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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited August 2017
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  • fife
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    ledvedderman said:
    fife said:
    stuckinline said:
    fife said:
    Tiki said:
    It's time to take the keys away from grandpa.
    the sad part is that the keys were given to him in the first place. 
    Hopefully, the generals changed the nuclear code.
    bigger question, lets say tomorrow trump in a rant decides to launch N-bombs into No korea or anywhere else.  do you think any general would say no? 
    Great question. My heart says yes, but my brain says no. 
    This is why i think  it is so important to get Trump out of office right away.  cause my brain says the same thing
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,705
    fife said:
    ledvedderman said:
    fife said:
    stuckinline said:
    fife said:
    Tiki said:
    It's time to take the keys away from grandpa.
    the sad part is that the keys were given to him in the first place. 
    Hopefully, the generals changed the nuclear code.
    bigger question, lets say tomorrow trump in a rant decides to launch N-bombs into No korea or anywhere else.  do you think any general would say no? 
    Great question. My heart says yes, but my brain says no. 
    This is why i think  it is so important to get Trump out of office right away.  cause my brain says the same thing
    The generals can't say no anyhow. The decision is completely up to Trump and his Secretary of Defense.... and even if the Secretary of Defense says no, Trump could fire him and do it anyway.... which totally sounds like something Trump would do, lol.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,537
    as much as I feared he would do something like that, I don't think he will. if he faces strict opposition from his entire military team and advisers, he won't do it. I would certainly hope that even a dope like him recognizes how serious nuclear war is. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,705
    edited August 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    as much as I feared he would do something like that, I don't think he will. if he faces strict opposition from his entire military team and advisers, he won't do it. I would certainly hope that even a dope like him recognizes how serious nuclear war is. 
    I agree. All that North Korea bluster was just more crap spewing out of his stupid face. There is no reasonable long-term plan that would include nuking them, and while I'm sure he is just DYING to press the big shiny red button like the moronic simpleton with no self control that he is, there are enough people involved who know that diplomacy is really the only viable solution (barring N. Korea nuking the US first) that he is likely to listen to them at the end of the day. Though sadly, I think his motivation in listening to such advice would be all about wanting to spare himself the headache than it would be to spare the world a nuclear war.

    (FWIW, if the NK nutcase goes more nuts first and does nuke US territory, then I suppose I figure the only possible response would be for the US to completely destroy N. Korea immediately, civilians be damned. Shitty, but what would the other option be? But anyway, I think Kim Jong Un knows that too, which is why I don't think he would make that move anyway)
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    as much as I feared he would do something like that, I don't think he will. if he faces strict opposition from his entire military team and advisers, he won't do it. I would certainly hope that even a dope like him recognizes how serious nuclear war is. 
    I always wondered if presidents held military might back? In other words, I was wondering if military officials had historically been more eager than presidents to exercise clout.

