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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:

    But Jenny McCarthy told me not to do it and she's famous.

    That's a compelling argument.
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  • whispering hands
    whispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    But Jenny McCarthy told me not to do it and she's famous.

    That's a compelling argument.
    Besides.. 90% of FB users say it is a gov'mnt e-ssperiment to implement mind control.. I say the gov'ment conspiracy is a conspiracy.. but what do I know.. I don't use FB.. :lol:
  • JS81606
    JS81606 Posts: 73
    I find that most if not all individuals are misinformed on vaccinations. The research is present and up to date that demonstrates vaccination causes a slew of diseases. If one we were to pub med, and look up Lupus, 2009 Nov;18(13):198-204, they would read how vaccination is associated with transverse myelitis. Compared to measles, mumps, pertussis(whooping cough) this condition is devastating. But if not your kid, who cares. Another, Clin Chim Acta. 2006 Feb;364(1-2):196-204. Epub 2005 Aug 10, Am J Dis Child, 1984 Oct;138(10);908-11, Neurology. 2004 Sep 14;63(5):838-42, I could go on and on with the research (medical, not chiropractic or naturopath) that shows vaccines are not as safe as people are led to believe. I meet more individuals who know more about their ipod than they know what they are jabbing into their child. (currently Mr Kennedy and De Niro are offering $100,000 for one (1) article that shows/ demonstrates the safety of vaccines/ thimerosol) Quick cash if you ask me, so far two months in and no takers! Many posts showing support of vaccines, but where is the research that supports this? I have asked a pediatrician to name the components of a vaccine, I get a blank stare and a handout that says nothing but what the FDA & CDC want one to know. Really? My mechanic can name everything under my vehicles hood and size of bolts, nuts, and oil ratings, and etc... but a doctor cannot tell me what is in a vaccine. Interesting. And I thot the medical profession were professsionals. First law of biology says adapt or die! We foolishly think we are saving our children only to find out the organisms we vaccinate against are already adapting and moving forward. (outbreaks......why most outbreaks involve vaccinated children...read the reports, not the news agency who are being told what to say...the health department only reports facts and not emotions.) If they worked, why boosters? One bout of chicken pox and immune for life. Three jabs to do the same? Does not make medical sense, or evolutionary sense. If we had to have chicken pox 3 times to survive, we would have faded years ago on the savannah of Africa. Just not efficient for life. But for a food source...very good for the lions and other large predators. Ever ask a doctor (medical) about the immune system and viruses? If no, then do so. They learn theory on both, not actual.They miss the science to study how to relate to pharma reps, which in itself is not bad, but until they show proof vaccines are safe, as Mr Kennedy is attempting to do, then I will consider for my children. The human mind is very simple, and easily led astray. how do I know, I observe what is happening around me. Anything mandated by government agencies is the first step in the wrong direction for humanity. I end my rant.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    JS81606 said:

    I find that most if not all individuals are misinformed on vaccinations. The research is present and up to date that demonstrates vaccination causes a slew of diseases. If one we were to pub med, and look up Lupus, 2009 Nov;18(13):198-204, they would read how vaccination is associated with transverse myelitis. Compared to measles, mumps, pertussis(whooping cough) this condition is devastating. But if not your kid, who cares. Another, Clin Chim Acta. 2006 Feb;364(1-2):196-204. Epub 2005 Aug 10, Am J Dis Child, 1984 Oct;138(10);908-11, Neurology. 2004 Sep 14;63(5):838-42, I could go on and on with the research (medical, not chiropractic or naturopath) that shows vaccines are not as safe as people are led to believe. I meet more individuals who know more about their ipod than they know what they are jabbing into their child. (currently Mr Kennedy and De Niro are offering $100,000 for one (1) article that shows/ demonstrates the safety of vaccines/ thimerosol) Quick cash if you ask me, so far two months in and no takers! Many posts showing support of vaccines, but where is the research that supports this? I have asked a pediatrician to name the components of a vaccine, I get a blank stare and a handout that says nothing but what the FDA & CDC want one to know. Really? My mechanic can name everything under my vehicles hood and size of bolts, nuts, and oil ratings, and etc... but a doctor cannot tell me what is in a vaccine. Interesting. And I thot the medical profession were professsionals. First law of biology says adapt or die! We foolishly think we are saving our children only to find out the organisms we vaccinate against are already adapting and moving forward. (outbreaks......why most outbreaks involve vaccinated children...read the reports, not the news agency who are being told what to say...the health department only reports facts and not emotions.) If they worked, why boosters? One bout of chicken pox and immune for life. Three jabs to do the same? Does not make medical sense, or evolutionary sense. If we had to have chicken pox 3 times to survive, we would have faded years ago on the savannah of Africa. Just not efficient for life. But for a food source...very good for the lions and other large predators. Ever ask a doctor (medical) about the immune system and viruses? If no, then do so. They learn theory on both, not actual.They miss the science to study how to relate to pharma reps, which in itself is not bad, but until they show proof vaccines are safe, as Mr Kennedy is attempting to do, then I will consider for my children. The human mind is very simple, and easily led astray. how do I know, I observe what is happening around me. Anything mandated by government agencies is the first step in the wrong direction for humanity. I end my rant.

