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How much of his own money did he spend to get elected after pledging he'd spend $100MM of his own money to run for president?BS44325 said:
Trump didn't need money and spit on the old boys of the senate throughout his campaign. You're operating from the old playbook and don't recognize that this allows Trump to run as the outsider once again. That is his only asset...it is his only play. Once he becomes an establishment politician he is done. This type of behaviour ensures he gets to fight again in 2020.ledvedderman said:In light of the leak of my financial disclosure info which is a felony. I will be contacting @FBI and the @TheJusticeDept #swamp @Reince45
This is a Tweet from the new communications director, aka "Mooch".
So now it appears Reince is a target along with Sessions. Spicer, Reince, Sessions, and the high level communications staffer who got fired yesterday are all RNC folks. Trump is getting bad advice. I don't think it's a stretch to say a line in the sand is being drawn for Republicans. Whoever is advising the President should tell him that he needs Senate Republicans very much if he wants any hope of being re-elected. The Senate is a good old boy's club with life long membership. Sessions is their guy. Firing him over break would be DISASTROUS to that relationship. Then you go after RNC guys Spicer and Reince?!? There's some deep loyalty there all over Washington to a guy like Reince. Why? Because Reince can raise the fucking money like a champ. Honestly, I bet that's the only reason he's still around. For raising money for re-election. Or, perhaps, legal fund donations. I don't know the disclosure laws for that in regard to legal fees, but if there's a way to make it work- they will. And Reince would be perfect for that sell. The catch is, he needs to be the Chief still when doing that. I guarantee the comment that big donors will ask is, "what the hell is going on? Who is running the show?". Reince, as Chief of Staff, can assure them that he is still very involved and play the "if we weren't making a difference, would I stick around here?" card. That eases the donor and they send a check. If Reince leaves, a lot of loyal donors gobwith him. No matter where the money goes.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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It's been argued that Obama's decision wasn't "well fleshed out" at all. Again I am agnostic so a reversal at this stage doesn't offend me. But in terms of justifications with respect to spending this article from Politico seems to explain another angleoftenreading said:BS44325 said:
Well then you didn't read the above because the "right thing" on human rights is obvious. What is being questioned is what is the "right thing" with respect to military readiness in a life or death situation. That "right thing" has not been fully fleshed out even though I believe it lines up with the human rights position.oftenreading said:BS44325 said:
What the "right thing" and "wrong thing" are has not been determined. Nice try but....no.oftenreading said:BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
So, after discussion, study, and contemplation, Obama did the right thing. Now Trump is doing the wrong thing by reversing that, and yet somehow any objection to that decision is "emotional my team is better vomit". Nice try, but...... no.
Guess it's not surprising that some have trouble telling the "right thing" from the "wrong thing" when it comes to human rights.
Very strange, then, that the body of information on the effect of transgender service personnel on military readiness seemed fairly well fleshed out before the decision was taken during Obama's presidency and there's been no evidence brought forward since then to contradict that, yet suddenly republicans find a way to claim otherwise. And given that Trump's first stated reason was medical costs, not actual military readiness, your argument is a red herring. Estimated costs are a minimal part of the military budget, even the medical budget. Trump is appealing to his conservative base, plain and simple. There's no other justification for it.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990
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I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
That's your quote. You didn't specify during the campaign. Perhaps you need to be a little clearer in your posts?
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I am not answering for 6 months.Halifax2TheMax said:
How much of his own money did he spend to get elected after pledging he'd spend $100MM of his own money to run for president?BS44325 said:
Trump didn't need money and spit on the old boys of the senate throughout his campaign. You're operating from the old playbook and don't recognize that this allows Trump to run as the outsider once again. That is his only asset...it is his only play. Once he becomes an establishment politician he is done. This type of behaviour ensures he gets to fight again in 2020.ledvedderman said:In light of the leak of my financial disclosure info which is a felony. I will be contacting @FBI and the @TheJusticeDept #swamp @Reince45
This is a Tweet from the new communications director, aka "Mooch".
