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They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. Nice
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Ahhh, makes Pence....I mean sense.oftenreading said:dignin said:
That's not being fair to genital warts. I would much rather have genital warts than Trump.oftenreading said:
Guess I wasn't clear. I meant that if you've had Trump, you probably have genital warts.0 -
NHalifax2TheMax said:Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".0 -
Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.0 -
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.dignin said:Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.0 -
Is any talking head on the left still talking about Berkeley? It's the right that won't let it go and if the roles were reversed would be using it as a battle cry. Nothing wrong with being intolerant of intolerance, which is what Anne coulter and her ilk are about, "whites only" should be okay. Fuck that. And her.mrussel1 said:
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.dignin said:Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You just proved my point. A leftist publication calling out a leftist television personality. Give me the rights equivalent of calling out David duke or Anne coulter or Alex Jones or rushbo or Glenn beck, remember him?mrussel1 said:
NHalifax2TheMax said:Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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It happened. I don't care who talks about it and who doesn't. Think of this as your family and whether you're okay with it or not. Is it okay jyst because your neighbor is worse? Not in my book. I don't want my party to just not be as bad as the other one.0
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A lone gunman is just that. Lone. He speaks only for himself.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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The article was about white men, withMaher being the example. I found it to be intolerant and unforgiving. That's the issue.Halifax2TheMax said:
You just proved my point. A leftist publication calling out a leftist television personality. Give me the rights equivalent of calling out David duke or Anne coulter or Alex Jones or rushbo or Glenn beck, remember him?mrussel1 said:
NHalifax2TheMax said:Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".0 -
Of course the left has it's issues. Always has and always will, and the sane left should always guard against the nuts. I don't know if I would count the Berkeley riots as a perfect example, they rioted against Milo and protested against Anne. From what I understand those were anarchists that rioted, not really a part of a left movement.mrussel1 said:
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.dignin said:Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.Post edited by dignin on0 -
They're not even close in comparison. Gee, I haven't heard any of the right's condemnation of those idiotic anti-sharia protests that happened. Like sharia law is going to subvert the constitution in this country. WTO, yea that has real world consequences for people and the environment.mrussel1 said:It happened. I don't care who talks about it and who doesn't. Think of this as your family and whether you're okay with it or not. Is it okay jyst because your neighbor is worse? Not in my book. I don't want my party to just not be as bad as the other one.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Government provided insuranceTiki said:Not to politicize the issue, but Steve Scalise made his choices perfectly clear, and proudly so. Scalise has an A+ rating from the NRA and boasts about it. He voted to let the mentally ill buy guns. Mere weeks after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook that tore apart and killed 20 children, and the 6 adults trying to protect them, Scalise criticized VP Joe Biden for suggesting that the White House even pursue gun control. He was a vocal critic of Obama's suggestion to go after gun trafficking. He supported the bill to allow the sale of silencers and armor piercing bullets. WHY would anyone need a silencer?? Why armor piercing bullets?? THIS is madness. Please let's not be hypocritical and let those same R's insert an this tragedy narrative for a man who VOTED FOR EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM. Is his life more important than a single one of those first graders at Sandy Hook? No.
Thank God he has decent insurance.
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Mostly I agree. But in todays world I think it's a bit more complicated then that. Most of these "loan gunman" easily find people who agree with them on the internet. So there are plenty of others this crazy bully was speaking for unfortunately.Tiki said:A lone gunman is just that. Lone. He speaks only for himself.
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The left has been intolerant. Both fringes have been for a while and continue to get worse.mrussel1 said:
NHalifax2TheMax said:Please show me the liberal version of the truthers and the birthers claiming the Scalise shooting was a right wing false flag event to take the news cycle off of Trump and/or get the repubs to finally go along with the Dems to seize your guns. The shooter? He doesn't exist as he's not in the phone book.
The point I made is that the left is becoming intolerant too. You've made this about the leaders and elected officials and your arguments center around it. That's not what I said. For the left, the intolerance starts at the grass roots and it is starting to impose its own purity tests. You saw it here for yourself with the intolerance of Free before he got banned. That mindset is growing and it risks alienating the moderates in the party. Go to Huffington and read the article entitled "Bill Maher is s dangerous white man".hippiemom = goodness0 -
Oh really. You are practicing complete avoidance of some of the rhetoric that appears on this forum every single day. When Dylan Roof murdered a bunch of people his mental illness was the least of anybody's concerns...it was all about the confederate flag and generally the conservatives of South Carolina agreed. Sorry for making you uncomfortable.my2hands said:When you kill people... especially in this fashion... something tells me they are crazy... unstable... sick... mentally ill... whatever you want to call it... just like the whacks that kill abortion doctors... they are crazy... plenty of pro lifers out there not killing anybody bro...
You don't see me shooting anybody do you? I doubt you're going to shoot Nancy Pelosi anytime soon?
