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BS44325 · February 2017

Go Beavers said:
I think surveys are showing a majority support the stopping of trump's EO.

Nope.

https://morningconsult.com/2017/02/08/trump-approval-rating-slides-despite-support-travel-ban/

BS44325 · February 2017

ledvedderman said:
Oh Benghazi. The Republicans love, care and support the lives lost there so much...when Hillary is running for President. When she isn't? Nothing.

It's pretty safe to say it was strictly political at this point and not about "truth".

The truth was already revealed.

mrussel1 · February 2017

Oh and one more thing... Again, this is what happens when you read

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
Negative. You're missing my point. Trump hates to lose. I'm talking about trolling his dumb ass.

And the case isn't nearly as cut and dry as you might think from reading the Conservative Tree House. Yes the POTUS has broad discretion when it comes to defense but it also has to comport with immigration laws which is clearly in the purview of the legislative branch. The only 'reprieve' from that would be a specific crisis to mitigate or event to avoid. His lawyers could not make that case on appeal. The weakness of the plaintiff's case (the states) is standing. It would be a very strong case if this was brought by an actual person denied entry or by Congress.

You say it will be "clearly overturned".. so tell which of the four liberal judges is going to flip the deadlock to make it 5-3? Otherwise the 9th's decision holds.
I get your point on him "hating to lose" but I am explaining the reality to you that he doesn't actually "lose" with the stay of the order. It might be cathartic for some of you but long term it is a win for him politically. Second I am not even sure this will go to the Supreme Court...the approach hasn't been decided and the smarter play might just to be to rewrite the EO which he can easily do. The odds are if they go to the Supreme Court they will wait until after the Gorsuch confirmation which increases the likelihood of the stay being overturned. You have to realize that even liberal legal minds who do not like the EO recognize the wrongheadedness of the Ninth Circuit Decision. Troll away if you like but it leads the #resistance into a dead end. The emotional need to have Trump stopped on any subject is getting the better of all of you.

I agree the smart play is to re-write the order. However he will still face a challenge because of the tweets he has made that are rooted in anti-Muslim rhetoric. They are admissable.
Now if he waits for Gorsuch to be approved (which will be no short process) that torpedoes his argument about why he had to act so fast... bad hombres pouring in and such. Not sure how he squares those arguments.

BS44325 · February 2017

mrussel1 said:
Oh and one more thing... Again, this is what happens when you read
BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
Negative. You're missing my point. Trump hates to lose. I'm talking about trolling his dumb ass.

And the case isn't nearly as cut and dry as you might think from reading the Conservative Tree House. Yes the POTUS has broad discretion when it comes to defense but it also has to comport with immigration laws which is clearly in the purview of the legislative branch. The only 'reprieve' from that would be a specific crisis to mitigate or event to avoid. His lawyers could not make that case on appeal. The weakness of the plaintiff's case (the states) is standing. It would be a very strong case if this was brought by an actual person denied entry or by Congress.

You say it will be "clearly overturned".. so tell which of the four liberal judges is going to flip the deadlock to make it 5-3? Otherwise the 9th's decision holds.
I get your point on him "hating to lose" but I am explaining the reality to you that he doesn't actually "lose" with the stay of the order. It might be cathartic for some of you but long term it is a win for him politically. Second I am not even sure this will go to the Supreme Court...the approach hasn't been decided and the smarter play might just to be to rewrite the EO which he can easily do. The odds are if they go to the Supreme Court they will wait until after the Gorsuch confirmation which increases the likelihood of the stay being overturned. You have to realize that even liberal legal minds who do not like the EO recognize the wrongheadedness of the Ninth Circuit Decision. Troll away if you like but it leads the #resistance into a dead end. The emotional need to have Trump stopped on any subject is getting the better of all of you.
I agree the smart play is to re-write the order. However he will still face a challenge because of the tweets he has made that are rooted in anti-Muslim rhetoric. They are admissable.
Now if he waits for Gorsuch to be approved (which will be no short process) that torpedoes his argument about why he had to act so fast... bad hombres pouring in and such. Not sure how he squares those arguments.

He squares that with a new EO. Can proceed down both tracks at the same time. The part about the admissibility of campaign statements is highly questionable however and I can't imagine that standing up to further scrutiny.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · February 2017

I am reading that the great border WALL will cost more than the government originally thought, but I have not gotten involved in the design or negotiations yet. When I do, just like with the F-35 FighterJet or the Air Force One Program, price will come WAY DOWN! Melania and I are hosting Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Mrs. Abe at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Fla. They are a wonderful couple!

vaggar99 · February 2017

^^^
tweet back: where's Melania? is it true that she hates you?

mickeyrat · February 2017

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/

source for your assertion "a majority of voters" agree with this?

seems implausible given he garnered less than half of those who did in fact vote, much less the additional 90+million who were eligible but didnt vote at all.

