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JC29856

Love trumps hate, love trumps hate, love trumps hate, Love trumps hate, love trumps hate, love trumps hate, Love trumps hate, love trumps hate, love trumps hate,

https://youtu.be/jf008xA1x1Q

InHiding80

JC29856 said:

Love trumps hate, love trumps hate, love trumps hate, Love trumps hate, love trumps hate, love trumps hate, Love trumps hate, love trumps hate, love trumps hate,

https://youtu.be/jf008xA1x1Q

This is you:

If you don't tolerate my intolerance you're intolerant, If you don't tolerate my intolerance you're intolerant, If you don't tolerate my intolerance you're intolerant, If you don't tolerate my intolerance you're intolerant, If you don't tolerate my intolerance you're intolerant...

JC29856

InHiding80 said:

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/29/kellyanne-conway-epic-meltdown-compares-donald-trump-jesus.html

You spelled Satan wrong you cupid stunt.

Gaping seeping wounds = comparison to Jesus?
I'm not buying it, maybe if she said were being nailed to the cross, but not gaping seeping wounds.
File this under...nah not quite

oceaninmyeyes

abc15.com/sports/sports-blogs-local/not-what-he-served-for-pat-tillmans-widow-blasts-donald-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration
"In 2002 my husband enlisted in the US Army, he stood up to serve because he believed in the (principles) on which are country was founded and, recognizing it wasn't perfect, was passionate about what it could be" she wrote.

"Today I am deeply saddened by the news of the executive order banning immigration. This is not the country he dreamed of, not what he served for and not what he died for."

JC29856

oceaninmyeyes said:

abc15.com/sports/sports-blogs-local/not-what-he-served-for-pat-tillmans-widow-blasts-donald-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration
"In 2002 my husband enlisted in the US Army, he stood up to serve because he believed in the (principles) on which are country was founded and, recognizing it wasn't perfect, was passionate about what it could be" she wrote.

"Today I am deeply saddened by the news of the executive order banning immigration. This is not the country he dreamed of, not what he served for and not what he died for."

I'm glad she is finally speaking out...

He probably didn't serve to get killed by friendly fire in a communication fuster cluck in a valley in Afghanistan.
He probably didn't serve to get killed by friendly fire so those people that sent him to war could stone wall an investigation into his death, lie about the circumstances of his death and tell his family how terrible they feel about his death.
He probably didn't serve to get killed by friendly fire so that the government can use his likeness and death as a marketing and armed forces recruitment tool either.
I guess I'll stop there...


Mary Tillman believes she has evidence that the Army went to extraordinary lengths to keep what really happened under wraps. She points to the fact that Pat's uniform, which according to one soldier had the marks left by American bullets, was burned, which is against Army procedure.

Then there was the coroner, who'd refused to sign the autopsy for months because when he examined the body, he said the gunshot wounds were not consistent with the Army's original story. And remember the citation on the Silver Star which left the distinct impression Pat was killed by enemy fire? It was later revealed that the eyewitness statements had been altered. Army Ranger Bryan O'Neal testified before Congress last spring.

"Did you write these sentences, claiming that you were engaged with the enemy?" he was asked.

"No sir," O'Neal replied.

"Their testimony was altered by someone to make it appear as though Pat was killed by the enemy," Mary Tillman claims.

But she says she hasn't figured out who changed the statements or how.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-really-happened-to-pat-tillman/

HesCalledDyer

From October:
https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/meeting-donald-trump

Some years ago, Mr Trump invited me to lunch for a one-to-one meeting at his apartment in Manhattan. We had not met before and I accepted. Even before the starters arrived he began telling me about how he had asked a number of people for help after his latest bankruptcy and how five of them were unwilling to help. He told me he was going to spend the rest of his life destroying these five people.

tbergs

JC29856 said:

InHiding80 said:

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/29/kellyanne-conway-epic-meltdown-compares-donald-trump-jesus.html

You spelled Satan wrong you cupid stunt.

Gaping seeping wounds = comparison to Jesus?
I'm not buying it, maybe if she said were being nailed to the cross, but not gaping seeping wounds.
File this under...nah not quite

Yeah, I thought the comparison was quite a stretch. Very misleading headline.

vaggar99

the world would be safer without religion. its the biggest and longest running con to mankind.

benjs

dignin said:

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Halifax2TheMax said:

Woa! Woa! Woa! Because that's what I do. I print my name, I sign my name. And then when, I sing the pledge of allegiance. Because going to a wedding and entering a country are the same. Are you usually this misinformed? Or just hateful? Be honest.

