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  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    edited February 2017
    the next EO will probably include a broader range of countries. it will fail miserably as well.
  • Has anyone considered that the 7countries placed on the list was from intelligence that President Trump now knows?
    Maybe there is more of a collective threat from those countries combined than the one that is not on the list and has committed the most recent terror attacks.

    What are you talking about? What attacks?
    I was responding in part to tbergs comment a few posts back "He also is trying to convince us that these 7 countries pose more of a threat than the one's who committed the most recent terror attacks on U.S. soil",

    but I also had this thought before I read that comment.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Has anyone considered that the 7countries placed on the list was from intelligence that President Trump now knows?
    Maybe there is more of a collective threat from those countries combined than the one that is not on the list and has committed the most recent terror attacks.

    Absolutely. Plus current actions are about responding to future threats and not responding to yesterday's terrorist attacks. People on here talk about how Trump should only behave consistently with what has occurred in the past. That is ridiculous.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    vaggar99 said:

    the next EO will probably include a broader range of countries. it will fail miserably as well.

    What do you mean "as well"? What has failed miserably?
  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    the next EO will probably include a broader range of countries. it will fail miserably as well.

    What do you mean "as well"? What has failed miserably?
    the first EO
  • RYMERYME Posts: 1,904
    BS44325 said:

    ^^^
    He clearly means "additional" restrictions. Of course you already know that. This is an example of the disingenuous left.

    I am as informed as you can get. Low information my ass!
  • RYMERYME Posts: 1,904
    RYME said:

    BS44325 said:

    ^^^
    He clearly means "additional" restrictions. Of course you already know that. This is an example of the disingenuous left.

    I am as informed as you can get. Low information my ass!
    BS44352, You are also highly informed. Cheers! Nice to have 1 buddy here.
  • RYMERYME Posts: 1,904
    edited February 2017

    Has anyone considered that the 7countries placed on the list was from intelligence that President Trump now knows?
    Maybe there is more of a collective threat from those countries combined than the one that is not on the list and has committed the most recent terror attacks.

    What are you talking about? What attacks?
    Our intelligence is very good and have caused many planned attacks to fail. That's why.
    We don't hear about that because that's how they snub them.
    Post edited by RYME on
  • "highly informed"= "you have the same opinion as me" on AMT
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    vaggar99 said:

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    the next EO will probably include a broader range of countries. it will fail miserably as well.

    What do you mean "as well"? What has failed miserably?
    the first EO
    It hasn't failed...yet. There is only a halt on it until legality is determined. In the end it could very well be a success?
  • BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ^^^
    He clearly means "additional" restrictions. Of course you already know that. This is an example of the disingenuous left.

    Words matter. We didn't realize you were his interpreter. And I think you should be careful assuming that every Trump voter knew that there was an immigration, visa, and green card policy in place already. But you are already know that.
    This is beneath you.
    Typical of your response. Oh how the right hates being called out. And how they hate defending the indefensible. Y'all just wish us libs would disappear. You still think Trump is "brilliant" don't you?
    I don't think anybody has successfully called me out yet. I also have only spent my time defending the defensible. What I find "indefensible" is when Trump goes all Halifax/Polaris by comparing Putin's actions to previous US actions...that shit's just insane. Do I still think he's "brilliant"? Hmmm...I flip flop back and forth on that everyday. I mean clearly he is "brilliant" but what I an interested is in results and the two don't always go hand and hand. That being said I believe he is playing his cards right to have the best chance at achieveing results. Add to that his ability to resist the progressive/media rage that no other republican would have the intestinal fortitude to withstand and my belief in his abilities only increases.

    Now if we can only do something about his Halifaxian worldview and move him in a more neocon direction...
    Good luck with that. The neocon view of the world is one of privileged white Christians, with little tolerance for anyone else. No thank you. When did I compare Putin's actions with The previous actions of the US?
    Are you joking? You believe Bush and Cheney are war criminals. You have the same view on Iraq that Trump does (so he says). When O'Reilly called Putin "a killer" and Trump said "is the US any better?" that was straight out of the Halifax/Polaris view of American history. It's an indefensible position that you have defended since day one on these boards.
    Wrong professor. I do believe Bush and Cheney are war criminals. I never equated previous US policy with Putin's Russia. However, that said, past US policy has an ugly underbelly and is not without consequences. The ugly side of which neocons deny, sugarcoat or ignore because the US was "great." Go ahead and defend the list of US actions in the 54 or so countries that we fucked with. And if US policy was so great, why doesn't Canada replicate it in their foreign policy?
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ^^^
    He clearly means "additional" restrictions. Of course you already know that. This is an example of the disingenuous left.

