Obamacare is a mess

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

sure. homeschool everyone on the bible.

Give them raises when they aren't in a union that overwhelmingly supports Democrats. They have an agenda to see that the students do the same, it ensures their survival.

give me a break.

Public schools are government indoctrination centers.

Do you ever come out of your bunker?

Do you ever think for yourself?

All the time. My life flourishes in this dictatorship.

Halifax2TheMax

How about you Unsung, are you pure in all your thoughts? Fact based that they are?

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

sure. homeschool everyone on the bible.

Give them raises when they aren't in a union that overwhelmingly supports Democrats. They have an agenda to see that the students do the same, it ensures their survival.

give me a break.

Public schools are government indoctrination centers.

Do you ever come out of your bunker?

Do you ever think for yourself?

this line of thinking always makes me laugh. if you don't believe in all the conspiracy theories, you automatically are a sheep to the system. oh, how you do go on.

Smellyman

imagine that home schooling indoctrination....yikes

HesCalledDyer

mace1229 said:

rssesq said:

Holidayz. they are in school like 170 outta 365 days a year kid. I'm Italian and I work on Columbus day. LOL

mace1229 said:

Would like to know which school is only open 4.1 days a week?
Or are you calculating in all those holidays that most other people get too?

You said 4.1 days 9 months out of the year. That math is wrong.
So your 4.1 is a year average, taking into consideration they work 9 months.
Most teachers have 185ish days, not 170.
Most will work an average 9-10 hours on those days, not the 5 hours you suggested.

Most jobs get vacation/sick days and holidays off that can total anywhere from 4-6 weeks. Teachers get a little extra vacation, but don't get to chose when to take it. And work an extra 1-2 hours a day the rest of the year.

If they worked 4 days a week 9 months out of the year, for 5 hours a day as people who have no idea like to claim, that would be the most amazing job ever. But that is far from reality.

So lets do the math here. A typical public employee will work about 46 weeks out of the year (accounting for holidays and sick leave) at 8 hours a day. That's 1840 hours. And when that meeting runs an hour late, thats time and a half so they dont complain about over time. A teacher will work 185 days a year at 10 hours a day, that's 1850 hours. That doesn't take into account back to school night, parent conferences, open house, chaperoning dances/events, and other events they are "highly encouraged" to attend. Lets not forget that the admin and parents expect free tutoring from teachers as well, so they don't have to pay an outside tutor $50/hr.

I think you convinced, they have it too easy....

And in those 3 months "off" in the summer, they usually have to attend several week-long conferences and/or do some sort of continuing education. All at their own expense, of course. When they're not getting paid.

mace1229

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

rssesq said:

Holidayz. they are in school like 170 outta 365 days a year kid. I'm Italian and I work on Columbus day. LOL

mace1229 said:

Would like to know which school is only open 4.1 days a week?
Or are you calculating in all those holidays that most other people get too?

You said 4.1 days 9 months out of the year. That math is wrong.
So your 4.1 is a year average, taking into consideration they work 9 months.
Most teachers have 185ish days, not 170.
Most will work an average 9-10 hours on those days, not the 5 hours you suggested.

Most jobs get vacation/sick days and holidays off that can total anywhere from 4-6 weeks. Teachers get a little extra vacation, but don't get to chose when to take it. And work an extra 1-2 hours a day the rest of the year.

If they worked 4 days a week 9 months out of the year, for 5 hours a day as people who have no idea like to claim, that would be the most amazing job ever. But that is far from reality.

So lets do the math here. A typical public employee will work about 46 weeks out of the year (accounting for holidays and sick leave) at 8 hours a day. That's 1840 hours. And when that meeting runs an hour late, thats time and a half so they dont complain about over time. A teacher will work 185 days a year at 10 hours a day, that's 1850 hours. That doesn't take into account back to school night, parent conferences, open house, chaperoning dances/events, and other events they are "highly encouraged" to attend. Lets not forget that the admin and parents expect free tutoring from teachers as well, so they don't have to pay an outside tutor $50/hr.

I think you convinced, they have it too easy....

And in those 3 months "off" in the summer, they usually have to attend several week-long conferences and/or do some sort of continuing education. All at their own expense, of course. When they're not getting paid.

