Recent Wave of Immigrant Arrests - What Does it Mean?
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Haha, true statementPJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
All of us here have found the church of Pearl Jam and we are all nutty to our friends.
Oh the irony.0 -
no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.HughFreakingDillon said:not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.
so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?
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you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
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in your country, yes, it is considered a misdemeanor.Godfather. said:
no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.HughFreakingDillon said:not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.
so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?
so is public intoxication, which means most of us have committed equal crimes.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
LOL !!! so then we agree that every illegal immigrant is a criminal ?........you know I couldn't let that one just slip by. LOL !!!HughFreakingDillon said:
in your country, yes, it is considered a misdemeanor.Godfather. said:
no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.HughFreakingDillon said:not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.
so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?
so is public intoxication, which means most of us have committed equal crimes.
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yes, under US law, they are. who ever said they weren't?Godfather. said:
LOL !!! so then we agree that every illegal immigrant is a criminal ?........you know I couldn't let that one just slip by. LOL !!!HughFreakingDillon said:
in your country, yes, it is considered a misdemeanor.Godfather. said:
no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.HughFreakingDillon said:not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.
so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?
so is public intoxication, which means most of us have committed equal crimes.
if you think that's what trump was saying, you are sadly mistaken. he said "rapists and murderers". he didn't say "they are all criminals since they are entering our country illegally".By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
right wing snowflakes are afraid of everyone... except crazy white people with AR-15's lol0
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You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?Godfather. said:
you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?HughFreakingDillon said:
I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.Godfather. said:
no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained bordersHughFreakingDillon said:
comprehension problem?Godfather. said:
????? really ?HughFreakingDillon said:
well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.unsung said:
We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.josevolution said:
Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?HughFreakingDillon said:
yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!unsung said:
Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.oftenreading said:
Well said, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.unsung said:At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?
Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.
Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.
Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..
your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.
no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?
So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?0 -
no that's not what I think he's saying and remember his statement about Mexico sending us rapists and murderers he NEVER said all Mexicans are rapists and murderers but Clinton had a hay day with that one and that's probably one of the reasons she lost support from some of the Mexican people...a lie is a lie is a lie in any language.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, under US law, they are. who ever said they weren't?Godfather. said:
LOL !!! so then we agree that every illegal immigrant is a criminal ?........you know I couldn't let that one just slip by. LOL !!!HughFreakingDillon said:
in your country, yes, it is considered a misdemeanor.Godfather. said:
no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.HughFreakingDillon said:not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.
so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?
so is public intoxication, which means most of us have committed equal crimes.
if you think that's what trump was saying, you are sadly mistaken. he said "rapists and murderers". he didn't say "they are all criminals since they are entering our country illegally".
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for hopefully the last time, this is what he said:Godfather. said:
no that's not what I think he's saying and remember his statement about Mexico sending us rapists and murderers he NEVER said all Mexicans are rapists and murderers but Clinton had a hay day with that one and that's probably one of the reasons she lost support from some of the Mexican people...a lie is a lie is a lie in any language.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, under US law, they are. who ever said they weren't?Godfather. said:
LOL !!! so then we agree that every illegal immigrant is a criminal ?........you know I couldn't let that one just slip by. LOL !!!HughFreakingDillon said:
in your country, yes, it is considered a misdemeanor.Godfather. said:
no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.HughFreakingDillon said:not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.
so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?
so is public intoxication, which means most of us have committed equal crimes.
if you think that's what trump was saying, you are sadly mistaken. he said "rapists and murderers". he didn't say "they are all criminals since they are entering our country illegally".
QUOTE: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
I don't recall Clinton ever claiming that he said all mexicans are rapists. she only said what he said, that they are ONLY SENDING rapists, murderers, etc.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
To boot...HughFreakingDillon said:
for hopefully the last time, this is what he said:Godfather. said:
no that's not what I think he's saying and remember his statement about Mexico sending us rapists and murderers he NEVER said all Mexicans are rapists and murderers but Clinton had a hay day with that one and that's probably one of the reasons she lost support from some of the Mexican people...a lie is a lie is a lie in any language.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, under US law, they are. who ever said they weren't?Godfather. said:
LOL !!! so then we agree that every illegal immigrant is a criminal ?........you know I couldn't let that one just slip by. LOL !!!HughFreakingDillon said:
in your country, yes, it is considered a misdemeanor.Godfather. said:
no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.HughFreakingDillon said:not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.
so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?
so is public intoxication, which means most of us have committed equal crimes.
if you think that's what trump was saying, you are sadly mistaken. he said "rapists and murderers". he didn't say "they are all criminals since they are entering our country illegally".
