Hillary Clinton: What happened

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Gern Blansten said:
    JimmyV said:
    Keep cashing them checks I guess. I don't think the world really needs another Hillary Clinton book, and I doubt very much she is going to be any more open and honest here than she's ever been in the past. That's not because she is a liar, but it is because she is a lifelong politician. But hey, if some publisher is willing to pay and there's an audience for it, have at it.

    Hillary was a deeply flawed candidate who secured the nomination of her party via an even more flawed process that began (and arguably ended) long before the Iowa caucuses. She would undoubtedly have made a better President than Donald Trump but so too would almost anyone else. That isn't the bar for being a great or even good President.
    Here's an idea...don't buy her book.  Check the sales once it comes out and update us as to whether the world wanted it.


    Her book will do fine for a time and then in a few years you will see one in every thrift store in America.  I've seen this time and again.  Books on political figure with staying power are not all that common.  A few few example: David McCullough's Truman, Walter Isaacson's Benjamin Franklin: An American Life.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    brianlux said:
    ^^^ I agree with everything Jimmy said.

    The last presidential election was a mess.  We had no one who truly inspired with leadership potential and because of that added up  enough protest votes such that we ended up electing a clown.  And if you are not a strong enough candidate to beat a clown in an election, you are probably not going to make a good (let alone a great) president.

    Please, America, give us better choices in 2020!
    I think there is a difference between winning an election and being a great president.  was Hillary a leader, yes I would say she was.  look at all the things she fought and won for.  shit just her speech in Beijing on womans right makes her a great leader. 
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    brianlux said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JimmyV said:
    Keep cashing them checks I guess. I don't think the world really needs another Hillary Clinton book, and I doubt very much she is going to be any more open and honest here than she's ever been in the past. That's not because she is a liar, but it is because she is a lifelong politician. But hey, if some publisher is willing to pay and there's an audience for it, have at it.

    Hillary was a deeply flawed candidate who secured the nomination of her party via an even more flawed process that began (and arguably ended) long before the Iowa caucuses. She would undoubtedly have made a better President than Donald Trump but so too would almost anyone else. That isn't the bar for being a great or even good President.
    Here's an idea...don't buy her book.  Check the sales once it comes out and update us as to whether the world wanted it.


    Her book will do fine for a time and then in a few years you will see one in every thrift store in America.  I've seen this time and again.  Books on political figure with staying power are not all that common.  A few few example: David McCullough's Truman, Walter Isaacson's Benjamin Franklin: An American Life.
    you can realistically say that about all books not just books on political figures
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    fife said:
    brianlux said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JimmyV said:
    Keep cashing them checks I guess. I don't think the world really needs another Hillary Clinton book, and I doubt very much she is going to be any more open and honest here than she's ever been in the past. That's not because she is a liar, but it is because she is a lifelong politician. But hey, if some publisher is willing to pay and there's an audience for it, have at it.

    Hillary was a deeply flawed candidate who secured the nomination of her party via an even more flawed process that began (and arguably ended) long before the Iowa caucuses. She would undoubtedly have made a better President than Donald Trump but so too would almost anyone else. That isn't the bar for being a great or even good President.
    Here's an idea...don't buy her book.  Check the sales once it comes out and update us as to whether the world wanted it.


    Her book will do fine for a time and then in a few years you will see one in every thrift store in America.  I've seen this time and again.  Books on political figure with staying power are not all that common.  A few few example: David McCullough's Truman, Walter Isaacson's Benjamin Franklin: An American Life.
    you can realistically say that about all books not just books on political figures
    Well, it's true, there's a lot of landfill out there.
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  • PJPOWER
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    Too expensive of toilet paper for me...maybe an "elite" could use it to wipe their butt.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    then this...

    The 2016 presidential campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton was announced in a YouTube video, on April 12, 2015.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016

    I honestly don't know what your point is. Is there a single person who belongs to (or even knows about the existence of) the DNC that don't know that from the get-go, Clinton was preferred by party officials? This isn't news - it's been assumed and/or known for at least two years.
    Some are okay with being cheated, some are not.
    Maybe you haven"t read Section 4 of the DNC by-laws?
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2989759-Impartiality-Clause-DNC-Charter-Bylaws-Art-5-Sec-4.html


    Because cheating has never happened before in politics? Ever? You know whats never happened? A presidential campaign for POTUS colluding with a hostile foreign power to influence an election outcome. That's what has never happened before until Trump came along.
    typical centrist math 1wrong + 1wrong = right
    What was wrong? That she cheated? Or that the party machination chose a democrat over a socialist? Typical Bernie Bro feeling the Bern. And hey, trump's an idiot but lets justify his presidency.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    PJPOWER said:
    Too expensive of toilet paper for me...maybe an "elite" could use it to wipe their butt.
    A Trump supporter that wipes his ass?

    Do you brush your tooth too?