BS44325 · February 2017

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
source for your assertion "a majority of voters" agree with this?

seems implausible given he garnered less than half of those who did in fact vote, much less the additional 90+million who were eligible but didnt vote at all.

Check the morning consult poll I linked to above. He's over 50% on the EO.

mickeyrat · February 2017

BS44325 said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
source for your assertion "a majority of voters" agree with this?

seems implausible given he garnered less than half of those who did in fact vote, much less the additional 90+million who were eligible but didnt vote at all.
Check the morning consult poll I linked to above. He's over 50% on the EO.

the link in the quote? please. something with a little more impartiality. what was the methodology. sample size. questions asked. etc....

mickeyrat · February 2017

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
source for your assertion "a majority of voters" agree with this?

seems implausible given he garnered less than half of those who did in fact vote, much less the additional 90+million who were eligible but didnt vote at all.
Check the morning consult poll I linked to above. He's over 50% on the EO.
the link in the quote? please. something with a little more impartiality. what was the methodology. sample size. questions asked. etc....

ok. I see what you referenced. they were clear i statingvregistered voters. but didnt say those that actually voted this cycle..... just sayin.

Cliffy6745 · February 2017

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I am reading that the great border WALL will cost more than the government originally thought, but I have not gotten involved in the design or negotiations yet. When I do, just like with the F-35 FighterJet or the Air Force One Program, price will come WAY DOWN! Melania and I are hosting Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Mrs. Abe at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Fla. They are a wonderful couple!

Why do we care how much it costs when we aren't the ones paying for it?

PJ_Soul · February 2017

RYME said:

RYME said:

eddiec said:

RYME said:
"At this point what difference does it make?"
Which is a great quote to use. So do you believe Pence when he alluded to Trump supporters that Hillary said this as as men lay dying in the embassy or do you know the actual truth of when she said it? Serious question.
Yes that was her answer when she was dodging Ron Johnson's questions about what happened at the embassy in Benghazi.
https://youtu.be/NNZkYuRY1xI
Donald Trump was my last choice during the primaries. But it was him or this woman.
And if you are worried about sex offenders, Check out Bill's wild past. Alright see I'm just going to piss you off more.

Bill wasn't a nominee though.
I really still cannot fathom how someone can look at Trump now, see how he's been since taking office, and keep thinking they chose the better person. It literally seems impossible to me that anyone is thinking Trump is a better option than Clinton no matter how much you might dislike her or how much false outrage one might feel about Benghazi or emails. Are you saying that is still your position? Even now? I'm not going to jump down your throat, I am just curious to know how you mihjt still justify that position now, with the complete shit show we're witnessing with Trump. I would expect "reasonable" Trump voters (voting for a sexual predator still befuddles me in any case) to be expressing regret at this point.

BS44325 · February 2017

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
source for your assertion "a majority of voters" agree with this?

seems implausible given he garnered less than half of those who did in fact vote, much less the additional 90+million who were eligible but didnt vote at all.
Check the morning consult poll I linked to above. He's over 50% on the EO.
the link in the quote? please. something with a little more impartiality. what was the methodology. sample size. questions asked. etc....
ok. I see what you referenced. they were clear i statingvregistered voters. but didnt say those that actually voted this cycle..... just sayin.

You're not sayin much. You are under a false assumption that there is a number of voters who stayed home that are now just itching to get back out and vote. History does not bare that out. Second the current politics of #resistance is far more in the President's favour.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/11/why-democrats-cant-just-obstruct-their-way-back-into-power/?utm_term=.39861c8aaf4f

PJ_Soul · February 2017

ledvedderman said:
Oh Benghazi. The Republicans love, care and support the lives lost there so much...when Hillary is running for President. When she isn't? Nothing.

It's pretty safe to say it was strictly political at this point and not about "truth".

No kidding. Ridiculous.

HesCalledDyer · February 2017

Jim Jefferies telling Piers Morgan to fuck off on live television is one of the great moments in TV history.

dignin · February 2017

HesCalledDyer said:
Jim Jefferies telling Piers Morgan to fuck off on live television is one of the great moments in TV history.

Yeah, I watched that. It was splendid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtDOqNlgoOE&feature=youtu.be

PJ_Soul · February 2017

Yeah, that's pretty good.

mickeyrat · February 2017

BS44325 said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
source for your assertion "a majority of voters" agree with this?

seems implausible given he garnered less than half of those who did in fact vote, much less the additional 90+million who were eligible but didnt vote at all.
Check the morning consult poll I linked to above. He's over 50% on the EO.
the link in the quote? please. something with a little more impartiality. what was the methodology. sample size. questions asked. etc....
ok. I see what you referenced. they were clear i statingvregistered voters. but didnt say those that actually voted this cycle..... just sayin.
You're not sayin much. You are under a false assumption that there is a number of voters who stayed home that are now just itching to get back out and vote. History does not bare that out. Second the current politics of #resistance is far more in the President's favour.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/11/why-democrats-cant-just-obstruct-their-way-back-into-power/?utm_term=.39861c8aaf4f

fair enough on the voter aspect. Still want to know what was asked. how it was framed etc. important details imo.