QUOTE: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
I don't recall Clinton ever claiming that he said all mexicans are rapists. she only said what he said, that they are ONLY SENDING rapists, murderers, etc.
Mexico isn't 'sending its people'.
I think he's watched Scarface too much."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
PJPOWER said:
Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...Go Beavers said:
Really? Which countries?PJPOWER said:
That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...my2hands said:any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim
Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/PJPOWER said:
Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...Go Beavers said:
Really? Which countries?PJPOWER said:
That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...my2hands said:any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim
Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/
And when minorities are treated poorly or even killed in the US due to their race or group they belong to you attibute that to what?PJPOWER said:
Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...Go Beavers said:
Really? Which countries?PJPOWER said:
That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...my2hands said:any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim
Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/0 -
Most definitely not the predominant culture or mentality of the US...as it is in many of these places. Usually a lone nutcase or two in the US instead of an acceptable public hanging or stoning as happens in those oppressive countries. You are creating a false equivalency, lolGo Beavers said:PJPOWER said:
Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...Go Beavers said:
Really? Which countries?PJPOWER said:
That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...my2hands said:any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim
Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/PJPOWER said:
Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...Go Beavers said:
Really? Which countries?PJPOWER said:
That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...my2hands said:any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim
Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/
And when minorities are treated poorly or even killed in the US due to their race or group they belong to you attibute that to what?PJPOWER said:
Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...Go Beavers said:
Really? Which countries?PJPOWER said:
That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...my2hands said:any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim
Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
As usual, it's attributed to the "lone nutcase" when something happens in the US, and it's attributes to religion when it happens somewhere we have less contact and knowledge of. It's not about the religion, it's about power, fear and manipulation. The "lone nutcase" in the US is acting under a similar dynamic. Watch as we hear more about federal agents abusing their power and not following the law as they are following the lead of the new administration. Watch as more trump followers kill more people0
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More false equivalencies...the cultural acceptance of such actions in the US is no where close to what it is in the countries I mentioned. And why single out "Trump followers"? I would argue that MOST of the semi-recent mass shootings and terrorist attacks in the US were not done by "Trump followers" or by anyone that aligned with his beliefs. In fact, MOST of the violence lately has been perpetuated by the other end of the spectrum. And you accuse others of demonizing and profiling...Deplorable!Go Beavers said:As usual, it's attributed to the "lone nutcase" when something happens in the US, and it's attributes to religion when it happens somewhere we have less contact and knowledge of. It's not about the religion, it's about power, fear and manipulation. The "lone nutcase" in the US is acting under a similar dynamic. Watch as we hear more about federal agents abusing their power and not following the law as they are following the lead of the new administration. Watch as more trump followers kill more people
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If that isn't the damned truth, strike me with lightning right now...HughFreakingDillon said:
I think borders are stupid in the philisophical sense. yes, borders are obviously required for economics; countries would collapse without them. But you, and many other americans, think a border means I can't have an opinion, and that's just plain stupid.Godfather. said:HFD you dislike borders right ? do you enjoy living in Canada without the pesky laws that govern the United States ? or other countries' ?
your open border and free reign for the people idea is noble but seriously un-workable....it's a hippy pipe dream and hopefully someday you'll realize open borders will never work.
not to mention that many americans don't give a sweet fuck about the sovereignty of other nations' borders, but when it comes to their own, it's "GET THE FUCK OFF MY LAWN". it's fundamentally hypocritical.