    First, as someone said above, thimersol (mercury) is not used in any childhood vaccinations, so that point is irrelevant to this discussion.

    Second, life is risk. Being alive involves risk. Eating, sleeping, walking, bathing; all involve risk. Driving or being driven in a car involves far higher risk that getting vaccinated. Of course no one can show that vaccines are "safe", if you are asking for 100% safety. Nothing in life is. By any objective measure, based on a multitude of studies, the benefits outweigh the risks.

    I don't really know what you are referring to in most of the rest of your post, particularly "they learn theory on both, not actual", so I'll just stop here with my two points above.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    JS81606 said:

    I find that most if not all individuals are misinformed on vaccinations. The research is present and up to date that demonstrates vaccination causes a slew of diseases. If one we were to pub med, and look up Lupus, 2009 Nov;18(13):198-204, they would read how vaccination is associated with transverse myelitis. Compared to measles, mumps, pertussis(whooping cough) this condition is devastating. But if not your kid, who cares. Another, Clin Chim Acta. 2006 Feb;364(1-2):196-204. Epub 2005 Aug 10, Am J Dis Child, 1984 Oct;138(10);908-11, Neurology. 2004 Sep 14;63(5):838-42, I could go on and on with the research (medical, not chiropractic or naturopath) that shows vaccines are not as safe as people are led to believe. I meet more individuals who know more about their ipod than they know what they are jabbing into their child. (currently Mr Kennedy and De Niro are offering $100,000 for one (1) article that shows/ demonstrates the safety of vaccines/ thimerosol) Quick cash if you ask me, so far two months in and no takers! Many posts showing support of vaccines, but where is the research that supports this? I have asked a pediatrician to name the components of a vaccine, I get a blank stare and a handout that says nothing but what the FDA & CDC want one to know. Really? My mechanic can name everything under my vehicles hood and size of bolts, nuts, and oil ratings, and etc... but a doctor cannot tell me what is in a vaccine. Interesting. And I thot the medical profession were professsionals. First law of biology says adapt or die! We foolishly think we are saving our children only to find out the organisms we vaccinate against are already adapting and moving forward. (outbreaks......why most outbreaks involve vaccinated children...read the reports, not the news agency who are being told what to say...the health department only reports facts and not emotions.) If they worked, why boosters? One bout of chicken pox and immune for life. Three jabs to do the same? Does not make medical sense, or evolutionary sense. If we had to have chicken pox 3 times to survive, we would have faded years ago on the savannah of Africa. Just not efficient for life. But for a food source...very good for the lions and other large predators. Ever ask a doctor (medical) about the immune system and viruses? If no, then do so. They learn theory on both, not actual.They miss the science to study how to relate to pharma reps, which in itself is not bad, but until they show proof vaccines are safe, as Mr Kennedy is attempting to do, then I will consider for my children. The human mind is very simple, and easily led astray. how do I know, I observe what is happening around me. Anything mandated by government agencies is the first step in the wrong direction for humanity. I end my rant.

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  • JS81606
    JS81606 Posts: 73
    First, as someone said above, thimersol (mercury) is not used in any childhood vaccinations, so that point is irrelevant to this discussion.

    Second, life is risk. Being alive involves risk. Eating, sleeping, walking, bathing; all involve risk. Driving or being driven in a car involves far higher risk that getting vaccinated. Of course no one can show that vaccines are "safe", if you are asking for 100% safety. Nothing in life is. By any objective measure, based on a multitude of studies, the benefits outweigh the risks.

    I don't really know what you are referring to in most of the rest of your post, particularly "they learn theory on both, not actual", so I'll just stop here with my two points above.