The reason school is only about 170 days but teacher contracts are about 185 is for trainings like this. But yes, many teachers still have to go for more training. Often if you are an AP teacher, or teaching STEM classes which is the new popular thing right now, or anything else new. And if you're lucky, the school will pay you about $12/hr to attend (yay....), but in many cases it is with no pay. Teacher is the only public job I know where when you are forced to work over time the pay is not time and a half, but just the half, if at all.

HughFreakingDillon

in Canada it's now I think close or at 7 years of schooling to become a teacher. THE SAME AS A LAWYER FFS. that says something.

Cliffy6745

Holy shit, Paul Ryan has no clue how employer based healthcare works or any insurance for that matter...

Go Beavers

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

sure. homeschool everyone on the bible.

Give them raises when they aren't in a union that overwhelmingly supports Democrats. They have an agenda to see that the students do the same, it ensures their survival.

give me a break.

Public schools are government indoctrination centers.

If they're liberal indictination centers, how can I have conservative former classmates? Some of them even say the same things you do.

Go Beavers

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

sure. homeschool everyone on the bible.

Give them raises when they aren't in a union that overwhelmingly supports Democrats. They have an agenda to see that the students do the same, it ensures their survival.

give me a break.

Public schools are government indoctrination centers.

If they're liberal indictination centers, how can I have conservative former classmates? Some of them even say the same things you do.

they're liberal indoctrination centers, how can I have conservative former classmates? Some of them even say the same things you do.

unsung

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

rssesq said:

Holidayz. they are in school like 170 outta 365 days a year kid. I'm Italian and I work on Columbus day. LOL

mace1229 said:

Would like to know which school is only open 4.1 days a week?
Or are you calculating in all those holidays that most other people get too?

You said 4.1 days 9 months out of the year. That math is wrong.
So your 4.1 is a year average, taking into consideration they work 9 months.
Most teachers have 185ish days, not 170.
Most will work an average 9-10 hours on those days, not the 5 hours you suggested.

Most jobs get vacation/sick days and holidays off that can total anywhere from 4-6 weeks. Teachers get a little extra vacation, but don't get to chose when to take it. And work an extra 1-2 hours a day the rest of the year.

If they worked 4 days a week 9 months out of the year, for 5 hours a day as people who have no idea like to claim, that would be the most amazing job ever. But that is far from reality.

So lets do the math here. A typical public employee will work about 46 weeks out of the year (accounting for holidays and sick leave) at 8 hours a day. That's 1840 hours. And when that meeting runs an hour late, thats time and a half so they dont complain about over time. A teacher will work 185 days a year at 10 hours a day, that's 1850 hours. That doesn't take into account back to school night, parent conferences, open house, chaperoning dances/events, and other events they are "highly encouraged" to attend. Lets not forget that the admin and parents expect free tutoring from teachers as well, so they don't have to pay an outside tutor $50/hr.

I think you convinced, they have it too easy....

And in those 3 months "off" in the summer, they usually have to attend several week-long conferences and/or do some sort of continuing education. All at their own expense, of course. When they're not getting paid.

They are being paid. Teachers have the option of a 12 month check or a 9 month check.

And boo hoo that they have to spend money on their job, who doesn't?

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

rssesq said:

Holidayz. they are in school like 170 outta 365 days a year kid. I'm Italian and I work on Columbus day. LOL

mace1229 said:

Would like to know which school is only open 4.1 days a week?
Or are you calculating in all those holidays that most other people get too?

You said 4.1 days 9 months out of the year. That math is wrong.
So your 4.1 is a year average, taking into consideration they work 9 months.
Most teachers have 185ish days, not 170.
Most will work an average 9-10 hours on those days, not the 5 hours you suggested.

Most jobs get vacation/sick days and holidays off that can total anywhere from 4-6 weeks. Teachers get a little extra vacation, but don't get to chose when to take it. And work an extra 1-2 hours a day the rest of the year.

If they worked 4 days a week 9 months out of the year, for 5 hours a day as people who have no idea like to claim, that would be the most amazing job ever. But that is far from reality.

So lets do the math here. A typical public employee will work about 46 weeks out of the year (accounting for holidays and sick leave) at 8 hours a day. That's 1840 hours. And when that meeting runs an hour late, thats time and a half so they dont complain about over time. A teacher will work 185 days a year at 10 hours a day, that's 1850 hours. That doesn't take into account back to school night, parent conferences, open house, chaperoning dances/events, and other events they are "highly encouraged" to attend. Lets not forget that the admin and parents expect free tutoring from teachers as well, so they don't have to pay an outside tutor $50/hr.

