Pre-existing conditions being covered is not insurance.
This statement doesn't make sense without any context. Are you saying that the coverage of pre-existing conditions is incompatible with insurance? Are you saying that having insurance is not contingent on having coverage of pre-existing conditions? Are you saying something else?
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Ah I see. That doesn't make sense in any real world scenarios, but at least I know what you meant now.
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.
Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
Nobody has denied anyone health care.
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.
Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.
Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.
Having a healthy lifestyle is cheaper than that.
Yeah that's real fucking rich, what a fuckhead thing to say in a public forum where there are people who have children born with diseases and disabilities. It doesn't matter to Unsung if it doesn't effect Unsung.
Not to mention the fact that healthy food is more expensive and hard to find in poor neighborhoods, so the people that are least likely to be able to afford quality health insurance are also the least likely to be able to access/afford quality/healthy food. But fuck those kids, they should know better to be born into those poor families.
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
Nobody has denied anyone health care.
What is the problem then if no one is denied healthcare?
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.
Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.
Having a healthy lifestyle is cheaper than that.
Yeah that's real fucking rich, what a fuckhead thing to say in a public forum where there are people who have children born with diseases and disabilities. It doesn't matter to Unsung if it doesn't effect Unsung.
yeah, if i lived in the US, our family would eventually be homeless and my daughter would be dead.
#MAGA
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
∆∆ Don't worry, an altered photograph of a healthcare receipt is forthcoming to show that every taker gets what they need at the expense of one of our industrious makers!
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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unsung
I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
Nobody has denied anyone health care.
What is the problem then if no one is denied healthcare?
Again, why should people subsidize poor life decisions of others?
Why should I be forced to pay for someone's cancer when they smoked for thirty years?
And don't give me the childhood illnesses either, I haven't heard anyone dispute that.
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.
Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.
Having a healthy lifestyle is cheaper than that.
Yeah that's real fucking rich, what a fuckhead thing to say in a public forum where there are people who have children born with diseases and disabilities. It doesn't matter to Unsung if it doesn't effect Unsung.
Whatever. Nobody has said that. Cut the drama.
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?
Car insurance isn't used for every single issue a car has, as I have already explained.
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?
Car insurance isn't used for every single issue a car has, as I have already explained.
I was responding to your point about people subsidizing others for their lifestyle choices. Taxes go toward the collective. I pay for someones 20 mile commute because they want to live outside of town with acres. Taxes should go to a single-payer health insurance system. Health care is something we all access and benefit from, therefore part of a collective domocracy.
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
Nobody has denied anyone health care.
Nope, you can't have it both ways. You can't simultaneously claim that insurance is properly only for emergency health expenses and also claim that no one is denied health care, because health care is far, far more than emergency issues.
And life is a crap shoot. None of us has a perfect lifestyle, partly because there is no clear consensus on what that is. All of us have unhealthy habits; we just justify them as not as bad as someone else's unhealthy habits. And far more of health outcomes relate to someone's genetic endowment than you think, and none of us have control over that.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
Nobody has denied anyone health care.
What is the problem then if no one is denied healthcare?
Again, why should people subsidize poor life decisions of others?
Why should I be forced to pay for someone's cancer when they smoked for thirty years?
And don't give me the childhood illnesses either, I haven't heard anyone dispute that.
I understand and agree it sucks to pay for someone's health care who knowingly makes unhealthy decisions.
Now, say this person with lung cancer comes into your hospital (you are a doctor). Are you going to "pull the plug" on them and say "Sorry, I'm not going to treat you because you have no money. Please go outside and slowly die." If you would do that, then you are being true to your convictions. If not, let's stop beating around the bush and just realize there are going to be irresponsible people we as a society have to take care of when it comes to health care.
I'm so happy that I'm not an American. As someone with chronic Kidney disease I shudder to think about what my long-term prospects would look like if I lived in the US. From an outsider's perspective America seems like a cruel place to live.
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?
Car insurance isn't used for every single issue a car has, as I have already explained.
I was responding to your point about people subsidizing others for their lifestyle choices. Taxes go toward the collective. I pay for someones 20 mile commute because they want to live outside of town with acres. Taxes should go to a single-payer health insurance system. Health care is something we all access and benefit from, therefore part of a collective domocracy.
And that is the main disagreement. Government should not be in the healthcare business.
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
Nobody has denied anyone health care.
Nope, you can't have it both ways. You can't simultaneously claim that insurance is properly only for emergency health expenses and also claim that no one is denied health care, because health care is far, far more than emergency issues.