Halifax, I mean this honestly: treating people who feel differently than you this poorly is not productive to showing them why they shouldn't. This goes for the Trump debates, but also any other topic in life, and there are a few prerequisites which without them, you're going to have a hard time changing minds

1. Don't attack character. If someone calls me a Nazi sympathizer and I'm not, that person's credibility is lost in my eyes, because I feel they fallaciously make conclusions.
2. Don't make a battle out of a debate. If both of your objectives are truth and not war, then exposed knowledge which adds to a pile of data on which to pass judgment can only be a positive. Don't let winning be the objective, it must be discovery of the truth.
3. Recognize the bias you have inherited, and that there is no shame in needing to consciously strip your opinions of the biases within you in order to reassess the truth of your opinions. It is not an attack to be reminded of bias.
4. Just be respectful. We're living things here.

I'm sorry if you find this preachy, but I've found these to be things absent by and large in this community. I've probably forgotten them from time to time too but am trying to be more cognizant of them.

I realize you are trying to help, and that's good but I don't think you have been paying attention. You are missing more than half of the equation.

I personally appreciate Halifax for calling out the bullshit when he sees it. I have learned a lot.

I'm all for calling out bullshit, but first you have to qualify whether the person you're talking to has malicious intent and is trying to dispel bullshit, or whether they believe what they are saying. If they believe it, they are simply stating their case the way you or I do. If this is the case, equating them to people of questionable character or intellect is just not called for. If they don't believe it, why not just present the ill logic their statements are predicated upon?

In either case, as soon as emotions come into play, you've given a valid opportunity to the person you're debating with to just deflect by accurately pointing out that you are resorting to fallacious attacks. In no way, shape or form have I proposed not calling out bullshit. I've simply said that there's a right way and a wrong way to do so.

I put in bold this part of your response because it gets to the heart of the matter.

The poster who Halifax was responding to clearly is trying to spread misinformation and just plain bullshit. Many on this forum have pointed it out. When called out said poster moves on to more bullshit. Always a moving target and always trying to confuse and muddy the waters. A tactic learned, I can only assume, from Trump himself.

I agree it would be best if we could leave most emotion out of it for a more clear picture and better debate, but then this place would be boring if it was all gone. It's the passion I see here, and the new information I learn, that keeps me coming back. Emotion and passion can lead to an invigorating debate.

I really don't agree. I'm confident that BS believes what he writes here, and I say that as someone who disagrees with much of what he posts.

Whoosh. Not talking about BS. Thought that was clear.

Dignin, I apologize as this wasn't clear to me, I made a mistake clearly. Thought I was being attentive to the micro-thread but I'll try to do better next time

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

On Twitter:

Hey America, awesome move. 1.5 million of you killed by guns since 1968 versus 5 killed by refugees, but you guys ban.....refugees!

It's probably the student visa holders that should really be looked at...
https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis
"Terrorists on student visas appear especially deadly because one of them was a 9/11 hijacker. Altogether, students caused 158.5 fatalities, or one for every 152,534 students admitted.45 The human cost of terrorism caused by foreigners on student visas was thus $2.38 billion, equal to 5.23 percent of all the terrorism costs to human life. The average terrorism cost per student visa issued is $98.34.

Excluding 9/11, 18 terrorists entered the United States as students, or one entry for every 1.34 million student visas issued. Those 18 committed a total of 1.5 murders that cost $22.5 million or $0.93 per student visa issued."

InHiding80 said:

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/29/kellyanne-conway-epic-meltdown-compares-donald-trump-jesus.html

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Wow, didn't realize it was okay to use the c*** word here now. I need to go back and insert it into all of my Hillary posts!

my2hands

JC29856 said:

my2hands said:

We all know that nobody here is a Nazi sympathizer... the point of saying it is to create a little urgency to these issue

JC29856 said:

my2hands said:

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Halifax2TheMax said:

And the law that our resident professor cited was introduced by a republican congressman and passed by a republican house and senate as part of a trillion dollar tax and spending package.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_114th_United_States_Congress

I would hardly characterize this as "Obama's law." And once passed, did Obama's DHS immediately enforce it, leading to similar chaos that Trump's actions caused? False equivalency. The least you can do is own Trump's actions. You own it. And about those numbers, JC? Obama raised the number of immigrants allowed in in his final year of office from 70,000 to 110,000 probably because he saw the writing on the wall. This is just the beginning. You trump supporters own it.