I think you convinced, they have it too easy....

And in those 3 months "off" in the summer, they usually have to attend several week-long conferences and/or do some sort of continuing education. All at their own expense, of course. When they're not getting paid.

They are being paid. Teachers have the option of a 12 month check or a 9 month check.

And boo hoo that they have to spend money on their job, who doesn't?

I don't.

josevolution

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

rssesq said:

Holidayz. they are in school like 170 outta 365 days a year kid. I'm Italian and I work on Columbus day. LOL

mace1229 said:

Would like to know which school is only open 4.1 days a week?
Or are you calculating in all those holidays that most other people get too?

You said 4.1 days 9 months out of the year. That math is wrong.
So your 4.1 is a year average, taking into consideration they work 9 months.
Most teachers have 185ish days, not 170.
Most will work an average 9-10 hours on those days, not the 5 hours you suggested.

Most jobs get vacation/sick days and holidays off that can total anywhere from 4-6 weeks. Teachers get a little extra vacation, but don't get to chose when to take it. And work an extra 1-2 hours a day the rest of the year.

If they worked 4 days a week 9 months out of the year, for 5 hours a day as people who have no idea like to claim, that would be the most amazing job ever. But that is far from reality.

So lets do the math here. A typical public employee will work about 46 weeks out of the year (accounting for holidays and sick leave) at 8 hours a day. That's 1840 hours. And when that meeting runs an hour late, thats time and a half so they dont complain about over time. A teacher will work 185 days a year at 10 hours a day, that's 1850 hours. That doesn't take into account back to school night, parent conferences, open house, chaperoning dances/events, and other events they are "highly encouraged" to attend. Lets not forget that the admin and parents expect free tutoring from teachers as well, so they don't have to pay an outside tutor $50/hr.

I think you convinced, they have it too easy....

And in those 3 months "off" in the summer, they usually have to attend several week-long conferences and/or do some sort of continuing education. All at their own expense, of course. When they're not getting paid.

They are being paid. Teachers have the option of a 12 month check or a 9 month check.

And boo hoo that they have to spend money on their job, who doesn't?

I guess you mean the $ I spend to put gas in my car that gets me to work or lunch $ , otherwise I don't spend any $ on my job and I usually brown bag it hate hospital cafeteria food ...

mfc2006

Teachers are severely underpaid. Classrooms are overcrowded. Our education system is flawed and we are falling behind. DeVos will not fix this because she is out of touch with these facts.

josevolution

https://www.facebook.com/gtflygirl/posts/10158267041800034

Hell yeah is this what president bafoon meant by draining the swamp...

josevolution

http://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/03/08/400-million-dollar-tax-break-for-insurance-execs-sparks-outrage.html

Just to put the link up instead of someone's Facebook post my bad ..

HesCalledDyer

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

rssesq said:

Holidayz. they are in school like 170 outta 365 days a year kid. I'm Italian and I work on Columbus day. LOL

mace1229 said:

Would like to know which school is only open 4.1 days a week?
Or are you calculating in all those holidays that most other people get too?

You said 4.1 days 9 months out of the year. That math is wrong.
So your 4.1 is a year average, taking into consideration they work 9 months.
Most teachers have 185ish days, not 170.
Most will work an average 9-10 hours on those days, not the 5 hours you suggested.

Most jobs get vacation/sick days and holidays off that can total anywhere from 4-6 weeks. Teachers get a little extra vacation, but don't get to chose when to take it. And work an extra 1-2 hours a day the rest of the year.

If they worked 4 days a week 9 months out of the year, for 5 hours a day as people who have no idea like to claim, that would be the most amazing job ever. But that is far from reality.

So lets do the math here. A typical public employee will work about 46 weeks out of the year (accounting for holidays and sick leave) at 8 hours a day. That's 1840 hours. And when that meeting runs an hour late, thats time and a half so they dont complain about over time. A teacher will work 185 days a year at 10 hours a day, that's 1850 hours. That doesn't take into account back to school night, parent conferences, open house, chaperoning dances/events, and other events they are "highly encouraged" to attend. Lets not forget that the admin and parents expect free tutoring from teachers as well, so they don't have to pay an outside tutor $50/hr.

