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HughFreakingDillon said:in my experience the rules are administered and enforced depending on the priest. if you get a progressive one, they don't adhere to that BS. if you get a fundamentalist, they do.
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PJ_Soul said:My sister and I aren't baptized (why would we be, right?), but my sister married a guy who was a non-practicing Catholic, and then divorced him. Then the guy tried to marry another Catholic, and the church wouldn't let him get married again because he was divorced, lol, but from a non-Catholic marriage. So the only way around it was to get the Catholic Church to ceremonially annul the first marriage, but without the participation of my sister. And the only way the Church would annul it for him was to confirm that he had married an unbaptized woman... apparently, his marriage to my sister was considered illegitimate by the Church because she was never baptized, as well as because they didn't marry under the Church. So he simply asked me if she'd been baptized and I said no.... and that was supposedly enough proof as far as the Catholic Church is concerned - no proof necessary - and it annulled a marriage that never even happened with the Church in the first place (presumably, they would have refused to marry them if they'd asked, unless my sister got baptized). A Justice of the Peace married them. I am not sure where in the fuck the Catholic Church gets off doing that to be honest. My sister never agreed to any form of annulment ... somehow she didn't matter at all to the Catholic Church because she wasn't baptized, but at the same time she mattered enough for the Church to "rule" the marriage she was in as illegitimate. Why in the hell does the Church have to "annul" a marriage that they also supposedly don't acknowledge since it was never sanctioned by them in the first place? So incredibly stupid. It really makes no sense. Plus, the whole thing is obviously so lax - you can apparently tell them whatever you want and they just go ahead without proving anything, which simply proves that even the Church knows its full of shit.
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I was baptized when I was one year old, no permission given.
i keep the Bible cause my Gramma gave it to me, I have another one I got from the Gideon's and keep it for nolstagic Rocky Racoon reasons.
i sometimes think that creating a human, being born is a miracle albeit biological, and dying might be the same, just doesn't look that way. So many things we think we have it figured out thru either science or theory, only to realize in hindsight that we didn't have it figured out at all, so I guess I might look at it like that. Don't really know exactly how my spirit came into this world and I'm not sure how it will go out, but "I'll ride the wave where it takes me".
id like to hear from people that believe in God, that had no religious upbringing. What was their journey that brought them to believe?
yes good talk.
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Another good reason to keep a Bible is for its literary value. For all its bullshit and way too many begats, it is a pretty stunning work of literature that demands respect in the academic and artistic sense.
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There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there. Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals). Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses. One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there. Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot. You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh. So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER". It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers. It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him. That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You. Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't. But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church. And
Oh yes yes my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!! By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag. If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse. And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.Post edited by RYME on0 -
PJ_Soul said:Yet more proof that the whole thing is bullshit. Picking and choosing like that ... I don't understand how any Catholic can think about the Church and all its arbitrary rules and keep a straight face about it.
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I like how this thread is about (or started out as) the concept of god, vs. religion(s)...though I guess they can be intertwined. Don't have to be, but often are.
The OP is a good man, one who I think ponders much, is sometimes hard on himself, has immense love for his family. And is open-minded.
Guess in the end, I'm OK with being agnostic / not knowing (what IS the correct term?). I've had fun poked at me over the years for this from others firm in their beliefs in response to my...unfirm ones. Not a euphemism, by the wayOthers seeing this differently than I help me to do the same in turn. Minds don't have to meld on this itself or anything else, really, but many a time, just the effort aids the conversation.
I keep sensing there's some connection of energy, of wavelengths, whether living to living, living to not. I'm certainly open to that...almost welcome it...and doesn't seem non-sensical to me.. Who knows if that's some form of god? Not sure I'd want to use someone else's definition since I don't even know my own.
As mentioned earlier here or somewhere else - when I die, take whatever usable parts of me that will do good in some way, then either cremate my remains or put me in the ground, Nate Fisher style.
Or Willie Nelson style
Thanks for a great read this far, all.
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RYME said:There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there. Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals). Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses. One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there. Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot. You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh. So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER". It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers. It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him. That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You. Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't. But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church. And
Oh yes yes my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!! By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag. If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse. And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.RYME said:There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there. Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals). Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses. One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there. Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER". It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers. It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him. That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You. Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If your stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't. But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church. And
Oh yes yes my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the $-hat-$ around for donation$!! By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag. If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse. And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.
If all of this helps even one person, I would be thrilled.0 -
RYME said:There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there. Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals). Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses. One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there. Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot. You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh. So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER". It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers. It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him. That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You. Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't. But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church. And
Oh yes yes my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!! By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag. If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse. And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.