    #1. The claim was it was removed in 1992, Thimerasol, but according to a 2009 study reported in J. Pediatr. 2009 Apr;154(4);154-520, they found Thimerasol in the flu shot and said in contributed to sever neurological diseases and or death. Interesting read. I guess relevancy is in the eye of the beholder. Please show scientific data to support said claim and it cannot be from the CDC or FDA, or big pharma. Independent study. Best of luck. (Same individuals who claimed WMD in Iraq! (I chose not to drink the kool aid) ) I also lump aluminum into this as well. It has yet to be removed, and here is a nice read: J Inorg Biochem, 2011 Nov;105(11);1489-99. regarding aluminum.
    #2. Life is a risk, but why would I want to risk 1 in 53 chance of autism in my child, which from last time I checked, lasts a lifetime, over a case of the measles which lasts 5-7 days and my kid is fine afterward. Not so much with the autistic child to adult. Again not my kid, really not my problem. Odds of being hit my a car. 1 in 120, autism is 1 in 50, so yeah the odds are in your favor. Math?
    #3. Primary care doctors learn theory of immunity, not the actual actions and processes. Therefor they are operating on limited information and are IMHO inadequate to make claims regarding the safety and efficacy of vaccinations. Have you ever studied immunology? Does immunisation equate to vaccination? Read. Subscribe to pub med and learn what the facts are. I have read comments from celebrities and others, they are just comments formulated based on their opinions, (almost seems a religion the way people defend the jabs!) as are mine. I just prefer to have science supporting mine.

    I still have yet to discover why some children seem unharmed from jabs, while others are, but I do know this, allergies, asthma, leukemias, neurological diseases are all on the rise in the pediatric population, and it is not better diagnosing. Something to think about.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    The flu shot isn't considered one of the childhood vaccinations as it isn't in the schedule of recommended childhood vaccinations.

    Vaccinations don't cause autism, full stop. They just don't. There is zero evidence that they do and masses of evidence that they don't.
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  • whispering hands
    whispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    oftenreading said:

    The flu shot isn't considered one of the childhood vaccinations as it isn't in the schedule of recommended childhood vaccinations.

    Vaccinations don't cause autism, full stop. They just don't. There is zero evidence that they do and masses of evidence that they don't.

    I would honestly look more at the crap that's in all this processed food we eat more than a vaccine.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    oftenreading said:

    The flu shot isn't considered one of the childhood vaccinations as it isn't in the schedule of recommended childhood vaccinations.

    Vaccinations don't cause autism, full stop. They just don't. There is zero evidence that they do and masses of evidence that they don't.

    +1
    Anti-vaxxers are the modern day flat-earthers.
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  • vogonpoetbythelake
    vogonpoetbythelake Posts: 2,146
    Thank you for bringing these articles and opinions to the forefront..and happy to see the discussion stay civil. The anecdotal and personal experiences i have had backed with plenty of research after the fact is what has led me to believe that we are not being exposed to the full story on vaccines and the risks by drug companies that sell on mass to government...protecting the industry seems more important than continuously reviewing the methods and recipes for cure of disease. The side effects and incidents go unreported and are not used in statistics. My nephew at age nine stopped breathing a day after his routine shots..had severe brain swelling fever...just a coincidence...he recovered with homeopathic care very well and is a thriving adult...I have had the pleasure of working with children with special needs for 20 ought years and many parents have a medical intervention story to tell regarding the onset in the cases of autism...research..research by independant science that will not be quashed by the pharma company's interests is what typically i have read. Again thank you for taking the time to cite articles etc. It is time consuming to seek alternatives and easier for some more than others to be satisfied with evidence that comes to their attention through commercial interests that dont even allow their scientist to fully publish evidence..by blackballing them in the scientific community..court ordered gags and full claim of corperate ownership of the research...kinda like musicians and artists not having rights to their own creations...anywho...not an easy awnser to be had when it comes to individual health choices
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    dude my age at work was hospitalized last week for the mumps. the fucking MUMPS.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    vogonpoetbythelake said:

    So if you are vaccinated an unvaccinated person should not be a threat....àpparently only herd behavior(mass vacination) protects one from disease.. yet we still fear the few that dont vacinate..so how does vacination make you safe against a disease if we are still fearing a non vacinated person? Let alone all of the side effects clearly responsible for disease that is worse than what the vaccine is trying to erradicate...to each their own...sovereign body right to choose what we put into our bodies or take from them....brain stem cell...placenta cells...bone marrow..plasma...yada yada yada

    because vaccination isn't 100%, and you can't vaccinate for many things before certain ages.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Keep your unvaccinated children the hell away from me and mine, please. Bunch of hippy dippy bologna!
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  • whispering hands
    whispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Keep your unvaccinated children the hell away from me and mine, please. Bunch of hippy dippy bologna!