    I that is the case... it's the perfect storm.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    I don't think there is one general who would "like" to go to war with Trump as CIC. Except maybe Senator Tom "I'm a Warrior, Hear Me Roar" Cotton but he's not a general.
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  • PJ_Soul
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I don't think there is one general who would "like" to go to war with Trump as CIC. Except maybe Senator Tom "I'm a Warrior, Hear Me Roar" Cotton but he's not a general.
    For sure. I get the strong sense that all the US military leaders think Trump is a complete doofus, just like the rest of us do. I doubt they'd want to start anything serious with him at the helm. Trump would put all of their men at risk on a regular basis. You just KNOW Trump would end up divulging sensitive military intel during his many Twitter meltdowns, putting US soldiers at risk.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I don't think there is one general who would "like" to go to war with Trump as CIC. Except maybe Senator Tom "I'm a Warrior, Hear Me Roar" Cotton but he's not a general.
    For sure. I get the strong sense that all the US military leaders think Trump is a complete doofus, just like the rest of us do. I doubt they'd want to start anything serious with him at the helm. Trump would put all of their men at risk on a regular basis. You just KNOW Trump would end up divulging sensitive military intel during his many Twitter meltdowns, putting US soldiers at risk.
    You guys are giving military brass a lot of credit here. Throughout history, the risk of US soldiers has never been too much of a concern for those safely removed from the enemy.
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  • rgambs
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I don't think there is one general who would "like" to go to war with Trump as CIC. Except maybe Senator Tom "I'm a Warrior, Hear Me Roar" Cotton but he's not a general.
    For sure. I get the strong sense that all the US military leaders think Trump is a complete doofus, just like the rest of us do. I doubt they'd want to start anything serious with him at the helm. Trump would put all of their men at risk on a regular basis. You just KNOW Trump would end up divulging sensitive military intel during his many Twitter meltdowns, putting US soldiers at risk.
    You guys are giving military brass a lot of credit here. Throughout history, the risk of US soldiers has never been too much of a concern for those safely removed from the enemy.
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  • Lizard
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I don't think there is one general who would "like" to go to war with Trump as CIC. Except maybe Senator Tom "I'm a Warrior, Hear Me Roar" Cotton but he's not a general.
    For sure. I get the strong sense that all the US military leaders think Trump is a complete doofus, just like the rest of us do. I doubt they'd want to start anything serious with him at the helm. Trump would put all of their men at risk on a regular basis. You just KNOW Trump would end up divulging sensitive military intel during his many Twitter meltdowns, putting US soldiers at risk.
    You guys are giving military brass a lot of credit here. Throughout history, the risk of US soldiers has never been too much of a concern for those safely removed from the enemy.
    nor has it been the concern of draft dodgers....
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,705
    edited August 2017
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I don't think there is one general who would "like" to go to war with Trump as CIC. Except maybe Senator Tom "I'm a Warrior, Hear Me Roar" Cotton but he's not a general.
    For sure. I get the strong sense that all the US military leaders think Trump is a complete doofus, just like the rest of us do. I doubt they'd want to start anything serious with him at the helm. Trump would put all of their men at risk on a regular basis. You just KNOW Trump would end up divulging sensitive military intel during his many Twitter meltdowns, putting US soldiers at risk.
    You guys are giving military brass a lot of credit here. Throughout history, the risk of US soldiers has never been too much of a concern for those safely removed from the enemy.
    The risk of US soldiers due to some asshat revealing their own sensitive operation plans have ALWAYS been of great concern to them. Maybe not other risks, but they definitely care a lot about not sharing their operational plans so that the enemy knows what they are going to do.
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  • Go Beavers
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I don't think there is one general who would "like" to go to war with Trump as CIC. Except maybe Senator Tom "I'm a Warrior, Hear Me Roar" Cotton but he's not a general.
    For sure. I get the strong sense that all the US military leaders think Trump is a complete doofus, just like the rest of us do. I doubt they'd want to start anything serious with him at the helm. Trump would put all of their men at risk on a regular basis. You just KNOW Trump would end up divulging sensitive military intel during his many Twitter meltdowns, putting US soldiers at risk.
    You guys are giving military brass a lot of credit here. Throughout history, the risk of US soldiers has never been too much of a concern for those safely removed from the enemy.
    The risk of US soldiers due to some asshat revealing their own sensitive operation plans have ALWAYS been of great concern to them. Maybe not other risks, but they definitely care a lot about not sharing their operational plans so that the enemy knows what they are going to do.
    I'm sure they're waiting for Pence so they don't have to deal with trump's impulsivity and ignorance about things. And trump's known to be one of those types who is too heavily influenced by the last person he spoke with.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Remember that time when Trump said he knew more than all his generals? Remember that? Not having served an hour of active duty and he made that claim, remember that? Would you follow him into battle if you'd spent your lifetime working your way up the chain of command and having survived combat? Would you even respect him?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Remember that time when Trump said he knew more than all his generals? Remember that? Not having served an hour of active duty and he made that claim, remember that? Would you follow him into battle if you'd spent your lifetime working your way up the chain of command and having survived combat? Would you even respect him?
    I think enough people fought in Iraq knowing how bullshit that war was, but did it anyway out of their sworn duty to uphold the orders of the CIC. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,705
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Remember that time when Trump said he knew more than all his generals? Remember that? Not having served an hour of active duty and he made that claim, remember that? Would you follow him into battle if you'd spent your lifetime working your way up the chain of command and having survived combat? Would you even respect him?
    I think enough people fought in Iraq knowing how bullshit that war was, but did it anyway out of their sworn duty to uphold the orders of the CIC. 
    The Iraq war was not the same as nuclear war, nor is Bush comparable to Trump as a leader.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,537
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Remember that time when Trump said he knew more than all his generals? Remember that? Not having served an hour of active duty and he made that claim, remember that? Would you follow him into battle if you'd spent your lifetime working your way up the chain of command and having survived combat? Would you even respect him?
    I think enough people fought in Iraq knowing how bullshit that war was, but did it anyway out of their sworn duty to uphold the orders of the CIC. 
    The Iraq war was not the same as nuclear war, nor is Bush comparable to Trump as a leader.
    I wasn't saying that. I'm saying that people in the military follow orders. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,705
    edited August 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Remember that time when Trump said he knew more than all his generals? Remember that? Not having served an hour of active duty and he made that claim, remember that? Would you follow him into battle if you'd spent your lifetime working your way up the chain of command and having survived combat? Would you even respect him?
    I think enough people fought in Iraq knowing how bullshit that war was, but did it anyway out of their sworn duty to uphold the orders of the CIC. 
    The Iraq war was not the same as nuclear war, nor is Bush comparable to Trump as a leader.
    I wasn't saying that. I'm saying that people in the military follow orders. 
    I know what you're saying. I guess my response can be interpreted as 'everyone has a limit'. I think Trump would cause most of the military, and certainly its leaders, to reach that limit. They don't want a completely unhinged moron who has literally zero impulse control and a complete and total lack of understanding about how things work running the show any more than anyone else.
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  • mrussel1
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Remember that time when Trump said he knew more than all his generals? Remember that? Not having served an hour of active duty and he made that claim, remember that? Would you follow him into battle if you'd spent your lifetime working your way up the chain of command and having survived combat? Would you even respect him?
    I think enough people fought in Iraq knowing how bullshit that war was, but did it anyway out of their sworn duty to uphold the orders of the CIC. 
    The Iraq war was not the same as nuclear war, nor is Bush comparable to Trump as a leader.
    I wasn't saying that. I'm saying that people in the military follow orders. 
    And that's by design.  Civilian leadership of the military was a new and novel concept in 1783 and really separated us from the world.  It's one of the controls built into the gov't.  We are lucky the military has never tried a coup.  
  • Go Beavers
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    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Remember that time when Trump said he knew more than all his generals? Remember that? Not having served an hour of active duty and he made that claim, remember that? Would you follow him into battle if you'd spent your lifetime working your way up the chain of command and having survived combat? Would you even respect him?
    I think enough people fought in Iraq knowing how bullshit that war was, but did it anyway out of their sworn duty to uphold the orders of the CIC. 
    The Iraq war was not the same as nuclear war, nor is Bush comparable to Trump as a leader.
    I wasn't saying that. I'm saying that people in the military follow orders. 
    And that's by design.  Civilian leadership of the military was a new and novel concept in 1783 and really separated us from the world.  It's one of the controls built into the gov't.  We are lucky the military has never tried a coup.  
    I've always felt that the military has had such a overbearing presence in the White House that there's no real point to a military coup.  

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