And life is a crap shoot. None of us has a perfect lifestyle, partly because there is no clear consensus on what that is. All of us have unhealthy habits; we just justify them as not as bad as someone else's unhealthy habits. And far more of health outcomes relate to someone's genetic endowment than you think, and none of us have control over that.
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?
Car insurance isn't used for every single issue a car has, as I have already explained.
I was responding to your point about people subsidizing others for their lifestyle choices. Taxes go toward the collective. I pay for someones 20 mile commute because they want to live outside of town with acres. Taxes should go to a single-payer health insurance system. Health care is something we all access and benefit from, therefore part of a collective domocracy.
And that is the main disagreement. Government should not be in the healthcare business.
Health care is one of the items that is most ideally suited to be delivered by government, so I can only assume this is just part and parcel of your general opinion that government should not be involved in any aspect of life.
Unless you are actually focusing on the "business" aspect, in which case I agree with you - health care should not be run under a business model. But I don't think that's what you meant.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
Nobody has denied anyone health care.
Nope, you can't have it both ways. You can't simultaneously claim that insurance is properly only for emergency health expenses and also claim that no one is denied health care, because health care is far, far more than emergency issues.
And life is a crap shoot. None of us has a perfect lifestyle, partly because there is no clear consensus on what that is. All of us have unhealthy habits; we just justify them as not as bad as someone else's unhealthy habits. And far more of health outcomes relate to someone's genetic endowment than you think, and none of us have control over that.
Clearly you are missing the point I made.
Or possibly I just disagree with it.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?
Car insurance isn't used for every single issue a car has, as I have already explained.
I was responding to your point about people subsidizing others for their lifestyle choices. Taxes go toward the collective. I pay for someones 20 mile commute because they want to live outside of town with acres. Taxes should go to a single-payer health insurance system. Health care is something we all access and benefit from, therefore part of a collective domocracy.
And that is the main disagreement. Government should not be in the healthcare business.
so you'd prefer it be run by corporations whose only goal is to turn a profit?
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions. Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary. Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad? No, you don't. You use insurance if you get in a wreck.
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?
Car insurance isn't used for every single issue a car has, as I have already explained.
I was responding to your point about people subsidizing others for their lifestyle choices. Taxes go toward the collective. I pay for someones 20 mile commute because they want to live outside of town with acres. Taxes should go to a single-payer health insurance system. Health care is something we all access and benefit from, therefore part of a collective domocracy.
And that is the main disagreement. Government should not be in the healthcare business.
so you'd prefer it be run by corporations whose only goal is to turn a profit?
So you'd prefer it to be run by government who has never actually run anything without a bloated budget and reckless spending?
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Are you saying that the coverage of pre-existing conditions is incompatible with insurance?
Are you saying that having insurance is not contingent on having coverage of pre-existing conditions?
Are you saying something else?
Same goes for healthcare. If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it. Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.
Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer? What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?
So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate. Call it what it really is, a gift.
That doesn't make sense in any real world scenarios, but at least I know what you meant now.
Thought process brought to you by the far right.
"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".
Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.
Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.
Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.
It doesn't matter to Unsung if it doesn't effect Unsung.
What is the problem then if no one is denied healthcare?
#MAGA
-EV 8/14/93
Don't worry, an altered photograph of a healthcare receipt is forthcoming to show that every taker gets what they need at the expense of one of our industrious makers!
Why should I be forced to pay for someone's cancer when they smoked for thirty years?
And don't give me the childhood illnesses either, I haven't heard anyone dispute that.
And life is a crap shoot. None of us has a perfect lifestyle, partly because there is no clear consensus on what that is. All of us have unhealthy habits; we just justify them as not as bad as someone else's unhealthy habits. And far more of health outcomes relate to someone's genetic endowment than you think, and none of us have control over that.
I understand and agree it sucks to pay for someone's health care who knowingly makes unhealthy decisions.
Now, say this person with lung cancer comes into your hospital (you are a doctor). Are you going to "pull the plug" on them and say "Sorry, I'm not going to treat you because you have no money. Please go outside and slowly die." If you would do that, then you are being true to your convictions. If not, let's stop beating around the bush and just realize there are going to be irresponsible people we as a society have to take care of when it comes to health care.
Health care is one of the items that is most ideally suited to be delivered by government, so I can only assume this is just part and parcel of your general opinion that government should not be involved in any aspect of life.
Unless you are actually focusing on the "business" aspect, in which case I agree with you - health care should not be run under a business model. But I don't think that's what you meant.
-EV 8/14/93