    Words matter. We didn't realize you were his interpreter. And I think you should be careful assuming that every Trump voter knew that there was an immigration, visa, and green card policy in place already. But you are already know that.
    This is beneath you.
    Typical of your response. Oh how the right hates being called out. And how they hate defending the indefensible. Y'all just wish us libs would disappear. You still think Trump is "brilliant" don't you?
    I don't think anybody has successfully called me out yet. I also have only spent my time defending the defensible. What I find "indefensible" is when Trump goes all Halifax/Polaris by comparing Putin's actions to previous US actions...that shit's just insane. Do I still think he's "brilliant"? Hmmm...I flip flop back and forth on that everyday. I mean clearly he is "brilliant" but what I an interested is in results and the two don't always go hand and hand. That being said I believe he is playing his cards right to have the best chance at achieveing results. Add to that his ability to resist the progressive/media rage that no other republican would have the intestinal fortitude to withstand and my belief in his abilities only increases.

    Now if we can only do something about his Halifaxian worldview and move him in a more neocon direction...
    Good luck with that. The neocon view of the world is one of privileged white Christians, with little tolerance for anyone else. No thank you. When did I compare Putin's actions with The previous actions of the US?
    Are you joking? You believe Bush and Cheney are war criminals. You have the same view on Iraq that Trump does (so he says). When O'Reilly called Putin "a killer" and Trump said "is the US any better?" that was straight out of the Halifax/Polaris view of American history. It's an indefensible position that you have defended since day one on these boards.
    Wrong professor. I do believe Bush and Cheney are war criminals. I never equated previous US policy with Putin's Russia. However, that said, past US policy has an ugly underbelly and is not without consequences. The ugly side of which neocons deny, sugarcoat or ignore because the US was "great." Go ahead and defend the list of US actions in the 54 or so countries that we fucked with. And if US policy was so great, why doesn't Canada replicate it in their foreign policy?
    Wrong professor? You agree with Trump! Your response is exactly the same as Trump's response to O'Reilly. You are defending the indefensible!
  • BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    the next EO will probably include a broader range of countries. it will fail miserably as well.

    What do you mean "as well"? What has failed miserably?
    the first EO
    It hasn't failed...yet. There is only a halt on it until legality is determined. In the end it could very well be a success?
    The fact that they will probably just do away with it and issue a new EO does make this one a failure though.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    the next EO will probably include a broader range of countries. it will fail miserably as well.

    What do you mean "as well"? What has failed miserably?
    the first EO
    It hasn't failed...yet. There is only a halt on it until legality is determined. In the end it could very well be a success?
    The fact that they will probably just do away with it and issue a new EO does make this one a failure though.
    I guess if that makes you feel better.
  • RYMERYME Posts: 1,904
    edited February 2017
    Barak Obama and the Hilda were trying to turn this country into Venezuela. If you don't get that, that makes You the low informed.
    Post edited by Kat on
  • See, you had me. I thought you were an informed, reasonable poster. But after that post?!? No chance.

    It should be an Internet mandate that if you are posting something negative about the intelligence of others, what you're posting better not have any sort of spelling or grammatical error anywhere. GF would have like 7 posts on this forum after all his years here.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    edited February 2017
    RYME said:

    Barak Obama and the Hilda were trying to turn this country into Venezuela. If you don't get that, that makes You the low informed.

    hahahahah...i'll take that as a frustrated rant. otherwise, i'd have to call you delusional.
    Post edited by Kat on
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,958
    edited February 2017
    RYME said:

    Barak Obama and the Hilda were trying to turn this country into Venezuela. If you don't get that, that makes You the low informed.

    That you even posit that shows how little you know.
    Post edited by Kat on
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  • BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ^^^
    He clearly means "additional" restrictions. Of course you already know that. This is an example of the disingenuous left.

    Words matter. We didn't realize you were his interpreter. And I think you should be careful assuming that every Trump voter knew that there was an immigration, visa, and green card policy in place already. But you are already know that.
    This is beneath you.
    Typical of your response. Oh how the right hates being called out. And how they hate defending the indefensible. Y'all just wish us libs would disappear. You still think Trump is "brilliant" don't you?
    I don't think anybody has successfully called me out yet. I also have only spent my time defending the defensible. What I find "indefensible" is when Trump goes all Halifax/Polaris by comparing Putin's actions to previous US actions...that shit's just insane. Do I still think he's "brilliant"? Hmmm...I flip flop back and forth on that everyday. I mean clearly he is "brilliant" but what I an interested is in results and the two don't always go hand and hand. That being said I believe he is playing his cards right to have the best chance at achieveing results. Add to that his ability to resist the progressive/media rage that no other republican would have the intestinal fortitude to withstand and my belief in his abilities only increases.