So now it appears Reince is a target along with Sessions. Spicer, Reince, Sessions, and the high level communications staffer who got fired yesterday are all RNC folks. Trump is getting bad advice. I don't think it's a stretch to say a line in the sand is being drawn for Republicans. Whoever is advising the President should tell him that he needs Senate Republicans very much if he wants any hope of being re-elected. The Senate is a good old boy's club with life long membership. Sessions is their guy. Firing him over break would be DISASTROUS to that relationship. Then you go after RNC guys Spicer and Reince?!? There's some deep loyalty there all over Washington to a guy like Reince. Why? Because Reince can raise the fucking money like a champ. Honestly, I bet that's the only reason he's still around. For raising money for re-election. Or, perhaps, legal fund donations. I don't know the disclosure laws for that in regard to legal fees, but if there's a way to make it work- they will. And Reince would be perfect for that sell. The catch is, he needs to be the Chief still when doing that. I guarantee the comment that big donors will ask is, "what the hell is going on? Who is running the show?". Reince, as Chief of Staff, can assure them that he is still very involved and play the "if we weren't making a difference, would I stick around here?" card. That eases the donor and they send a check. If Reince leaves, a lot of loyal donors gobwith him. No matter where the money goes.0 -
I don't think Trump will be able to get away with what he did in 2016 in 2020. And when you're President of the United States- you're an establishment politician. He can't run on that again. So not only is he going to run as an established politician, but a BAD one. There's not a whole lot to run on at the moment. Certainly nothing has been accomplished that I would advise one of my candidates to hitch their wagon to. There's still plenty of time, but that's why he can't lose the support of the senators. He needs them and I bet if a guy like Ben Sasse runs in the primary...he will get the support of many GOP senators over Trump.
And if you don't think money matters, you're crazy. Please don't tell me you still think he was self funded last year.0 -
Which was a response to "How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on". Seriously. What is wrong with you people? Clearly you are not oftenreading.oftenreading said:
I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
That's your quote. You didn't specify during the campaign. Perhaps you need to be a little clearer in your posts?
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Where do you get off on putting "during the campaign" in quotes and accusing me of not being able to follow along? Why don't you quote my full statement in context rather than a portion of it and try to make it something it's not? Do you deny that Trump campaigned on doing everything he could to protect LGBTQ rights? Do you deny that he unequivocally stated he had done more to protect those rights through deeds while accusing Hillary of just uttering words? Do you deny that Trump supported bathroom choice? You are slippery, I'll give you that. And entertaining.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
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He will run on that again and you're setting him up to do it. Ben Sasse hammered him forever and it didn't matter...it still doesn't. Ted Cruz told conservatives to vote their conscience and it didn't make one lick of difference. All Trump needs is twitter and fuel for his airplane to run a campaign. Victory is by no means guaranteed but he will chart the same path.ledvedderman said:I don't think Trump will be able to get away with what he did in 2016 in 2020. And when you're President of the United States- you're an establishment politician. He can't run on that again. So not only is he going to run as an established politician, but a BAD one. There's not a whole lot to run on at the moment. Certainly nothing has been accomplished that I would advise one of my candidates to hitch their wagon to. There's still plenty of time, but that's why he can't lose the support of the senators. He needs them and I bet if a guy like Ben Sasse runs in the primary...he will get the support of many GOP senators over Trump.
And if you don't think money matters, you're crazy. Please don't tell me you still think he was self funded last year.0 -
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Can you answer the original question posed to you?BS44325 said:
Which was a response to "How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on". Seriously. What is wrong with you people? Clearly you are not oftenreading.oftenreading said:
I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
That's your quote. You didn't specify during the campaign. Perhaps you need to be a little clearer in your posts?
