Recent Wave of Immigrant Arrests - What Does it Mean?
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How oddGodfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
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How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
someone's either posting from their phone or using a new spellcheck called "GFcheck".Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop head she off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance Justin the same.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
LolHughFreakingDillon said:
someone's either posting from their phone or using a new spellcheck called "GFcheck".Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop head she off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance Justin the same.
I just reread it and edited. Gawddamn spell check can make you sound like GF."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
A better way to approach your argument is to either make it an argument about religion or an argument about cultural anthropology. I would guess most people on his board are not well versed in Muslim text. (Muslim scholars, anyone?) People who interpret the texts may use the words to promote violence, and a greater focus on other challenging influences would be appropriate, e.g., examples of people joining ISIS because of Muslim Ban.Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird0 -
I loved "reeks of ignorance Justin the same".....Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
LolHughFreakingDillon said:
someone's either posting from their phone or using a new spellcheck called "GFcheck".Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop head she off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance Justin the same.
I just reread it and edited. Gawddamn spell check can make you sound like GF.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I'm proud of that. It's the first time ever it has been uttered in the history of mankind!oftenreading said:
I loved "reeks of ignorance Justin the same".....Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
LolHughFreakingDillon said:
someone's either posting from their phone or using a new spellcheck called "GFcheck".Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop head she off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance Justin the same.
I just reread it and edited. Gawddamn spell check can make you sound like GF."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Catholic priests who molest children should be in jail, not protected and covered up by the church. This was/is a problem and is actually being addressed. I'm Catholic and had to go thru FBI and child abuse background checks as well as take child molestation prevention classes just to volunteer at my son's school. It would be better to compare the pedophilia of the Catholic Church to the abuse and treatment of women by the Muslim faith. To compare it to decapitation of Christians by radical Islam extremists is just ignorant. Think you're better than that Thirty...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0 -
It's all nonsense.oftenreading said:
Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
One can point to multiple atrocities on the part of Christianity stupidity (witches, crusades, etc.); however, I wanted to point out a current Christian blemish that good, God fearing Christians don't speak about and in many cases excuse and cover up."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of criticizing another religion when your own religion isn't fantastic either.PP193448 said:
Catholic priests who molest children should be in jail, not protected and covered up by the church. This was/is a problem and is actually being addressed. I'm Catholic and had to go thru FBI and child abuse background checks as well as take child molestation prevention classes just to volunteer at my son's school. It would be better to compare the pedophilia of the Catholic Church to the abuse and treatment of women by the Muslim faith. To compare it to decapitation of Christians by radical Islam extremists is just ignorant. Think you're better than that Thirty...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I'm not disagreeing with you (on this point, at leastThirty Bills Unpaid said:
It's all nonsense.oftenreading said:
Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
One can point to multiple atrocities on the part of Christianity stupidity (witches, crusades, etc.); however, I wanted to point out a current Christian blemish that good, God fearing Christians don't speak about and in many cases excuse and cover up.
)
(But if someone has to believe nonsense, I'd prefer it to be a version of nonsense that promotes tolerance, love, and peaceful coexistence)my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Like Buddhism?oftenreading said:
I'm not disagreeing with you (on this point, at leastThirty Bills Unpaid said:
It's all nonsense.oftenreading said:
Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
One can point to multiple atrocities on the part of Christianity stupidity (witches, crusades, etc.); however, I wanted to point out a current Christian blemish that good, God fearing Christians don't speak about and in many cases excuse and cover up. )
(But if someone has to believe nonsense, I'd prefer it to be a version of nonsense that promotes tolerance, love, and peaceful coexistence)"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
spot onoftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?0 -
Like FSM, though I'm not picky.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Like Buddhism?oftenreading said:
I'm not disagreeing with you (on this point, at leastThirty Bills Unpaid said:
It's all nonsense.oftenreading said:
Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?Godfather. said:
always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.oftenreading said:
Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.Godfather. said:
what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..RunIntoTheRain said:
You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?
The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.
Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
One can point to multiple atrocities on the part of Christianity stupidity (witches, crusades, etc.); however, I wanted to point out a current Christian blemish that good, God fearing Christians don't speak about and in many cases excuse and cover up. )
(But if someone has to believe nonsense, I'd prefer it to be a version of nonsense that promotes tolerance, love, and peaceful coexistence)
Actually, that's not true. I am picky.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
thank you all for the wonderful entertainment, as far as muslam being a religion of peace and understanding......non of you have a leg to stand on and your reply's just proved my point and yet all you can do is bring up Christianity and Catholic Priest'...a sure sign you've hit a wall with your pro argument for muslam .Post edited by Godfather. on0
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when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!0
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Was there anything personal?Godfather. said:when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!
I thought the recent string of comments referred to the ignorance of a couple religions and how they both shared cult-like qualities?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I just read back. Nothing personal that I can see, beyond the GF Spellchecker. But we need to take into account the special sensitivities of some people.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Was there anything personal?Godfather. said:when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!
I thought the recent string of comments referred to the ignorance of a couple religions and how they both shared cult-like qualities?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I just waved my hands around my chest and muttered some stuff. I'm forgiven. How about you?oftenreading said:
I just read back. Nothing personal that I can see, beyond the GF Spellchecker. But we need to take into account the special sensitivities of some people.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Was there anything personal?Godfather. said:when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!
I thought the recent string of comments referred to the ignorance of a couple religions and how they both shared cult-like qualities?"My brain's a good brain!"0
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