Obamacare is a mess
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As basic as one could put it...
1. Wasn't Obama's intent to offer everyone access to medical?
2. Wasn't he stymied at various stages trying to accomplish this by Republican opponents wishing him to fail versus accomplish something for the people?
3. Does anyone think Trump is going to accomplish this task after consulting with health insurance CEOs for a plan? Do health insurance CEOs concern themselves with profit margins or patient care?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
To be fair, 'Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated'.
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The Kenyan born thing was dumb. I don't think it was about racism though. It was one method some saw as a way to get someone they didn't like out of office. How many different ways have people talked about getting Trump out? You can not like someone who is black and still not be racist.Go Beavers said:
But Obama wasn't far left. Racism underlied the irrational fear from the right. For years we heard about Socialist Obama and how he was going to destroy the country. The Kenyan Marxist crap fits right into this. Did people say Bill Clinton was a Socialist when they were trying to revamp healthcare? Was he trying to destroy the country? It was easy to push the fear because of the common prejudice that blacks are dangerous.mace1229 said:I think that level of disrespect was surpassed in the first 48 hours of the Trump presidency.
People were very disrespectful of bush too. Obama was farther left than any previous president, makes sense that the criticism was greater.
If Pence were president, he'd receive the same level due to his far right stance.
*same level as Obama, not Trump.
If people reacted as drastically to Obama as people have to Trump, the cry for racism would be 10 times worse that is already is. My point being it isn't about racism, its about politics. Just because he was black doesn't mean everyone who opposes him does so because of his color. It seems that at least the implication is the majority of politicians who did that was their motivation. I just don't see that, and the reaction the left has to Trumps makes it obvious to me that it isn't about race. Its about politics and making the guy you didn't vote for look bad.
Same things were said about Hilary. O, you don't like Hilary? You must be sexist and not want a woman president.
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You're comparing Obama the apple to trump the orange (da-dum tschhhh!!). No one is saying any criticism of Obama is racist. But you also can't deny that racism was a factor. If Sven had won, would there be claims that he was Swedish?
And you cannot flip the situation, trying to make an equivalency to liberal trump response to conservative's response to Obama. trump is completely incompetent in the role of president, not to mention his delusional policies. If Jeb Bush was pres and liberals had the same response to him as they do to trump now, you would have a point.0 -
Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.0
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the response to trump is nothing more than embarassment at who the US has as its leader. no president, ever, has been such a sideshow as this turd has been, and he's only a month in. I stated it before as well, no one would be this outraged/concerned/disgusted had it been any of the other nominees in the WH.mace1229 said:
The Kenyan born thing was dumb. I don't think it was about racism though. It was one method some saw as a way to get someone they didn't like out of office. How many different ways have people talked about getting Trump out? You can not like someone who is black and still not be racist.Go Beavers said:
But Obama wasn't far left. Racism underlied the irrational fear from the right. For years we heard about Socialist Obama and how he was going to destroy the country. The Kenyan Marxist crap fits right into this. Did people say Bill Clinton was a Socialist when they were trying to revamp healthcare? Was he trying to destroy the country? It was easy to push the fear because of the common prejudice that blacks are dangerous.mace1229 said:I think that level of disrespect was surpassed in the first 48 hours of the Trump presidency.
People were very disrespectful of bush too. Obama was farther left than any previous president, makes sense that the criticism was greater.
If Pence were president, he'd receive the same level due to his far right stance.
*same level as Obama, not Trump.
If people reacted as drastically to Obama as people have to Trump, the cry for racism would be 10 times worse that is already is. My point being it isn't about racism, its about politics. Just because he was black doesn't mean everyone who opposes him does so because of his color. It seems that at least the implication is the majority of politicians who did that was their motivation. I just don't see that, and the reaction the left has to Trumps makes it obvious to me that it isn't about race. Its about politics and making the guy you didn't vote for look bad.
Same things were said about Hilary. O, you don't like Hilary? You must be sexist and not want a woman president.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Some in the South cringed? That would be the understatement of the year. Racism also factors in to the higher standards white's place on blacks to reach an acceptable level. Someone with a law degree, experience teaching law, and years of being a state senator and a US senator somehow was incompetent and unqualified. Hmmm.. wonder why that was said?mace1229 said:Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.
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in a country where a public school thinks it's appropriate to serve fried chicken to celebrate black history month, it surprises me that people underestimate the existence of racism anywhere but the deep south.Go Beavers said:
Some in the South cringed? That would be the understatement of the year. Racism also factors in to the higher standards white's place on blacks to reach an acceptable level. Someone with a law degree, experience teaching law, and years of being a state senator and a US senator somehow was incompetent and unqualified. Hmmm.. wonder why that was said?mace1229 said:Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.
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You know who cringed? Senate majority leader Mitch McConnel and house speaker John Beohner. Those are two guys from a generation and states where compromising or working with a black guy is seen as a weakness if not treason. And their attitude and demeanor from day on illustrated that. They disrespected Obama time and time again. Clinton nor the White House were as disrespected despite the justification for such by clinton's behavior. Nor was bush despite his ineptness.mace1229 said:Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.
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To me a more plausible explanation at the attempts to ensure his failure is the 2016 election. If Obama was seen as a failure, it would increase the chances of a GOP victory. If he was seen as a big success, Democrats would take the election. Political motivation, to me, seems like the more likely answer than the country and its leaders are fueled on racism.