    Now if we can only do something about his Halifaxian worldview and move him in a more neocon direction...
    Good luck with that. The neocon view of the world is one of privileged white Christians, with little tolerance for anyone else. No thank you. When did I compare Putin's actions with The previous actions of the US?
    Are you joking? You believe Bush and Cheney are war criminals. You have the same view on Iraq that Trump does (so he says). When O'Reilly called Putin "a killer" and Trump said "is the US any better?" that was straight out of the Halifax/Polaris view of American history. It's an indefensible position that you have defended since day one on these boards.
    Wrong professor. I do believe Bush and Cheney are war criminals. I never equated previous US policy with Putin's Russia. However, that said, past US policy has an ugly underbelly and is not without consequences. The ugly side of which neocons deny, sugarcoat or ignore because the US was "great." Go ahead and defend the list of US actions in the 54 or so countries that we fucked with. And if US policy was so great, why doesn't Canada replicate it in their foreign policy?
    Wrong professor? You agree with Trump! Your response is exactly the same as Trump's response to O'Reilly. You are defending the indefensible!
    What exactly is indefensible? Do you honestly believe there are no negative outcomes of past US policy?
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  • RYMERYME Posts: 1,904
    vaggar99 said:

    RYME said:

    Barak Obama and the Hilda-bitch were trying to turn this country into Venezuela. If you don't get that, that makes You the low informed.

    hahahahah...i'll take that as a frustrated rant. otherwise, i'd have to call you delusional.
  • RYMERYME Posts: 1,904
    No I'm not frustrated. I was frustrated with the last 8 years.
    I'm happy with the way things turned out.
    Would have preferred Cruz or Rubio.
    But Trump over Hillary is a win for me.
    It stopped our descent.
    Delusional was thinking that Barak was the savior.
  • Ughhhh....but he did save our country in many ways. (It's "Barack" by the way) How in fact are we worse off now than 8 years ago? Stock market? No combat troops in Iraq? Insurance access to all?

    I will give you the police/African American relations. Is it Obama's fault? Not really. That's been boiling over for decades and it fell apart on Obama's watch.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,063
    edited February 2017
    RYME said:

    Barak Obama and the Hilda were trying to turn this country into Venezuela. If you don't get that, that makes You the low informed.

    The Venezuela reference is a fun one. I love how conservatives think we can turn into that country, or Greece, but mention a European country with a decent single payer system, and then they start talking about how we couldn't do it because the US is too large and it would be way more difficult and complicated than some little country.

    Oh, inform yourself on how his name is spelled.
    Post edited by Kat on
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    Along with the rest of the interesting article I found this to stick out more.
    The Japanese government is trying to deepen ties with the United States while carefully watching who has been trusted, who is powerful, and who will take the reins of Asia policies.
    Abe was offered an unprecedented level of red-carpet treatment when Trump accommodated him, including a summit meeting, joint press conference and Air Force One flight to Trump’s Florida villa for a round of golf.

    http://www.the-japan-news.com/news/article/0003516415
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Who the hell is Barak?

    Dude was only POTUS for 8 years lol
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited February 2017
    RYME said:

    Barak Obama and the Hilda were trying to turn this country into Venezuela. If you don't get that, that makes You the low informed.

    :dizzy:
    Post edited by Kat on
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    RYME said:

    Has anyone considered that the 7countries placed on the list was from intelligence that President Trump now knows?
    Maybe there is more of a collective threat from those countries combined than the one that is not on the list and has committed the most recent terror attacks.

    What are you talking about? What attacks?
    Our intelligence is very good and have caused many planned attacks to fail. That's why.
    We don't hear about that because that's how they snub them.
    The same intelligence that cleared Hillary and verified the golden showers dossier?

    agreed
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    RYME said:

    Has anyone considered that the 7countries placed on the list was from intelligence that President Trump now knows?
    Maybe there is more of a collective threat from those countries combined than the one that is not on the list and has committed the most recent terror attacks.

    What are you talking about? What attacks?
    Our intelligence is very good and have caused many planned attacks to fail. That's why.
    We don't hear about that because that's how they snub them.
    I thought Trump was very critical of our intelligence community in the weeks leading up to office. Strange...inconsistent messaging from the Right... You should send a thank you card to Obama for keeping your ass safe when Bush didn't.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    edited February 2017
    RYME said:

    Barak Obama and the Hilda were trying to turn this country into Venezuela. If you don't get that, that makes You the low informed.

    The right flank thinks we were turning into Venezuela. The left flank believes we are run by globalist capitalist pigs. As a man in the middle, this means Obama was doing something right. And I think all of our market investments would probably reinforce that belief.
    Post edited by Kat on
  • RYME said:

    Has anyone considered that the 7countries placed on the list was from intelligence that President Trump now knows?
    Maybe there is more of a collective threat from those countries combined than the one that is not on the list and has committed the most recent terror attacks.

    What are you talking about? What attacks?
    Our intelligence is very good and have caused many planned attacks to fail. That's why.
    We don't hear about that because that's how they snub them.
    Then there is no need for a ban. The vetting process works.
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