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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Go Beavers said:
    cp3iverson said:
    I boycott ESPN now just like i do CNN and fox-news.  I wish i could just watch sports highlights and not have to see any kind of biased political material.  I don't care what side a talking head is on.  I refuse to listen to them. 
    If a espn broadcaster tweets something true about trump, how is this effecting the content of the channel?
    I don't even know what BS she tweeted or what BS Curt Schilling tweeted. My issue is with the channel going way out of their way to promote their views.  Whether its sportscenter or the espys. No different than foxnews or Cnn. I don't care to see that when my main concern is seeing how Nadal won the 5th set or the latest trade rumors.  Just Say No to cable.  Proud to have dropped their channel

  • ponytd
    ponytd Nashville Posts: 671
    Go Beavers said:
    ponytd said:
    Go Beavers said:
    cp3iverson said:
    I boycott ESPN now just like i do CNN and fox-news.  I wish i could just watch sports highlights and not have to see any kind of biased political material.  I don't care what side a talking head is on.  I refuse to listen to them. 
    If a espn broadcaster tweets something true about trump, how is this effecting the content of the channel?
    Do you have proof that Trump is a "white-supremacist? Yeah, he's said a lot of stupid things, and I don't really like him or follow everything he does at all, but it seems to me that if he was indeed that, he wouldn't have a black person, an Asian person or Jewish people in his cabinet.

     ESPN has been been bringing politics into sports for a while now. People watch sports to escape from politics and burdens of everyday life. It's entertainment. I personally don't care what anyone there believes or if they're Liberal or Republican, but their need to bring politics into all these shows definitely affects content. I understand that sports is not immune to politics or race or wealth or whatever, and it's fine to talk about it at times, but it seems that non sports content on the channel is more geared to politics or race or whatever and the only shows that don't really ever get into that are the fantasy football show and college gameday. The higher ups at ESPN have proven that they value those who follow with their political leanings and everyone else is afraid to speak out. Jemelle Hill should not be fired for having her own opinion. However, if you're going to fire others or suspend them for saying things that lean towards the right and not do anything other than issue a statement that says "we talked to her and she should apologize" for someone that speaks their mind and is left leaning, that is showing favoritism. They should at least be consistent in their discipline, if they are going to discipline at all. In my opinion, if you're not a work and you're not using a work affiliated platform, no company should ever hold anything against you for you expressing your own opinion as long as it's not violent.
    Yes I do have proof, and so do you. It's in his past actions and comments, as well as current policies, statements and actions. And if you've know. Any racists, it's not uncommon for them to be cordial to a few minorities once they feel that person is above the others and has "overcome their deficiencies". Using that as evidence that trump isn't racist, combined with you feeling like espn is shoving anything political down our throats suggests you're more avoidant of these kind of topics. Denying trump's bigotry is a way to avoid the subject all together. 
    I agree with that about racists. It's true. I just feel that in 2017 though, if you're aligned with the right, the left labels them as racists and white supremacists and bigots. But the right is calling the left snowflakes and babies and whatnot. That's the main reason I don't follow much of it anymore. It's just bad mouthing on both sides and nothing good comes from it.

    I'll ask you this though, if I'm avoiding these topics, why am I in this forum? Would I be involved in this thread if I'm so afraid of these topics? I think they're interesting topics and came for a discussion about the matter. I don't watch ESPN that much. I don't watch Fox Sports hardly at all. I don't watch Fox News at all. If I watch any news, I watch the local news or CNN usually or go on the internet and try to get different viewpoints. It's usually CNN, Washington Post and MSN. Me stating that ESPN is getting more political does not mean I'm avoiding the issue. It's a sports channel. Not a politics channel. If I want to watch a sports channel for sports, how is that avoiding important issues? So does anyone who wants to watch a football, baseball, or basketball game and just enjoy a game for 2-3 hours not care about the issues that we are facing as a country? Are all of those people empowering racists and Trump? If you go to a concert, are you also avoiding issues? What about the grocery store? Or an opera?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    cp3iverson said:
    Go Beavers said:
    cp3iverson said:
    I boycott ESPN now just like i do CNN and fox-news.  I wish i could just watch sports highlights and not have to see any kind of biased political material.  I don't care what side a talking head is on.  I refuse to listen to them. 
    If a espn broadcaster tweets something true about trump, how is this effecting the content of the channel?
    I don't even know what BS she tweeted or what BS Curt Schilling tweeted. My issue is with the channel going way out of their way to promote their views.  Whether its sportscenter or the espys. No different than foxnews or Cnn. I don't care to see that when my main concern is seeing how Nadal won the 5th set or the latest trade rumors.  Just Say No to cable.  Proud to have dropped their channel

