Recent Wave of Immigrant Arrests - What Does it Mean?

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,493
    edited February 2017
    PP193448 said:

    dignin said:

    PP193448 said:

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    Why would she vote if she's not a legal citizen?? Just asking. Can you go and vote in Canada if your not a citizen there?? It is inappropriate and extreme to deport her, but why would you do something illegal to potentially lead to deportation?? Plus if she's been in the US all her life, why did she not go thru steps to become a legal citizen?? Seems like common sense to me...
    From the news coverage, it just looked as if she was genuinely confused about whether she could vote or not. I can kind of understand that; she grew up in the US, it was her country. She had legal status, was legally allowed to work, etc. Why would anyone risk all of that unless you didn't actually understand you were risking it?

    Anyway, she's back in Mexico, where she hasn't lived since childhood, and her children are in the US without their mother. Great outcome.
    Is she? I thought she has to serve her sentence first, then she gets deported. I may have read that wrong. I hope I did, I would rather her deported than spend 8 years in prison then get deported.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/us/illegal-voting-gets-texas-woman-8-years-in-prison-and-certain-deportation.html
    Whoops, you're right, and thank you. Somehow I had forgotten that little detail - 8 years in jail first, then deportation. For voting.
    That is fucking ridiculous!!! At least Trump could pardon the jail time...
    Sure he could. But why would he? She's part of the violent horde of criminals just waiting to simultaneously take your jobs and sit on social assistance.

    So now the state will pay to feed and clothe and house her for 8 years, when previously she was feeding and clothing and housing herself and her children.
    Post edited by oftenreading on
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,733

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Word is that there is about to be roughly 10,000 career opportunities here:
    https://www.ice.gov/careers
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,493

    PP193448 said:

    dignin said:

    PP193448 said:

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    Why would she vote if she's not a legal citizen?? Just asking. Can you go and vote in Canada if your not a citizen there?? It is inappropriate and extreme to deport her, but why would you do something illegal to potentially lead to deportation?? Plus if she's been in the US all her life, why did she not go thru steps to become a legal citizen?? Seems like common sense to me...
    From the news coverage, it just looked as if she was genuinely confused about whether she could vote or not. I can kind of understand that; she grew up in the US, it was her country. She had legal status, was legally allowed to work, etc. Why would anyone risk all of that unless you didn't actually understand you were risking it?

    Anyway, she's back in Mexico, where she hasn't lived since childhood, and her children are in the US without their mother. Great outcome.
    Is she? I thought she has to serve her sentence first, then she gets deported. I may have read that wrong. I hope I did, I would rather her deported than spend 8 years in prison then get deported.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/us/illegal-voting-gets-texas-woman-8-years-in-prison-and-certain-deportation.html
    Whoops, you're right, and thank you. Somehow I had forgotten that little detail - 8 years in jail first, then deportation. For voting.
    That is fucking ridiculous!!! At least Trump could pardon the jail time...
    HaH! Not going to happen
    She was clearly part of the millions of illegal votes.
    Even if she voted for the wrong person.
    Yeah. I mean, she voted. That's a horrible crime. It's not like she raped anyone or something minor like that; then she'd get six months, let out after three for good behaviour. Of course, for that you need to be a white male athlete.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    edited February 2017
    tbergs said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Unsung, do you have any idea what it's like to be poor or homeless? Ever visited your local shelter when they're all lined up to be let in for a cot to sleep on with everything on their back they own? Do you think people enjoy going to the salvation army? Getting food stamps or WIC support? You act like those who are poor live so well that they have no reason to get a job because they've got it made.

    Quit your job, give away all your possessions and then go to the local job corps and see how easy it is to find a job that will pay you enough to support basic human needs; food, shelter and clothes. If only they could afford to pay for a membership to post on PJ's forum and put down you and your narrow minded ignorant viewpoint.
    Yes.

    Odd, you list examples of problems that exist in this country yet you and other want to bring in more of these people from third world countries. How about taking care of the current ones without adding more.
    Post edited by unsung on
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,101
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
    as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,493

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,150

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
    seriously. jesus.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,101
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
    really ?

    it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
    as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,811

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
    really ?

    What on Earth were you saying?
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,733

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    So why give people the false hope that if they immigrate to the US, it will be all rainbows and unicorns? If we do not have the jobs, food, healthcare or other means to provide for people already here, why do we keep trying to adopt more and more? The US has turned into the cat lady.
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,436
    rgambs said:

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
    really ?

