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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    dignin said:

    This is your President

    Donald Trump threatens to withdraw federal funds from Berkeley University after Breitbart editor talk cancelled
    Police say ‘agitators’ smashed windows and started fires before Milo Yiannopoulos talk


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-breitbart-news-remove-federal-funding-berkeley-university-california-milo-yiannopoulos-a7558946.html

    When I think of this type of goofiness and his response to sanctuary cities... it is as if he thinks of himself as Dad giving allowances.

    Money for good, obedient behaviour.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited February 2017
    Cliffy6745 said:

    So military officials are already criticizing Trump's decision making based on one raid...

    Oops.

    US military officials: Trump-ordered raid in Yemen that killed US Navy SEAL was approved 'without sufficient intelligence'

    http://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-officials-trump-ordered-raid-in-yemen-that-killed-us-navy-seal-was-approved-without-sufficient-intelligence-2017-2

    I will add this comment I found on reddit because it's interesting

    It is being reported because some folks in the military and elsewhere are saying the raid was for a political show purpose.
    In other words Trump wanted to illustrate why we are banning immigrants from particular countries. The assertion is that he ordered the raid not because it was important to attack this location at this time, but because it was a target in one of the countries in the EO, and planning was done. What was obviously missing is final updated site intelligence. How bad was it? Our guys went in under armed and outnumbered. The reports say they quickly got into a massive fire fight and had to call in gunships to shoot their way out.
    How politically motivated was this raid? Well our newly minted Secty of Defense, Mattis, was informed of it while he was at the Alfalfa Dinner. He was not in the Situation Room and apparently did not know it was even on-going.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5rl2w0/us_military_officials_trumpordered_raid_in_yemen/?st=iyojjexu&sh=4f295f12
    Post edited by dignin on
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited February 2017
    https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1064682/us-raid-in-yemen-garners-intelligence
    Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis told reporters today.
    The operation had been planned for months, and was one in a series of aggressive actions against al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen, he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/trump-approved-yemen-raid-five-days-after-inauguration
    Both the New York Times and Reuters carried quotes from unnamed military officials that seemed to shift blame for the mission to Trump and his inner team. It would be an extraordinary development for a president, who is commander-in-chief, to be briefed against in such detail.

    The briefings suggested that one thing after another went wrong from the start of the mission, with the Yemen villagers seemingly alerted to the impending raid by drones flying lower than usual.

    The special forces, apparently lacking full intelligence, were confronted by heavily-fortified positions, including landmines, and faced heavy gunfire from buildings all around during the 50-minute firefight. One of the US planes sent in to help had to be left behind and was deliberately destroyed.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,228
    JC29856 said:

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1064682/us-raid-in-yemen-garners-intelligence
    Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis told reporters today.
    The operation had been planned for months, and was one in a series of aggressive actions against al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen, he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/trump-approved-yemen-raid-five-days-after-inauguration
    Both the New York Times and Reuters carried quotes from unnamed military officials that seemed to shift blame for the mission to Trump and his inner team. It would be an extraordinary development for a president, who is commander-in-chief, to be briefed against in such detail.

    The briefings suggested that one thing after another went wrong from the start of the mission, with the Yemen villagers seemingly alerted to the impending raid by drones flying lower than usual.

    The special forces, apparently lacking full intelligence, were confronted by heavily-fortified positions, including landmines, and faced heavy gunfire from buildings all around during the 50-minute firefight. One of the US planes sent in to help had to be left behind and was deliberately destroyed.

    Like President Trump always says.....*Believe me, it was a disaster*™

    Peace
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Iran dismisses 'ranting' Trump and vows more missile tests

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/middleeast/iran-trump-inexperienced-missile-test-warning/index.html?adkey=bn
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    to be fair, did no other presidents have "disasterous" military operations?
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    to be fair, did no other presidents have "disasterous" military operations?

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    to be fair, did no other presidents have "disasterous" military operations?

    What's the criteria to determine?

    According to the Pentagon valuable information was obtained from the raid.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,228
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    to be fair, did no other presidents have "disasterous" military operations?

    Yes, I'm sure they did but for the most part they may have used ALL the intelligence that was available to garner a successful mission. I'm surprised more Navy Seals weren't killed. Hopefully, the lesson to be learned here is make good used of all the Intel and be prepared from all sides as to what could go wrong.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,228
    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yet that short kid put up a good fight.....The commandos going into the raid knew they were screwed that should never be. In future missions let's hope our Navy Seals are more prepared for the giant or that short kid.

    Peace

    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    g under p said:

    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yet that short kid put up a good fight.....The commandos going into the raid knew they were screwed that should never be. In future missions let's hope our Navy Seals are more prepared for the giant or that short kid.