    Maybe we're watching a different Sportscenter, because I'm not seeing politics. They feature some personal interest stories about athletes, so maybe that's what you're referencing?
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,963
    ponytd said:
    Go Beavers said:
    cp3iverson said:
    I boycott ESPN now just like i do CNN and fox-news.  I wish i could just watch sports highlights and not have to see any kind of biased political material.  I don't care what side a talking head is on.  I refuse to listen to them. 
    If a espn broadcaster tweets something true about trump, how is this effecting the content of the channel?
     ESPN has been been bringing politics into sports for a while now. People watch sports to escape from politics and burdens of everyday life. It's entertainment. I personally don't care what anyone there believes or if they're Liberal or Republican, but their need to bring politics into all these shows definitely affects content. I understand that sports is not immune to politics or race or wealth or whatever, and it's fine to talk about it at times, but it seems that non sports content on the channel is more geared to politics or race or whatever and the only shows that don't really ever get into that are the fantasy football show and college gameday. The higher ups at ESPN have proven that they value those who follow with their political leanings and everyone else is afraid to speak out. Jemelle Hill should not be fired for having her own opinion. However, if you're going to fire others or suspend them for saying things that lean towards the right and not do anything other than issue a statement that says "we talked to her and she should apologize" for someone that speaks their mind and is left leaning, that is showing favoritism. They should at least be consistent in their discipline, if they are going to discipline at all. In my opinion, if you're not a work and you're not using a work affiliated platform, no company should ever hold anything against you for you expressing your own opinion as long as it's not violent.
    I love the NFL and I'll probably always watch it but come on, the NFL has been a harbour for forced patriotism for the past 20 years or so. Sports have never and will never be immune from politics.
  • ponytd
    ponytd Nashville Posts: 671
    Go Beavers said:
    cp3iverson said:
    Go Beavers said:
    cp3iverson said:
    I boycott ESPN now just like i do CNN and fox-news.  I wish i could just watch sports highlights and not have to see any kind of biased political material.  I don't care what side a talking head is on.  I refuse to listen to them. 
    If a espn broadcaster tweets something true about trump, how is this effecting the content of the channel?
    I don't even know what BS she tweeted or what BS Curt Schilling tweeted. My issue is with the channel going way out of their way to promote their views.  Whether its sportscenter or the espys. No different than foxnews or Cnn. I don't care to see that when my main concern is seeing how Nadal won the 5th set or the latest trade rumors.  Just Say No to cable.  Proud to have dropped their channel

    Maybe we're watching a different Sportscenter, because I'm not seeing politics. They feature some personal interest stories about athletes, so maybe that's what you're referencing?
    I think it's more of the fact that many of the on-air talent is more liberal, and their viewpoints come out more so. Now, there's nothing wrong with that in a debate or discussion type show. I encourage it as long as all sides get their say.

    I haven't watched SportsCenter in a while. Not because I feel they're getting "too left", but more so because, well, I don't have as much time and with social media and the rise of smartphones, I can get any and all sports news (or any news for that matter) from there and don't have to sit and watch tv. I found these two articles below that explain things in a good light, coming from ESPN itself.
    http://www.espn.com/blog/ombudsman/post/_/id/767/inside-and-out-espn-dealing-with-changing-political-dynamics
    http://www.espn.com/blog/ombudsman/post/_/id/871/espn-awash-in-rising-political-tide-2
     