    Right?
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    whispering hands said:

    oftenreading said:

    The flu shot isn't considered one of the childhood vaccinations as it isn't in the schedule of recommended childhood vaccinations.

    Vaccinations don't cause autism, full stop. They just don't. There is zero evidence that they do and masses of evidence that they don't.

    I would honestly look more at the crap that's in all this processed food we eat more than a vaccine.
    Right?!!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    HesCalledDyer said:

    whispering hands said:

    oftenreading said:

    The flu shot isn't considered one of the childhood vaccinations as it isn't in the schedule of recommended childhood vaccinations.

    Vaccinations don't cause autism, full stop. They just don't. There is zero evidence that they do and masses of evidence that they don't.

    I would honestly look more at the crap that's in all this processed food we eat more than a vaccine.
    Right?!!
    I was having this discussion with my cousin the other day as well. my daughter has ulcerative colitis, and the trend for this disease, especially in my neck of the woods, is increasing heavily, and no one knows why. we just keep hearing "environmental factors". what the fuck does that mean? To me that means pesticides and artificial bullshit in foods. possibly microwaving and changing the molecular stucture of food that way.
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  • whispering hands
    whispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    HesCalledDyer said:

    whispering hands said:

    oftenreading said:

    The flu shot isn't considered one of the childhood vaccinations as it isn't in the schedule of recommended childhood vaccinations.

    Vaccinations don't cause autism, full stop. They just don't. There is zero evidence that they do and masses of evidence that they don't.

    I would honestly look more at the crap that's in all this processed food we eat more than a vaccine.
    Right?!!
    I was having this discussion with my cousin the other day as well. my daughter has ulcerative colitis, and the trend for this disease, especially in my neck of the woods, is increasing heavily, and no one knows why. we just keep hearing "environmental factors". what the fuck does that mean? To me that means pesticides and artificial bullshit in foods. possibly microwaving and changing the molecular stucture of food that way.
    It's sad. If ever we got snowed.. it was with TV dinners.. our bodies were never designed to break down chemical preservatives.. period.
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,571
    As a psychologist who works with a ton of autistic kids, I find it disgusting people believe this research (that was falsified) and continue to spread the absurd belief that vaccination has anything remotely
    To do with autism. The guy deserves to be in prison for the irreparable harm he has caused. VACCINATE YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,913
    mookieblalock said:

    As a psychologist who works with a ton of autistic kids, I find it disgusting people believe this research (that was falsified) and continue to spread the absurd belief that vaccination has anything remotely
    To do with autism. The guy deserves to be in prison for the irreparable harm he has caused. VACCINATE YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!

    Yep!
  • JS81606
    JS81606 Posts: 73
    mookieblalock said:

    As a psychologist who works with a ton of autistic kids, I find it disgusting people believe this research (that was falsified) and continue to spread the absurd belief that vaccination has anything remotely
    To do with autism. The guy deserves to be in prison for the irreparable harm he has caused. VACCINATE YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!

    Dr Wakefield has been vindicated, if one reads the research on pub med, you will find 24 studies showing what he found has been demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt. I have come to my senses and refuse to note research on this subject because the lack of initiative of some is so lacking that they couldn't even goto CDC.Gov and look at the vax shedule from birth to 18 years of age and, whoa nelly, flu jab is on there! I expect to be slammed, as I am most days for doing the research and analysis of the research and for this, I make my choices.

    As far as environmental toxins, what is in that jab that just by-passed your skin barrier? Environmental toxins? How is measles, mumps, chicken pox, roto virus, etc spread? Thru air particles/ sputum/ water/ rain/ fecal matter/ urine/ other? Most natural infections enters into the nasopharynx and our immune system attacks these foreign compounds. With the jab, it is set directly into the blood stream. No barrier, no chance for the immune system to respond accordingly. The immune system acts in a series of steps that defend us. But without the natural introduction thru natural processes, the immune system is not allowed is due diligence.
    Questions I still have not had answered here:
    Why the need for the boosters?
    Why are your kids not protected when vaccinated from unvaccinated child?
    Does vaccination equal immunization?
    What constitutes toxin? Please define?
    Why the high rate of autism? Why higher rate in African American males than caucasian males?
    Are you fixing the autistic people you are working with? Big or little improvements? Would be interesting to know this.

    Please help me understand what makes this entire subject so frightening that people lose their mind over it. I am curious.

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