    (kidding... kind of lol)
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    PJPOWER said:
    Too expensive of toilet paper for me...maybe an "elite" could use it to wipe their butt.
    really "elite"? 
  • JC29856
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    then this...

    The 2016 presidential campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton was announced in a YouTube video, on April 12, 2015.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016

    I honestly don't know what your point is. Is there a single person who belongs to (or even knows about the existence of) the DNC that don't know that from the get-go, Clinton was preferred by party officials? This isn't news - it's been assumed and/or known for at least two years.
    Some are okay with being cheated, some are not.
    Maybe you haven"t read Section 4 of the DNC by-laws?
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2989759-Impartiality-Clause-DNC-Charter-Bylaws-Art-5-Sec-4.html


    Because cheating has never happened before in politics? Ever? You know whats never happened? A presidential campaign for POTUS colluding with a hostile foreign power to influence an election outcome. That's what has never happened before until Trump came along.
    typical centrist math 1wrong + 1wrong = right
    What was wrong? That she cheated? Or that the party machination chose a democrat over a socialist? Typical Bernie Bro feeling the Bern. And hey, trump's an idiot but lets justify his presidency.
    are you asking for my quote posts about Bernie? it didn't work out well for the last guy that asked for non-whiteness quote posts....
    say the word, I'm at 62% battery and the search is properly functioning
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    then this...

    The 2016 presidential campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton was announced in a YouTube video, on April 12, 2015.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016

    I honestly don't know what your point is. Is there a single person who belongs to (or even knows about the existence of) the DNC that don't know that from the get-go, Clinton was preferred by party officials? This isn't news - it's been assumed and/or known for at least two years.
    Some are okay with being cheated, some are not.
    Maybe you haven"t read Section 4 of the DNC by-laws?
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2989759-Impartiality-Clause-DNC-Charter-Bylaws-Art-5-Sec-4.html


    Because cheating has never happened before in politics? Ever? You know whats never happened? A presidential campaign for POTUS colluding with a hostile foreign power to influence an election outcome. That's what has never happened before until Trump came along.
    typical centrist math 1wrong + 1wrong = right
    What was wrong? That she cheated? Or that the party machination chose a democrat over a socialist? Typical Bernie Bro feeling the Bern. And hey, trump's an idiot but lets justify his presidency.
    are you asking for my quote posts about Bernie? it didn't work out well for the last guy that asked for non-whiteness quote posts....
    say the word, I'm at 62% battery and the search is properly functioning
    What are "non-whiteness quote posts?" Crypticness strikes again? Search and post away, just refrain from Comet Pizza, please.
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  • PJPOWER
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Too expensive of toilet paper for me...maybe an "elite" could use it to wipe their butt.
    A Trump supporter that wipes his ass?

    Do you brush your tooth too?

    (kidding... kind of lol)
    Haha, I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter as much as an anti-Clintonite.  Maybe those are both the same now with all the blurry lines.  Wonder if Billy will hollow out any of these books to hide his Cuban cigars in.  
    https://youtu.be/eFktbuhAyLM
  • Go Beavers
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    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    ^^^ I agree with everything Jimmy said.

    The last presidential election was a mess.  We had no one who truly inspired with leadership potential and because of that added up  enough protest votes such that we ended up electing a clown.  And if you are not a strong enough candidate to beat a clown in an election, you are probably not going to make a good (let alone a great) president.

    Please, America, give us better choices in 2020!
    anyone ever stop to ask, of all the talk of Trump running pres since he became a household name, why he chose this particular election to run? at age 72 or however old he is. just dumb luck I guess, maybe it's all about his tv network aspirations, or simply Putin told him to do so.
    Putin had such a miserable relationship with Clinton and Co(uranium1)(toni podesta)
    He ran in the past and the idiot has been a household name for years. Bullies are opportunists, and 2016 provided a good opportunity since the Republicans were rudderless and had no platform.  
  • josevolution
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    She lost so what lol you can't move on can you !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • brianlux
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    Seriously friends, wouldn't you agree that we could do better than Trump, Clinton, Sanders and Stein?  Couldn't we?  Good gawd I hope so.
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  • unsung
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    I knew a guy once.  Looks pretty sane now, huh?
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    Benghazi!  Emails!
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:
    I knew a guy once.  Looks pretty sane now, huh?
    JC?
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    I knew a guy once.  Looks pretty sane now, huh?
    JC?
    What a minute... Jesus ran for president? 

    Well I'll be! :smiley:
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    I knew a guy once.  Looks pretty sane now, huh?
    JC?
    What a minute... Jesus ran for president? 

    Well I'll be! :smiley:
    You're on to me Brian. And apparently to the 35% he has. God speed.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    fife said:
    Kat said:
    I hope it's a good read; I'm looking forward to reading it. She's had time to analyze the events. :) She would have made a very good president, much better than what we have now....a president who divides us worse than we are. 

    I am sorry to disagree with you Kat but she would not have been a very good president, she would have been a great president. 
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