nice life.Jason P said:I wonder if any Canadian football teams have made offers?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Yeah. I don't think there would be much fuss. A lot of us view that sort of nationalism as unhealthy.PJ_Soul said:
As a form of valid protest that point out systemic racism? Most Canadians would respect that IMO. Plus we're not rabidly nationalistic the way America is.pjhawks said:
Canadians love their anthem. How would they react to a guy kneeling for it?PJ_Soul said:
Oh, I hadn't even thought of that... The BC Lions could use him! We've lost 3 in a row and are last in the Western Conference! If he chose to move to the CFL, it would obviously be a big step down in terms of his pay cheque and his fame, but it would still be a nice life.Jason P said:I wonder if any Canadian football teams have made offers?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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I don't think anyone (as a Canadian on a Sports team) would really do it up here. You look stupid doing it for one thing. Secondly it doesn't do anything. Third, there's a time and place for everything. Leave that protest shit in the US.
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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
I don't think anyone (as a Canadian on a Sports team) would really do it up here. You look stupid doing it for one thing. Secondly it doesn't do anything. Third, there's a time and place for everything. Leave that protest shit in the US.
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That giff is exactly what I do when I see those idiots protesting or kneeling during an anthem. Imagine if events were started w/ "Ladies and Gentlemen, please take a knee while we sing our national anthem to protest every injustice that we can think of".
Would you kneel or stand PJsoul?
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