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Most incumbent presidents run on their record. Trump won't have one except for a train wreck of an administration. Plus, impeachment hearings will have begun by then.BS44325 said:
He will run on that again and you're setting him up to do it. Ben Sasse hammered him forever and it didn't matter...it still doesn't. Ted Cruz told conservatives to vote their conscience and it didn't make one lick of difference. All Trump needs is twitter and fuel for his airplane to run a campaign. Victory is by no means guaranteed but he will chart the same path.ledvedderman said:I don't think Trump will be able to get away with what he did in 2016 in 2020. And when you're President of the United States- you're an establishment politician. He can't run on that again. So not only is he going to run as an established politician, but a BAD one. There's not a whole lot to run on at the moment. Certainly nothing has been accomplished that I would advise one of my candidates to hitch their wagon to. There's still plenty of time, but that's why he can't lose the support of the senators. He needs them and I bet if a guy like Ben Sasse runs in the primary...he will get the support of many GOP senators over Trump.
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You say Ben Sasse didn't have an impact last cycle, but was Sasse on the ballot for President in 2016?0
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BS44325 said:
Which was a response to "How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on". Seriously. What is wrong with you people? Clearly you are not oftenreading.oftenreading said:
I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
That's your quote. You didn't specify during the campaign. Perhaps you need to be a little clearer in your posts?
Ha! Couldn't come up with any other way out of that mistake, could you?
Your post was ambiguous; easily taken to mean what it in fact said, and not some narrower version you wish it said.
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Where do I get off? You asked me how do I reconcile the "BS Trump campaigned on" To which I responded that I don't recall Trump taking a stand on transgendered serving in the military specifically. Well did he? You seem to have dodged that question. I can't recall whether he stated he would keep the current policy, whether he would "listen to the generals", or whether he ignored the issue altogether but linking the military service issue to general statements with respect to LGBT rights is not evidence of BS.Halifax2TheMax said:
Where do you get off on putting "during the campaign" in quotes and accusing me of not being able to follow along? Why don't you quote my full statement in context rather than a portion of it and try to make it something it's not? Do you deny that Trump campaigned on doing everything he could to protect LGBTQ rights? Do you deny that he unequivocally stated he had done more to protect those rights through deeds while accusing Hillary of just uttering words? Do you deny that Trump supported bathroom choice? You are slippery, I'll give you that. And entertaining.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
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He won't answer for six months. Entertaining that way.oftenreading said:BS44325 said:
Which was a response to "How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on". Seriously. What is wrong with you people? Clearly you are not oftenreading.oftenreading said:
I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
That's your quote. You didn't specify during the campaign. Perhaps you need to be a little clearer in your posts?
Ha! Couldn't come up with any other way out of that mistake, could you?
Your post was ambiguous; easily taken to mean what it in fact said, and not some narrower version you wish it said.
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Ahhh...so Sasse didn't matter because he wasn't on the ballot...right. He didn't matter for the same reason the other candidates didn't matter...they were ineffective and didn't connect with the crossover white Obama voters. Those voters gave Trump the rustbelt and you're crazy if you think a Sasse primary campaign will have any meaningful effect.ledvedderman said:You say Ben Sasse didn't have an impact last cycle, but was Sasse on the ballot for President in 2016?Post edited by BS44325 on0 -
A way out? The infancy of the AMT on full display tonight. You didn't read Halifax statement of the supposed BS Trump campaigned on so didn't know I was responding to that. It is either lack of reading or poor reading comprehension. My post was not ambiguous if you were paying attention.oftenreading said:BS44325 said:
Which was a response to "How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on". Seriously. What is wrong with you people? Clearly you are not oftenreading.oftenreading said:
I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
That's your quote. You didn't specify during the campaign. Perhaps you need to be a little clearer in your posts?
Ha! Couldn't come up with any other way out of that mistake, could you?
Your post was ambiguous; easily taken to mean what it in fact said, and not some narrower version you wish it said.
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The 6 month review period is just for you. It gives you a chance to fully flesh out your questions.Halifax2TheMax said:
He won't answer for six months. Entertaining that way.oftenreading said:BS44325 said:
Which was a response to "How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on". Seriously. What is wrong with you people? Clearly you are not oftenreading.oftenreading said:
I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
That's your quote. You didn't specify during the campaign. Perhaps you need to be a little clearer in your posts?