  • ponytd
    ponytd Nashville Posts: 671
    eddiec said:
    ponytd said:
    Go Beavers said:
    cp3iverson said:
    I boycott ESPN now just like i do CNN and fox-news.  I wish i could just watch sports highlights and not have to see any kind of biased political material.  I don't care what side a talking head is on.  I refuse to listen to them. 
    If a espn broadcaster tweets something true about trump, how is this effecting the content of the channel?
     ESPN has been been bringing politics into sports for a while now. People watch sports to escape from politics and burdens of everyday life. It's entertainment. I personally don't care what anyone there believes or if they're Liberal or Republican, but their need to bring politics into all these shows definitely affects content. I understand that sports is not immune to politics or race or wealth or whatever, and it's fine to talk about it at times, but it seems that non sports content on the channel is more geared to politics or race or whatever and the only shows that don't really ever get into that are the fantasy football show and college gameday. The higher ups at ESPN have proven that they value those who follow with their political leanings and everyone else is afraid to speak out. Jemelle Hill should not be fired for having her own opinion. However, if you're going to fire others or suspend them for saying things that lean towards the right and not do anything other than issue a statement that says "we talked to her and she should apologize" for someone that speaks their mind and is left leaning, that is showing favoritism. They should at least be consistent in their discipline, if they are going to discipline at all. In my opinion, if you're not a work and you're not using a work affiliated platform, no company should ever hold anything against you for you expressing your own opinion as long as it's not violent.
    I love the NFL and I'll probably always watch it but come on, the NFL has been a harbour for forced patriotism for the past 20 years or so. Sports have never and will never be immune from politics.
    I guess I've never thought of it that way, but yeah, I can see that.
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited September 2017
    However, if my employer doesn't want me wearing my politics on my sleeve at my work, than I shouldn't.  If something I wear causes customers to reject our services, and look elsewhere, my employer has every right to tell me to stop wearing politically offensive things on my head or whatever.  And if I keep doing it in the name of free speech, that's fine and not illegal, not gonna get arrested for it, but my employer has every right to fire my ass if I'm turning away business.  Football is a product, and a business, if the conduct of the players pisses off enough viewers and enough fans stop attending the games or quit watching, then the NFL has a problem.  Sports Center use to be fun informative and humorous.  Now it has become an unwatchable political soap opera.  If my employer insists that every company vehicle display a pro USA design and American flag sign/icon, it is not my right as an employee to rip the sticker off because I don't like our country.  
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    If a potato chips company, would put
    anti American slogans or signage on the potato chip bags, how long would it take before they would not be selling to many potato chips?  Same with a major soup lable.  There are still enough patriotic Americans to not have this anti American movement become the norm.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    RYME said:
    If a potato chips company, would put
    anti American slogans or signage on the potato chip bags, how long would it take before they would not be selling to many potato chips?  Same with a major soup lable.  There are still enough patriotic Americans to not have this anti American movement become the norm.
    Care to explain what you are calling the "anti-American movement"?
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    This is my idea of an anti-American slogan:


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    The guy sucks so bad even the cfl won't sign him!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    RYME said:
    If a potato chips company, would put
    anti American slogans or signage on the potato chip bags, how long would it take before they would not be selling to many potato chips?  Same with a major soup lable.  There are still enough patriotic Americans to not have this anti American movement become the norm.
    The protest seems pro-America to me. 
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:
    The guy sucks so bad even the cfl won't sign him!

    Nice work Scruffy. Start an international conflict.

    Cue the 'Canada is a bunch of racists' comments that we will now have to defend.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The guy sucks so bad even the cfl won't sign him!

    Nice work Scruffy. Start an international conflict.

    Cue the 'Canada is a bunch of racists' comments that we will now have to defend.
    Whenever the topics of sports and  prejudice come together,  a can of worms is sure to have been opened.  For example, "Canuck".  When I lived on the shores of Lake Erie just a long swim away from  the Province of Ontario, I was told that referring to a Canadian as a "Canuck" was as bad as the "n" word or any other racial slur you can think of.  And then then named a team, The Canucks.  Hmmph!  A typical cowtown, toque headed attempt to start a kerfuffle with us peace loving Americans.  It's just not right!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The guy sucks so bad even the cfl won't sign him!

    Nice work Scruffy. Start an international conflict.

    Cue the 'Canada is a bunch of racists' comments that we will now have to defend.
    You just wait Del!  
    I mean seriously, if the CFL didn't sign him you know the guy is terrible.  Just ask Doug Flutie.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,883
    He is better than some of the garbage on display yesterday.
    Jacksonville and Chicago would both be significantly better with him as their QB, imo.
    SF too, for that matter.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,459
    F Me In The Brain said:
    He is better than some of the garbage on display yesterday.
    Jacksonville and Chicago would both be significantly better with him as their QB, imo.
    SF too, for that matter.
    Chicago is terrible.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,624
    F Me In The Brain said:
    He is better than some of the garbage on display yesterday.
    Jacksonville and Chicago would both be significantly better with him as their QB, imo.
    SF too, for that matter.
    Chicago has Tribisky in the wings, they don't need Kaperninck.  They are grooming him.

    I thought he would be a good fit in Miami but the Shirt thing backfired on him.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,883
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    He is better than some of the garbage on display yesterday.
    Jacksonville and Chicago would both be significantly better with him as their QB, imo.
    SF too, for that matter.
    Chicago has Tribisky in the wings, they don't need Kaperninck.  They are grooming him.

    I thought he would be a good fit in Miami but the Shirt thing backfired on him.
    They should play him if they want to be competitive.  That QB they have now is awful.  Just awful.

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The guy sucks so bad even the cfl won't sign him!

    Nice work Scruffy. Start an international conflict.

    Cue the 'Canada is a bunch of racists' comments that we will now have to defend.
    You just wait Del!  
    I mean seriously, if the CFL didn't sign him you know the guy is terrible.  Just ask Doug Flutie.


    He's bad.

    As I said earlier... if he hadn't taken a knee and caused a stir... nobody would be advocating for him.
    "My brain's a good brain!"

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