What happens to someone who dies that doesn't believe in god/jesus?Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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RYME said:The King James Bible was completed in 1611. The 1611 KJB was written in Old English so it wouldn't be a good study bible. The significance of it is this.
The people who put it together did everything thing they could to translate every word from the manuscripts. From Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic to English. There is a letter at the beginning of a 1611 KJB. Stating that they made every effort to get every word right. But they knew on some words, that there was a chance or likely hood that they just might get a translation flat wrong here or there. So they suggest to check out any word that doesn't make sense. That is why in addition to a standard King James Bible it is helpful to have a
Dr. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. Where buy every word in the Bible is in there, next to the original word and definition. A quick example, most people have heard that God took the rib out of Adam and created Eve. That word (rib) always had me puzzled. I could not picture in my head a man named Adam laying on the ground with some Being taking a boney bloody rib out of his chest in creating a woman out of that it didn't make sense to me.
So I finally checked the word (RIB) out in the Strong's exhaustive Concordance and you will find that the original Hebrew translated to English the word was (CURVE)(not RIB.) So maby God took the Helix Curve out of the man Adam and made a feminine mate if you will, for Adam.. Maby God knew about DNA and stem cells long before the scientists discovered it recently. And women are definitely curvier than men. Make sense to me.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
On the one hand, it's not necessary or nice to mock people.
On the other hand...
It's really fucking annoying and Sometimes infuriating that I am expected to be accepting of people's delusions simply because they are shared by many.
I'm not going to sit and listen to a Nazi say, "I believe Hitler, we are the superior race and we need to exterminate the inferior races".
I'm not going to put on my PC voice and say, "well, I disagree, but I respect your belief."
Bullshit, I'm telling the Nazi they are full of shit and they can fuck off unless they are hungry for knuckles.
Same goes for Goddies, minus the knuckles.
Yes, I did compare God to Hitler, and it is an apt comparison.
They both positioned themselves as the father of all, they both spent far too much time talking about superior races and chosen people, and they both personally orchestrated genocides.Post edited by rgambs onMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
rgambs said:On the one hand, it's not necessary or nice to mock people.
On the other hand...
It's really fucking annoying and Sometimes infuriating that I am expected to be accepting of people's delusions simply because they are shared by many.
I'm not going to sit and listen to a Nazi say, "I believe Hitler, we are the superior race and we need to exterminate the inferior races".
I'm not going to put on my PC voice and say, "well, I disagree, but I respect your belief."
Bullshit, I'm telling the Nazi they are full of shit and they can fuck off unless they are hungry for knuckles.
Same goes for Goddies, minus the knuckles.
Yes, I did compare God to Hitler, and it is an apt comparison.
They both positioned themselves as the father of all, they both spent far too much time talking about superior races and chosen people, and they both personally orchestrated genocides.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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RYME said:There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there. Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals). Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses. One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there. Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot. You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh. So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER". It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers. It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him. That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You. Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't. But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church. And
Oh yes yes my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!! By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag. If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse. And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.
I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
hedonist said:I like how this thread is about (or started out as) the concept of god, vs. religion(s)...though I guess they can be intertwined. Don't have to be, but often are.
The OP is a good man, one who I think ponders much, is sometimes hard on himself, has immense love for his family. And is open-minded.
Guess in the end, I'm OK with being agnostic / not knowing (what IS the correct term?). I've had fun poked at me over the years for this from others firm in their beliefs in response to my...unfirm ones. Not a euphemism, by the wayOthers seeing this differently than I help me to do the same in turn. Minds don't have to meld on this itself or anything else, really, but many a time, just the effort aids the conversation.
I keep sensing there's some connection of energy, of wavelengths, whether living to living, living to not. I'm certainly open to that...almost welcome it...and doesn't seem non-sensical to me.. Who knows if that's some form of god? Not sure I'd want to use someone else's definition since I don't even know my own.
As mentioned earlier here or somewhere else - when I die, take whatever usable parts of me that will do good in some way, then either cremate my remains or put me in the ground, Nate Fisher style.
Or Willie Nelson style
Thanks for a great read this far, all.
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Anyone not raised with a religion and came around to believe in God? If so, how did it happen? Just trying to stay on track with OP.
I'm okay with not knowing. There are so many things I don't know and won't before my time comes.
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HughFreakingDillon said:see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain.
I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?
Here is the thing, He Loves You. He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience. And yes sir he has time for you.Post edited by RYME on0 -
RYME said:Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you. You might leave Him. But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You. He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience. And yes sir he has time for you.
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I think Hugh knows the answer to that question.Oh please let it rain today.
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.0 -
rgambs said:That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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HughFreakingDillon said:doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything.
I'm not the judge. My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.0
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