    Peace

    I don't disagree, like I said seems like some usual circumstances surrounded the raid.

    Do you think military personnel in general support Trump?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,535
    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Fitting since we have a middle school aged bully for a president. Trump is about making himself feel one way or another, and less about how his actions come across to others. He doesn't really care about other people or their perceptions. You're thinking he has some strategy, but narcissists don't need a strategy.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Go Beavers said:

    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Fitting since we have a middle school aged bully for a president. Trump is about making himself feel one way or another, and less about how his actions come across to others. He doesn't really care about other people or their perceptions. You're thinking he has some strategy, but narcissists don't need a strategy.
    Let's back up here...
    I didn't say he has strategy, the redditor did, I was responding to a post about a politically motivated theory from reddit.
    Pay attention.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,228
    JC29856 said:

    g under p said:

    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yet that short kid put up a good fight.....The commandos going into the raid knew they were screwed that should never be. In future missions let's hope our Navy Seals are more prepared for the giant or that short kid.

    Peace

    I don't disagree, like I said seems like some usual circumstances surrounded the raid.

    Do you think military personnel in general support Trump?
    Military personnel don't question those who are in command, they will follow orders and support those who are in charge the commander in chief etc. All they ask is to be given the proper equipment, weaponry and intelligence to complete their mission. Without those essentials going into a foreign country on these missions lessons their success rate considerably.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    g under p said:

    JC29856 said:

    g under p said:

    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yet that short kid put up a good fight.....The commandos going into the raid knew they were screwed that should never be. In future missions let's hope our Navy Seals are more prepared for the giant or that short kid.

    Peace

    I don't disagree, like I said seems like some usual circumstances surrounded the raid.

    Do you think military personnel in general support Trump?
    Military personnel don't question those who are in command, they will follow orders and support those who are in charge the commander in chief etc. All they ask is to be given the proper equipment, weaponry and intelligence to complete their mission. Without those essentials going into a foreign country on these missions lessons their success rate considerably.

    Peace
    Let's back up here... I didn't ask if military personnel questions their leaders.
    I asked in general in your opinion does military personnel support trump?
    You're not obligated to answer, it wasn't a gotcha question.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    g under p said:

    JC29856 said:

    g under p said:

    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yet that short kid put up a good fight.....The commandos going into the raid knew they were screwed that should never be. In future missions let's hope our Navy Seals are more prepared for the giant or that short kid.

    Peace

    I don't disagree, like I said seems like some usual circumstances surrounded the raid.

    Do you think military personnel in general support Trump?
    Military personnel don't question those who are in command, they will follow orders and support those who are in charge the commander in chief etc. All they ask is to be given the proper equipment, weaponry and intelligence to complete their mission. Without those essentials going into a foreign country on these missions lessons their success rate considerably.

    Peace
    Sounds like they are questioning their command now with all the leaks.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,876
    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yes I can certainly see Trump running a raid in a vassal state of Russia... seems likely that Putin would be all good with that.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,228
    JC29856 said:

    g under p said:

    JC29856 said:

    g under p said:

    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yet that short kid put up a good fight.....The commandos going into the raid knew they were screwed that should never be. In future missions let's hope our Navy Seals are more prepared for the giant or that short kid.

    Peace

    I don't disagree, like I said seems like some usual circumstances surrounded the raid.

    Do you think military personnel in general support Trump?
    Military personnel don't question those who are in command, they will follow orders and support those who are in charge the commander in chief etc. All they ask is to be given the proper equipment, weaponry and intelligence to complete their mission. Without those essentials going into a foreign country on these missions lessons their success rate considerably.

    Peace
    Let's back up here... I didn't ask if military personnel questions their leaders.
    I asked in general in your opinion does military personnel support trump?
    You're not obligated to answer, it wasn't a gotcha question.
    I didn't take it to be a gotcha question, I was just giving an overall analysis. The answer is yes absolutely.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,384
    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yes I can certainly see Trump running a raid in a vassal state of Russia... seems likely that Putin would be all good with that.
    "Vassal"?
    careful with the mensa words. :dizzy:
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited February 2017
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    ledvedderman said:

    So, this guy and his tiny penis/hands complex are going to start costing a lot of young people their lives sooner rather than later.

    This is all beyond insane. If people thought Obama apologizing for Bush was bad, they really won't like what's coming from the next president.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, won't get fooled again. Now watch me hit this tee shot.
    I hated that man with a passion, but I preferred him over the orange idiot.
    Trump makes Bush Jr. look like a fucking hippy genius, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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