RYME · February 2017

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
Negative. You're missing my point. Trump hates to lose. I'm talking about trolling his dumb ass.

And the case isn't nearly as cut and dry as you might think from reading the Conservative Tree House. Yes the POTUS has broad discretion when it comes to defense but it also has to comport with immigration laws which is clearly in the purview of the legislative branch. The only 'reprieve' from that would be a specific crisis to mitigate or event to avoid. His lawyers could not make that case on appeal. The weakness of the plaintiff's case (the states) is standing. It would be a very strong case if this was brought by an actual person denied entry or by Congress.

You say it will be "clearly overturned".. so tell which of the four liberal judges is going to flip the deadlock to make it 5-3? Otherwise the 9th's decision holds.
I get your point on him "hating to lose" but I am explaining the reality to you that he doesn't actually "lose" with the stay of the order. It might be cathartic for some of you but long term it is a win for him politically. Second I am not even sure this will go to the Supreme Court...the approach hasn't been decided and the smarter play might just to be to rewrite the EO which he can easily do. The odds are if they go to the Supreme Court they will wait until after the Gorsuch confirmation which increases the likelihood of the stay being overturned. You have to realize that even liberal legal minds who do not like the EO recognize the wrongheadedness of the Ninth Circuit Decision. Troll away if you like but it leads the #resistance into a dead end. The emotional need to have Trump stopped on any subject is getting the better of all of you.

It wouldn't matter which GOP candidate won the nomination, and then the presidency.
The simple and overlooked fact is that most of the United States, like it or lump it rejected the path we were on. Yes Hillary won the popular vote.
But just look at the county by county national map. A blue dot here and there. But most of it is bright red. Look at the States that flipped red. Wisconsin has been consistently blue since Regan. Not anymore.
Do you think the radical left would have been any kinder to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz?
No it's not Donald Trump who they all despise. He just happens to be the president.
What they despise is conservatism.

dignin · February 2017

RYME said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:
Not going to appeal to SCOTUS... redraft coming
We all have to be sure we call this a defeat... the news needs to position it as such. That will really irk him.
What a hilarious post. Politically he wins on this no matter what. All that was defeated was a temporary 90 day travel ban that a majority of voters agrees with. Now the Democratic party has to run against tougher security measures and in support of a ridiculous court ruling that will clearly be overturned. Trump and the GOP can continue to run on judges and security which is a winner year after year. Lastly in a crazy turn of events a Ninth Circuit Judge has just requested an en banc review of the ruling by the entire court. This isn't the administration requesting a review but a Ninth Circuit judge him/herself. This shows concern of the weakness of their position and concern about legislation to break up the Ninth Circuit which has been discussed for years. The hysteria of the left continues to cloud the big picture and the Democrats would be insane to make opposition to the EO part of their platform. It is a massive loser.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
Negative. You're missing my point. Trump hates to lose. I'm talking about trolling his dumb ass.

And the case isn't nearly as cut and dry as you might think from reading the Conservative Tree House. Yes the POTUS has broad discretion when it comes to defense but it also has to comport with immigration laws which is clearly in the purview of the legislative branch. The only 'reprieve' from that would be a specific crisis to mitigate or event to avoid. His lawyers could not make that case on appeal. The weakness of the plaintiff's case (the states) is standing. It would be a very strong case if this was brought by an actual person denied entry or by Congress.

You say it will be "clearly overturned".. so tell which of the four liberal judges is going to flip the deadlock to make it 5-3? Otherwise the 9th's decision holds.
I get your point on him "hating to lose" but I am explaining the reality to you that he doesn't actually "lose" with the stay of the order. It might be cathartic for some of you but long term it is a win for him politically. Second I am not even sure this will go to the Supreme Court...the approach hasn't been decided and the smarter play might just to be to rewrite the EO which he can easily do. The odds are if they go to the Supreme Court they will wait until after the Gorsuch confirmation which increases the likelihood of the stay being overturned. You have to realize that even liberal legal minds who do not like the EO recognize the wrongheadedness of the Ninth Circuit Decision. Troll away if you like but it leads the #resistance into a dead end. The emotional need to have Trump stopped on any subject is getting the better of all of you.
It wouldn't matter which GOP candidate won the nomination, and then the presidency.
The simple and overlooked fact is that most of the United States, like it or lump it rejected the path we were on. Yes Hillary won the popular vote.
But just look at the county by county national map. A blue dot here and there. But most of it is bright red. Look at the States that flipped red. Wisconsin has been consistently blue since Regan. Not anymore.
Do you think the radical left would have been any kinder to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz?
No it's not Donald Trump who they all despise. He just happens to be the president.
What they despise is conservatism.

Nah.

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