I will admit I have limited experience in the south. My wife, born and raised South Carolina in Greenville, did share some shocking stories of racism. But it has improved, and when we visit for about a month every year I see virtually no signs of it in the big cities down there. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just hasn't convinced me that it makes more sense than just the normal political BS that goes on.0 -
I also remember once reading that the public school system in the States classified both french fries and pizza as vegetable servings. True or not, it made me chuckle. Then cringe. Then cry.HughFreakingDillon said:
in a country where a public school thinks it's appropriate to serve fried chicken to celebrate black history month, it surprises me that people underestimate the existence of racism anywhere but the deep south.Go Beavers said:
Some in the South cringed? That would be the understatement of the year. Racism also factors in to the higher standards white's place on blacks to reach an acceptable level. Someone with a law degree, experience teaching law, and years of being a state senator and a US senator somehow was incompetent and unqualified. Hmmm.. wonder why that was said?mace1229 said:Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.
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To be fair, pizza is only classified as a vegetable by the USDA if it has at least 2 tablespoons of tomato paste.benjs said:
I also remember once reading that the public school system in the States classified both french fries and pizza as vegetable servings. True or not, it made me chuckle. Then cringe. Then cry.HughFreakingDillon said:
in a country where a public school thinks it's appropriate to serve fried chicken to celebrate black history month, it surprises me that people underestimate the existence of racism anywhere but the deep south.Go Beavers said:
Some in the South cringed? That would be the understatement of the year. Racism also factors in to the higher standards white's place on blacks to reach an acceptable level. Someone with a law degree, experience teaching law, and years of being a state senator and a US senator somehow was incompetent and unqualified. Hmmm.. wonder why that was said?mace1229 said:Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.
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To be fair, pizza is only classified as a vegetable by the USDA if it has at least 2 tablespoons of tomato paste.benjs said:
I also remember once reading that the public school system in the States classified both french fries and pizza as vegetable servings. True or not, it made me chuckle. Then cringe. Then cry.HughFreakingDillon said:
in a country where a public school thinks it's appropriate to serve fried chicken to celebrate black history month, it surprises me that people underestimate the existence of racism anywhere but the deep south.Go Beavers said:
Some in the South cringed? That would be the understatement of the year. Racism also factors in to the higher standards white's place on blacks to reach an acceptable level. Someone with a law degree, experience teaching law, and years of being a state senator and a US senator somehow was incompetent and unqualified. Hmmm.. wonder why that was said?mace1229 said:Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.
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Reagan's administration wanted ketchup classified as a vegetable. And Michelle Obama wanted kids to eat healthy and exercise more and more people to grow and eat their own vegetables. She was labeled a socialist and Obama was accused of trying to take away your rights. Because you know, healthy people cost the healthcare system so much more than junk food eating, soda swilling, high fat diet, smokers.benjs said:
I also remember once reading that the public school system in the States classified both french fries and pizza as vegetable servings. True or not, it made me chuckle. Then cringe. Then cry.HughFreakingDillon said:
in a country where a public school thinks it's appropriate to serve fried chicken to celebrate black history month, it surprises me that people underestimate the existence of racism anywhere but the deep south.Go Beavers said:
Some in the South cringed? That would be the understatement of the year. Racism also factors in to the higher standards white's place on blacks to reach an acceptable level. Someone with a law degree, experience teaching law, and years of being a state senator and a US senator somehow was incompetent and unqualified. Hmmm.. wonder why that was said?mace1229 said:Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.
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I favorite part about the south is they list "mac n cheese" as a veggie in their menus.benjs said:
I also remember once reading that the public school system in the States classified both french fries and pizza as vegetable servings. True or not, it made me chuckle. Then cringe. Then cry.HughFreakingDillon said:
in a country where a public school thinks it's appropriate to serve fried chicken to celebrate black history month, it surprises me that people underestimate the existence of racism anywhere but the deep south.Go Beavers said:
Some in the South cringed? That would be the understatement of the year. Racism also factors in to the higher standards white's place on blacks to reach an acceptable level. Someone with a law degree, experience teaching law, and years of being a state senator and a US senator somehow was incompetent and unqualified. Hmmm.. wonder why that was said?mace1229 said:Yeah I'm sure some people in the deep south cringed at the thought of a black president. But I doubt that racism existed in congress where he was blocked because he was the first black president. Many of them thought he was incompetent as president, which would, to some extent, justify the attitude. It certainly has justified the behavior towards Trump.
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Sure we can criticize please tell us what was his campaign promise to his base concerning Obamacare , let me refresh your Sessions memory ...mace1229 said:I never said Trump is going to solve healthcare. Just that at this point in time it is unreasonable to criticize them for not having solved it yet. And in 4 years when someone complains I would agree.
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I think it would be safe to say that most would use basic judgment and consider his promise to be to start the ball rolling day 1. Even if the world's perfect health plan that would cure cancer by just be being enrolled in it, it still couldn't be reviewed, voted on, passed and rolled out on day 1.0
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Yeah not even in 4 yrs please tell us that the GOP and this bafoon didn't have enough time to come up with a replacement plan by now ?mace1229 said:I think it would be safe to say that most would use basic judgment and consider his promise to be to start the ball rolling day 1. Even if the world's perfect health plan that would cure cancer by just be being enrolled in it, it still couldn't be reviewed, voted on, passed and rolled out on day 1.
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