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PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

I'm getting real fucking tired of this "why weren't you protesting when..." rhetoric. Be glad people are exercising their constitutional rights NOW. You have to start somewhere. If all we did was sit back and say "why weren't you doing it when x,y,z," we could just keep pointing backwards to the evolution of man. It's a ridiculous argument and holds zero ground.

Just pointing out a bit of hypocrisy...I'm tired of the hypocrisy and am using my constitutional rights to point it out.

I'm looking forward to the day in the near future when trump does something rediculous, and when you google "obama did xyz, where's was the liberal outrage", and you get zero hits because Obama never did xyz. Then you'll be on board.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

I'm getting real fucking tired of this "why weren't you protesting when..." rhetoric. Be glad people are exercising their constitutional rights NOW. You have to start somewhere. If all we did was sit back and say "why weren't you doing it when x,y,z," we could just keep pointing backwards to the evolution of man. It's a ridiculous argument and holds zero ground.

Just pointing out a bit of hypocrisy...I'm tired of the hypocrisy and am using my constitutional rights to point it out.

And what purpose does pointing that out serve? It's in the past, we can't go back. We're starting now.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but that is not this forum's norm from either side of the equation. That, and there is plenty of "current" hypocrisy being exercised that can only be pointed out by exemplifying past events...

PJP...

Are you defending Trump... or are you defending yourself right now?

The deflection tactic begs the question from me.

Neither, just making conversation. I have no legitimate reason to defend Trump, but I do enjoy exposing hypocrisy in our politicians when I see it. Trump is an idiot, but there are definitely a few policies that I align (it's more obvious when I'm defending those). I feel that it is healthy in a discussion for people to hear opposing points of view though. I'm a bit of a debateoholic as well, so I wouldn't try to read too much into things. There are a few issues that I will adamantly argue my stance on, but others that I ride the fence on until I get some reasonable information to swing me one way or another. That, and when I see people being assholes or belittling people on these forums, I usually automatically join the conversation from the belittled point of view in their defense. Just depends on the day, really. But again, really, are apposing points of view not a cornerstone of any legitimate argument? Otherwise, nothing is learned by anyone If this is seen as trolling, then I welcome people to ignore me!

JC29856 said:

The hypocrisy isn't necessarily directed at those in these forums, its directed at the media and journalists.
Example: Media hysteria over Trumps temporary ban (90 day) on immigrants from 1 country named in his EO, including immigrants from 6 countries named by the previous administration. Take the 2011 Iraqi 6 month refugee ban that the transparency president Obama put into place that wasn't reported by the media for two years. So, either the transparency president wasn't so transparent about the Iraqi refugee ban or the media knew about it but took two years to finally get around to report it.
Isn't it the medias job to inform the public about such racist policies of banning Iraqi refugees for 6 months fleeing their war torn homeland?

there's a big difference between announcing a refugee ban on a certain group for national security interests and stranding citizens with green cards and visas in countries they don't live in. seriously, I was reading an account of one university professor that has lived in the US for 6 years. he went to Iran to visit his family there. he heard about the impending ban, and immediately booked a flight back. he took a flight to dubai. then got on a plan to washington. he was on the plane, and TSA agents came and escorted him off. he has a home and a dog and a job and his fucking car is still at the airport. you think this is acceptable and can seriously be blamed on Obama?

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

The hypocrisy isn't necessarily directed at those in these forums, its directed at the media and journalists.
Example: Media hysteria over Trumps temporary ban (90 day) on immigrants from 1 country named in his EO, including immigrants from 6 countries named by the previous administration. Take the 2011 Iraqi 6 month refugee ban that the transparency president Obama put into place that wasn't reported by the media for two years. So, either the transparency president wasn't so transparent about the Iraqi refugee ban or the media knew about it but took two years to finally get around to report it.
Isn't it the medias job to inform the public about such racist policies of banning Iraqi refugees for 6 months fleeing their war torn homeland?

there's a big difference between announcing a refugee ban on a certain group for national security interests and stranding citizens with green cards and visas in countries they don't live in. seriously, I was reading an account of one university professor that has lived in the US for 6 years. he went to Iran to visit his family there. he heard about the impending ban, and immediately booked a flight back. he took a flight to dubai. then got on a plan to washington. he was on the plane, and TSA agents came and escorted him off. he has a home and a dog and a job and his fucking car is still at the airport. you think this is acceptable and can seriously be blamed on Obama?