When a guy gets fired and goes back and kills someone... do you think it's simply because he was fired? Or just maybe there are underlying causes... Stop being so simplistic brother... you're borderline trolling at this point0 -
Why do you insist on arguing about everything? All mrussel is stating is that the extreme left should be seen as an entity which needs work, alongside the extreme right. What's so harmful about that? Are the two mutually exclusive, regardless of the magnitude of the work needed on each side?Halifax2TheMax said:
They're not even close in comparison. Gee, I haven't heard any of the right's condemnation of those idiotic anti-sharia protests that happened. Like sharia law is going to subvert the constitution in this country. WTO, yea that has real world consequences for people and the environment.mrussel1 said:It happened. I don't care who talks about it and who doesn't. Think of this as your family and whether you're okay with it or not. Is it okay jyst because your neighbor is worse? Not in my book. I don't want my party to just not be as bad as the other one.
If you don't fix the party which would hold substantial power if Trump fails, then this cycle of rising dissent and susceptibility to a person who claims to hold the keys to 100% success will come yet again, and so far the trend isn't ideal. Nixon, Bush, Trump... who comes next if the DNC doesn't have their shit together and seize control?
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At least you're honest about it...but sorry...that line of speaking is responsible and you are a contributor to the cesspool that radicalized this man. When someone is "evil" or "parallel hitler" then it becomes very easy for a normal person to act violently to stop that "evil".PJ_Soul said:
Yes, I'm still okay with calling evil people evil. Nothing will ever change that. So I gather from your question that you think people should ignore evil or pretend it isn't there in order to pander to insane people so that they don't go on a shooting rampage? You act as though I (and Kat I suppose) are using the word evil as hyperbole. I don't know about Kat, but I wasn't. I think it is fucking ludicrous that you think people calling a spade a spade is to blame for a terrorist attack, lol.BS44325 said:
After today of all days are you still ok with using the term "evil"? It is that kind of talk that leads stupid people to do violent things in the name of justice.PJ_Soul said:
Oh please. What, is it beyond your scope of perception to understand that the POTUS could be evil?? It's not like it's beyond the realm of reason, and all evidence points towards it. Also, I'm pretty sure moderators are allowed to have opinions too.BS44325 said:
Yes it is. As a moderator you should at a minimum know that.Kat said:Evil is not too strong a word any longer.0 -
Yes. It is Trump's fault. Of course. That is what the shooter believed as well.PJ_Soul said:
Calling someone evil "evil" is not dehumanizing. Nor is calling someone out when some of what they do parallels some of what Hitler does. Sorry, your line of thinking here is fucked up. You are now trying to say that people shouldn't be honest about their viewpoints because they should be scared that the truth will make people do crazy shit. Where is your head at?? Again, when people say those things they are being serious, not hyperbolic. You know who is to blame, besides the shooter himself and/or his mental illness? NOT the people who state what they believe to be true about Trump. TRUMP is responsible. It is his actions that lead to people calling him out. If you think the people speaking their minds about Trump's DEPLORABLE behaviour are the cause of such an attack, and not Trump for his deplorable behaviour, then maybe you should give your head a shake. Sorry, but it actually makes me feel a little sick to the stomach to know that you want to blame the ones you're clearly blaming. SICK. You know what is the scariest thing about your statement? That there is a possibility that many others are thinking the same - that those who oppose Trump are responsible for this attack. Do you have any idea how totally hypocritical you are being with this idea of yours??BS44325 said:
Politicizing a tragedy? The attack itself was political. It was politicized the minute that bernie bro pulled the trigger. To make the point that many on the left and right need to own up to their rhetoric is absolutely necessary. I have in fact been making this point for months and it is why i take offense to calling people "evil" or "parallel hitler" or suggesting that somebody who wants to repeal Obamacare "literally wants to kill people". Those who you disagree with do not need to be dehumanized. If this type of talk continues then these type of events will only continue. A country cannot last under these conditions.my2hands said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I don't recall any libs on these forums spouting such hysteria when Gabriel Gifford was shot. Nothing like politicizing a tragedy for your personal ax grinding.BS44325 said:
I didn't realize I was in hiding but being a conservative maybe I should be?dignin said:Must be a good presidential day for Trump if BS has come out of AMT hiding.
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They aren't talking about Berkeley because they have moved on to Evergreen College.Halifax2TheMax said:
Is any talking head on the left still talking about Berkeley? It's the right that won't let it go and if the roles were reversed would be using it as a battle cry. Nothing wrong with being intolerant of intolerance, which is what Anne coulter and her ilk are about, "whites only" should be okay. Fuck that. And her.mrussel1 said:
yet that doesn't make the left blameless nor does it mean that it isn't entering a dangerous period. Just because the left has nothing comparable doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. It does and we can't be blind to those issues. The Berkeley situation is a perfect example. You don't riot because you don't likeAnne Coulters message.dignin said:Alex Jones is entering the mainstream on the right. The man has the ear of the President, who is also a nutter. The President still has the support of the vast majority of republicans....both the leaders and voters.
It's a non-contest. The right has gone mainstream crazy. The left has nothing comparable.0
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