    What on Earth were you saying?
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  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DCPosts: 6,990
    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    So why give people the false hope that if they immigrate to the US, it will be all rainbows and unicorns? If we do not have the jobs, food, healthcare or other means to provide for people already here, why do we keep trying to adopt more and more? The US has turned into the cat lady.
    My grandparents were told wonderful things about the US. This was in the early 1900s. I think most people come here for opportunity or to escape oppression. Contemprary immigrants come here for the same reasons. I can't think of the US without a welcoming immigration policy as so many people in this country are part of the immigration legacy.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,150
    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    So why give people the false hope that if they immigrate to the US, it will be all rainbows and unicorns? If we do not have the jobs, food, healthcare or other means to provide for people already here, why do we keep trying to adopt more and more? The US has turned into the cat lady.
    it's not false hope if it's still better than where they are.
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    It's like the trash took itself out"
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,408
    Ms. Haiku said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    So why give people the false hope that if they immigrate to the US, it will be all rainbows and unicorns? If we do not have the jobs, food, healthcare or other means to provide for people already here, why do we keep trying to adopt more and more? The US has turned into the cat lady.
    My grandparents were told wonderful things about the US. This was in the early 1900s. I think most people come here for opportunity or to escape oppression. Contemprary immigrants come here for the same reasons. I can't think of the US without a welcoming immigration policy as so many people in this country are part of the immigration legacy.
    we're all immigrants here. whether it's goes back one generation or 15...we're all immigrants.

    also, I don't believe that it's false hope at all. look around the world and tell me that if you were in some of those countries/situations that you wouldn't be looking elsewhere to have the best life for yourself and your family. if you say otherwise, you're either lying to yourself or you need to take your blinders off.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    rgambs said:

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
    really ?

    What on Earth were you saying?
    We have to learn bafoonism it's the new language and soon to come Russian!!
    cool, maybe it will replace Spanish ?

    it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
    as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,408

    rgambs said:

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
    really ?

    What on Earth were you saying?
    We have to learn bafoonism it's the new language and soon to come Russian!!
    cool, maybe it will replace Spanish ?

    Unreal.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,150
    mfc2006 said:

    rgambs said:

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
    really ?

    What on Earth were you saying?
    We have to learn bafoonism it's the new language and soon to come Russian!!
    cool, maybe it will replace Spanish ?

    Unreal.
    he's just trolling.
    "It's so nice when toxic people stop talking to you.
    It's like the trash took itself out"
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,408

    mfc2006 said:

    rgambs said:

    the mainstream media will have you believe that the recent wave of door to door deportations was mothers and hotel maids...but the truth is ALL those arrested and set for deportation have criminal records including rape and murder...and that's who you guy are defending.

    And by criminal record you include the woman who was deported because she voted, right? That heinous act of voting..... for Trump.
    illegal immigrant who voted 3 times in just the last election ? that's sounds like a criminal record to me.

    No. The immigrant who was brought to the US by her family when she was a young child, who had lived in the US all her life, who was employed, raising her children, and had landed immigrant status. She voted - once - in the election, and got deported for it a couple of weeks ago.
    a man robs a bank, he spends the money to feed his family and pay his rent when suddenly 6 and a half years later DNA testing ties him to the robbery and proves his guilt beyond reasonable doubt and is given 10 years in a federal prison and forced to pay fines and restitution .......ain't that a drag, I guess his family should have made better choices in life and convinced him not to rob a bank right ?

    I would respond if I had any idea what you point was here.

    Are you equating voting with robbing a bank?
    really ?

    What on Earth were you saying?
    We have to learn bafoonism it's the new language and soon to come Russian!!
    cool, maybe it will replace Spanish ?

    Unreal.
    he's just trolling.
    I know it. That doesn't make any less disgusting, though.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    I readily admit there are limited opportunities, thanks for agreeing.

    Now why do you want to import more poor when there are not opportunities for them to be productive?
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,919
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    I readily admit there are limited opportunities, thanks for agreeing.

    Now why do you want to import more poor when there are not opportunities for them to be productive?
    That's what my old great great great gran pappy used to say.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,150
    dignin said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    I readily admit there are limited opportunities, thanks for agreeing.

    Now why do you want to import more poor when there are not opportunities for them to be productive?
    That's what my old great great great gran pappy used to say.
    LOL!
    "It's so nice when toxic people stop talking to you.
    It's like the trash took itself out"
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,733

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    So why give people the false hope that if they immigrate to the US, it will be all rainbows and unicorns? If we do not have the jobs, food, healthcare or other means to provide for people already here, why do we keep trying to adopt more and more? The US has turned into the cat lady.
    it's not false hope if it's still better than where they are.
    Maybe I should say "exaggerated" hope.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Living wage job is not a right.
    I didn't know I said it was. What about the question?
    I want to live the lifestyle of a rock star. I deserve it because I said so.
    See, the answer is no, that there aren't jobs for everyone. But what underlies your position is the assumption that there is an open job for everyone.
    I readily admit there are limited opportunities, thanks for agreeing.

    Now why do you want to import more poor when there are not opportunities for them to be productive?
    Maybe there would be more jobs waiting on them on farms and ranches if....oh what a conundrum.
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DCPosts: 6,990
    Just read more articles about the DHS memos and the wall. Building a wall is activating a type of Cold War. Its wrong.
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,515
    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    At the point when the system doesn't create poverty and an outrageous imbalance in the distribution of wealth... so essentially, when there are no more poor people. Does that work for you?
    Stop giving them incentives to remain poor then.
    So you're saying there's living wage jobs for everyone and those jobs are sitting unfilled?
    Word is that there is about to be roughly 10,000 career opportunities here:
    https://www.ice.gov/careers
    cool... 10,000 government jobs and a $30,000,000,000 wall....

    brought to you by small government fiscally conservative republicans? lol
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