I think you convinced, they have it too easy....

And in those 3 months "off" in the summer, they usually have to attend several week-long conferences and/or do some sort of continuing education. All at their own expense, of course. When they're not getting paid.

They are being paid. Teachers have the option of a 12 month check or a 9 month check.

And boo hoo that they have to spend money on their job, who doesn't?

I don't know why I'm even bothering to reply to your stupidity but here goes.
1) Not every state has the 9 vs 12 month option.
2) I don't spend my own money on my job.

I'm still wondering who pisses in your Cheerios every morning? Or do you not eat Cheerios because they are tiny liberal rings of wheat & oats?

HughFreakingDillon

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

rssesq said:

Holidayz. they are in school like 170 outta 365 days a year kid. I'm Italian and I work on Columbus day. LOL

mace1229 said:

Would like to know which school is only open 4.1 days a week?
Or are you calculating in all those holidays that most other people get too?

You said 4.1 days 9 months out of the year. That math is wrong.
So your 4.1 is a year average, taking into consideration they work 9 months.
Most teachers have 185ish days, not 170.
Most will work an average 9-10 hours on those days, not the 5 hours you suggested.

Most jobs get vacation/sick days and holidays off that can total anywhere from 4-6 weeks. Teachers get a little extra vacation, but don't get to chose when to take it. And work an extra 1-2 hours a day the rest of the year.

If they worked 4 days a week 9 months out of the year, for 5 hours a day as people who have no idea like to claim, that would be the most amazing job ever. But that is far from reality.

So lets do the math here. A typical public employee will work about 46 weeks out of the year (accounting for holidays and sick leave) at 8 hours a day. That's 1840 hours. And when that meeting runs an hour late, thats time and a half so they dont complain about over time. A teacher will work 185 days a year at 10 hours a day, that's 1850 hours. That doesn't take into account back to school night, parent conferences, open house, chaperoning dances/events, and other events they are "highly encouraged" to attend. Lets not forget that the admin and parents expect free tutoring from teachers as well, so they don't have to pay an outside tutor $50/hr.

I think you convinced, they have it too easy....

And in those 3 months "off" in the summer, they usually have to attend several week-long conferences and/or do some sort of continuing education. All at their own expense, of course. When they're not getting paid.

They are being paid. Teachers have the option of a 12 month check or a 9 month check.

And boo hoo that they have to spend money on their job, who doesn't?

I don't know why I'm even bothering to reply to your stupidity but here goes.
1) Not every state has the 9 vs 12 month option.
2) I don't spend my own money on my job.

I'm still wondering who pisses in your Cheerios every morning? Or do you not eat Cheerios because they are tiny liberal rings of wheat & oats?

he'd eat them if they were called Conspiracios.

mace1229

I think the 9 month or 12 month pay is a meaningless argument. I think it is up to the district and not the state anyway if they allow to be paid over 12 months.
I say it is meaningless because the net pay doesn't change. If they are paid over 12 months it is obviously smaller and they squeeze by all year. If they are paid over 9 months they know they have to save 3 months work of pay by saving 1/3 of every pay check so they squeeze by anyway. Since its not like they get paid so much they can easily go without pay for 3 months it doesn't really matter.
Its a salary, and salary is based on yearly income. In the end they are one of, if not the lowest paid public employees with the amount of education that is required. No other public employee will require nearly a masters degree and pay an average of 40k, not to mention a starting salary is much less than that in many states.

HesCalledDyer

mace1229 said:

I think the 9 month or 12 month pay is a meaningless argument. I think it is up to the district and not the state anyway if they allow to be paid over 12 months.
I say it is meaningless because the net pay doesn't change. If they are paid over 12 months it is obviously smaller and they squeeze by all year. If they are paid over 9 months they know they have to save 3 months work of pay by saving 1/3 of every pay check so they squeeze by anyway. Since its not like they get paid so much they can easily go without pay for 3 months it doesn't really matter.
Its a salary, and salary is based on yearly income. In the end they are one of, if not the lowest paid public employees with the amount of education that is required. No other public employee will require nearly a masters degree and pay an average of 40k, not to mention a starting salary is much less than that in many states.

Very valid points!