I'm reading more & more stories like this. Completely unacceptable.

My state's (Washington) Attorney General, Bob Ferguson, just announced that he is filing a lawsuit against the Trump Administration's immigration ban. I'm sure other AGs will join in. http://komonews.com/news/local/state-attorney-general-plans-major-announcement-on-trump-immigration-plan

My state's Governor, both senators, many representatives, and our attorney general have been very vocal in their opposition to Trump generally and this immigration ban in particular. So it is good to see some action. Trump certainly didn't waste any time getting himself and our country into a clusterfuck. Ferguson is the first AG in the country to sue Trump, but I'm sure won't be the last. If Congress and Trump's own party won't keep a check on him, then the states need to step up.

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

The hypocrisy isn't necessarily directed at those in these forums, its directed at the media and journalists.
Example: Media hysteria over Trumps temporary ban (90 day) on immigrants from 1 country named in his EO, including immigrants from 6 countries named by the previous administration. Take the 2011 Iraqi 6 month refugee ban that the transparency president Obama put into place that wasn't reported by the media for two years. So, either the transparency president wasn't so transparent about the Iraqi refugee ban or the media knew about it but took two years to finally get around to report it.
Isn't it the medias job to inform the public about such racist policies of banning Iraqi refugees for 6 months fleeing their war torn homeland?

there's a big difference between announcing a refugee ban on a certain group for national security interests and stranding citizens with green cards and visas in countries they don't live in. seriously, I was reading an account of one university professor that has lived in the US for 6 years. he went to Iran to visit his family there. he heard about the impending ban, and immediately booked a flight back. he took a flight to dubai. then got on a plan to washington. he was on the plane, and TSA agents came and escorted him off. he has a home and a dog and a job and his fucking car is still at the airport. you think this is acceptable and can seriously be blamed on Obama?

I have already stated that the implementation of trumps ban was a disaster with respect to those close to or en route.
if you referring to me blaming obama, ive never blamed obama for this fiasco. my post was about the media hypocrisy in reporting obamas 6 month iraqi ban and trumps recent ban. i dont know if iraqis were stranded at aiports when obamas ban was put into place, i would assume not, but i dont know. the 2011 iraqi ban wasnt reported until two years after implementation, so how would i know. as i stated i know its convenient to blame the previous administration and its convenient for the previous administration supporters to mock by saying oh yeah its prev admins fault.

Maybe this will help.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.db5a71cd9f89

From the article:

"Immigration authorities soon began rechecking all Iraqi refugees in America, reportedly comparing fingerprints and other records with military and intelligence documents in dusty archives. About 1,000 soon-to-be immigrants in Iraq were told that they would not be allowed to board flights already booked. Some were removed from planes. Thousands more Iraqi applicants had to restart the immigration process, because their security clearances expired when the program stalled. Men must now pass five separate checks, women four, and children three.”

my2hands said:

Do we think Sean Spicer hates his life right now? lol

Ha! He's got too. I like his slip of "he" when talking about the Supreme Court nominee. He might as well have let "white" and "Christian" slip while at it.

my2hands said:

Do we think Sean Spicer hates his life right now? lol

Do you think he ever liked his life? He seems like kind of a miserable individual whose been angry for years because he doesn't get any R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

tbergs said:

my2hands said:

Do we think Sean Spicer hates his life right now? lol

Do you think he ever liked his life? He seems like kind of a miserable individual whose been angry for years because he doesn't get any R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

I agree. And he took the wrong job with the wrong administration if he was hoping for respect.