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My point isn't to draw out an equivilancy, it's to comment on how people view what motivates others. In the US, like you pointed out, motives are isolated to the individual making their own individual choice. When it's someone elsewhere, of a different culture/religion, their motivation is applied to the group you assign them to. Most violence in the US is done by white males, so what do you attribute that to?PJPOWER said:
More false equivalencies...the cultural acceptance of such actions in the US is no where close to what it is in the countries I mentioned. And why single out "Trump followers"? I would argue that MOST of the semi-recent mass shootings and terrorist attacks in the US were not done by "Trump followers" or by anyone that aligned with his beliefs. In fact, MOST of the violence lately has been perpetuated by the other end of the spectrum. And you accuse others of demonizing and profiling...Deplorable!Go Beavers said:As usual, it's attributed to the "lone nutcase" when something happens in the US, and it's attributes to religion when it happens somewhere we have less contact and knowledge of. It's not about the religion, it's about power, fear and manipulation. The "lone nutcase" in the US is acting under a similar dynamic. Watch as we hear more about federal agents abusing their power and not following the law as they are following the lead of the new administration. Watch as more trump followers kill more people
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Yeah, you're going to have to offer some links to back up where you are getting that from. Here is a pre-rebuttal:Go Beavers said:
My point isn't to draw out an equivilancy, it's to comment on how people view what motivates others. In the US, like you pointed out, motives are isolated to the individual making their own individual choice. When it's someone elsewhere, of a different culture/religion, their motivation is applied to the group you assign them to. Most violence in the US is done by white males, so what do you attribute that to?PJPOWER said:
More false equivalencies...the cultural acceptance of such actions in the US is no where close to what it is in the countries I mentioned. And why single out "Trump followers"? I would argue that MOST of the semi-recent mass shootings and terrorist attacks in the US were not done by "Trump followers" or by anyone that aligned with his beliefs. In fact, MOST of the violence lately has been perpetuated by the other end of the spectrum. And you accuse others of demonizing and profiling...Deplorable!Go Beavers said:As usual, it's attributed to the "lone nutcase" when something happens in the US, and it's attributes to religion when it happens somewhere we have less contact and knowledge of. It's not about the religion, it's about power, fear and manipulation. The "lone nutcase" in the US is acting under a similar dynamic. Watch as we hear more about federal agents abusing their power and not following the law as they are following the lead of the new administration. Watch as more trump followers kill more people
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/
And these are not isolated incidents in those countries, but an acceptable way to deal with non-believers based on their fucked up interpretation of Sharia law...the predominant law of those lands.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
What do you attribute white male violence too, regardless of the rate?PJPOWER said:
Yeah, you're going to have to offer some links to back up where you are getting that from. Here is a pre-rebuttal:Go Beavers said:
My point isn't to draw out an equivilancy, it's to comment on how people view what motivates others. In the US, like you pointed out, motives are isolated to the individual making their own individual choice. When it's someone elsewhere, of a different culture/religion, their motivation is applied to the group you assign them to. Most violence in the US is done by white males, so what do you attribute that to?PJPOWER said:
More false equivalencies...the cultural acceptance of such actions in the US is no where close to what it is in the countries I mentioned. And why single out "Trump followers"? I would argue that MOST of the semi-recent mass shootings and terrorist attacks in the US were not done by "Trump followers" or by anyone that aligned with his beliefs. In fact, MOST of the violence lately has been perpetuated by the other end of the spectrum. And you accuse others of demonizing and profiling...Deplorable!Go Beavers said:As usual, it's attributed to the "lone nutcase" when something happens in the US, and it's attributes to religion when it happens somewhere we have less contact and knowledge of. It's not about the religion, it's about power, fear and manipulation. The "lone nutcase" in the US is acting under a similar dynamic. Watch as we hear more about federal agents abusing their power and not following the law as they are following the lead of the new administration. Watch as more trump followers kill more people
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/
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A predominantly unacceptable form of aggression? Why are you focusing on whites? If whites were the predominant race in Libya and were looking for people to kill based on their religion, then I would contribute the same cultural/religious guiding factors to them. You are once again trying to bring up false equivalencies to defend your loose rhetoric. It's not a race thing, it's a cultural thing in those nations. Is it acceptable for whites (or any other race) to stone women because of how they dress in the US? It's the same cultural/religious aspects that allow for that type of behavior as well in those nations. And it's the very reason many people are not in favor of mass migration from those countries into their neighborhoods.Go Beavers said:
What do you attribute white male violence too, regardless of the rate?PJPOWER said:
Yeah, you're going to have to offer some links to back up where you are getting that from. Here is a pre-rebuttal:Go Beavers said:
My point isn't to draw out an equivilancy, it's to comment on how people view what motivates others. In the US, like you pointed out, motives are isolated to the individual making their own individual choice. When it's someone elsewhere, of a different culture/religion, their motivation is applied to the group you assign them to. Most violence in the US is done by white males, so what do you attribute that to?PJPOWER said:
More false equivalencies...the cultural acceptance of such actions in the US is no where close to what it is in the countries I mentioned. And why single out "Trump followers"? I would argue that MOST of the semi-recent mass shootings and terrorist attacks in the US were not done by "Trump followers" or by anyone that aligned with his beliefs. In fact, MOST of the violence lately has been perpetuated by the other end of the spectrum. And you accuse others of demonizing and profiling...Deplorable!Go Beavers said:As usual, it's attributed to the "lone nutcase" when something happens in the US, and it's attributes to religion when it happens somewhere we have less contact and knowledge of. It's not about the religion, it's about power, fear and manipulation. The "lone nutcase" in the US is acting under a similar dynamic. Watch as we hear more about federal agents abusing their power and not following the law as they are following the lead of the new administration. Watch as more trump followers kill more people
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/Post edited by PJPOWER on0
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