Ha! Couldn't come up with any other way out of that mistake, could you?
Your post was ambiguous; easily taken to mean what it in fact said, and not some narrower version you wish it said.
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I think this is exactly the angle he will play during re-election. All he's shown so far is that the politicians and career republicans he put in positions of influence and control aren't making any in roads with his agenda. He maintains his plausible deniability and can separate himself from almost all his policy and legislative failings. A reasonable person would see that he is the problem, but those die hard base supporters will believe that he is still an outsider not being allowed to MAGA. If he holds that 36% of the country it will be tough for any other republican candidate to oust him and the democrats will need someone who inspires voters.BS44325 said:
He will run on that again and you're setting him up to do it. Ben Sasse hammered him forever and it didn't matter...it still doesn't. Ted Cruz told conservatives to vote their conscience and it didn't make one lick of difference. All Trump needs is twitter and fuel for his airplane to run a campaign. Victory is by no means guaranteed but he will chart the same path.ledvedderman said:I don't think Trump will be able to get away with what he did in 2016 in 2020. And when you're President of the United States- you're an establishment politician. He can't run on that again. So not only is he going to run as an established politician, but a BAD one. There's not a whole lot to run on at the moment. Certainly nothing has been accomplished that I would advise one of my candidates to hitch their wagon to. There's still plenty of time, but that's why he can't lose the support of the senators. He needs them and I bet if a guy like Ben Sasse runs in the primary...he will get the support of many GOP senators over Trump.
And if you don't think money matters, you're crazy. Please don't tell me you still think he was self funded last year.
Then all those republicans will have to come crawling back to kiss his ass, which is why none of them will take a stand. They all fear that going against him will draw the ire of that 36% and cost them their seat. I don't doubt that almost all of them are rooting for Mueller to take his ass out, which is another reason to wait quietly.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
It's one thing to have been fooled into voting for Trump. It's another thing altogether to still be supporting this epic disaster 6 months in.BS44325 said:
A stand "during the campaign". Do you even read your own posts? How can I respond to you when you don't even know what you are writing? You should institute a 6 month review period for everything you write...then you just might be able to follow along. Brilliance. Zero entertainment.Halifax2TheMax said:
He basically just fired every transgendered service member via tweet and you're unsure on whether Trump took a stance on the issue? Where do you get your news from? Do you need PJFan to post the Tweet? The military asked for a six month extension of the review period. They didn't ask for a ban. Caught of guard. McMaster supported the policy and the Rand Corporation study determined that the costs were negligible. Trump's blowing more shit out his ass and you seem confused as to Trump's policy?BS44325 said:
I'm not sure what you mean? I could be wrong but I don't believe he took a stance on transgendered in the military specifically. I am also not sure that the pentagon was caught off guard...maybe on the timing of the announcement but not necessarily the policy.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea sure. How do you reconcile all the BS Trump campaigned on, evidence to the contrary and the pentagon being caught off guard? Fitting screen name or more brilliance?BS44325 said:
Right and transgendered in the military is only a one year old policy that most people didn't even have on their radar screen. The AMT was not offended by the seven years they were banned under Obama so I am not buying the outrage that it's offended today. This is just another one of the phony Trump is Hitler for returning to the original Obama policy. My answer above is a real answer on the issue. Everybody else's stance is emotional "my team is better" vomit.gimmesometruth27 said:
none if this is relevant to the conversation. these things happened in the 1990s. you can evolve and change your views on issues. those that don't evolve with the emergence of new facts and new information are actually the stupid ones.BS44325 said:
About the same as most Democrats felt about Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, his Defence of Marriage Act, or Obama's same policy on transgendered in the military until he altered it just one year ago.mfc2006 said:I'm curious how the Trump supporters feel about his anti-transgender stance.
Im genuinely interested. Please explain.
when all else fails, bring up hillary or bill clinton.
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