Let's back up because I know not everyone has a stellar memory.
Yesterday, H2m asked for the visa ban law that Obama signed, as if one didn't exist or as if he is ignorant to the fact that one existed. I kindly provide the law directly from .gov.
Today H2M wakes up after late night peek-a-boo, makes his lemon water and Manuka honey drink, sits at his computer, checks the Trump thread, reads benjs posts, thinks it's a good idea, takes it to heart, then proceeds attempt to implement said benjs strategy. H2M then proceeds for the next 3 hours to study the law I posted composes his retort and comes up with this:

It's not "Obamas law" even thou nobody referred to it as "Obamas law" ignoring that the president has to sign bills in order for it to become law. Obama signed it, no veto, sign and drive.
Then he further tries to dissociate Obama from his signature on the visa ban law by claiming, it was
1. part of a larger more important bill package that needed to be passed
2. originated in the house / senate, furthermore noting that the house and Senate were opposition party republicans.

My question, if this was so un American to Obama, couldn't he issue an executive order doing away with the visa ban instead of having his DHS enforce it?

H2M failed to mention the 4 month Iraqi ban Obama also implemented in 2011.

Cheers...TAILTUCK

Do you support the current Muslim/refugee/immigration ban?

Do you support the propsed wall & deportations?

One word yes or no answers, please

I wouldn't call it a Muslim ban..see previous post a few pages back.
I have no problem with a temporary ban issued by a new administration, in order for it them to work thru a more permanent solution whatever it may be, extreme vetting etc. I do have a problem with trumps implemention and preparedness dealing with those en route or within 72 hours of travel.
I'm am totally against ILLEGAL immigration.
I have no problem with a proposed wall, it worked for Israel and we paid for that one so why not. Without knowing the details I can only say I'm not against a wall. I'll reserve judgement on the wall until I know the particulars.
I'm all for the continuance of Obamas record breaking deportations of ILLEGAL immigrants.
Trust the process.

So that is a yes, yes, and yes. I appreciate you taking a clear cut position.

But, you clearly told me in the Podesta emails thread that you were voting for Jill Stein??? I'm having a really hard time believing a Jill Stein voter would support those positions???

So which time you were lying, then or now?

Whatever you say
You missed my post where I vote pact'd, I'll be glad to find it for you.
Keep trying.... The cheerleaders in here are taking on the role of the media with their failed gotcha attempts.

You're the one that said you were voting for Jill Stein my friend.

But you support the ban, wall, and deportation EO's? A Jill Stein voter? lol

What is "vote pact'd"? I honestly don't know

Do you believe in climate change? And if so, is it being caused by human activity?

You never heard of vote pact...how about Google? Ever hear of them?
I've already explained my climate change position.
I have enough stalkers on here, if you want to join the club, please direct your membership questions to club president H2M. Memberships are limited, prices and participation varies.
If you are denied membership pm me I'll send you my snapchat.
We'll revisit Tuesday...GMOs are a callin!

You butthurt because I caught you in a lie?

I don't stalk you so I don't know your thoughts on climate change. Do you believe it is happening? Do you think it is caused by human activity? Simple questions bro

So you voted for Jill Stein?

Wma31394

vaggar99 said:

the world would be safer without religion. its the biggest and longest running con to mankind.

Bottled water tops my list..

Leezestarr313

This popped up on my feed this morning. It is of course speculating to a part, but raises some very interesting points, especially in regards to the events of this weekend.
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.xqait3sq7

PJPOWER

tbergs

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

PJPOWER

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

g under p

Leezestarr313 said:

This popped up on my feed this morning. It is of course speculating to a part, but raises some very interesting points, especially in regards to the events of this weekend.
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.xqait3sq7

WOW, everyone with any concerns about President Trump SHOULD READ THAT ARTICLE.

Peace

tbergs

g under p said:

Leezestarr313 said:

This popped up on my feed this morning. It is of course speculating to a part, but raises some very interesting points, especially in regards to the events of this weekend.
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.xqait3sq7

WOW, everyone with any concerns about President Trump SHOULD READ THAT ARTICLE.

Peace

Probably the most depressing article I have read and it's been busy lately under Trump.

tbergs

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

Forget it. Keep spinning.

HesCalledDyer

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

I'm getting real fucking tired of this "why weren't you protesting when..." rhetoric. Be glad people are exercising their constitutional rights NOW. You have to start somewhere. If all we did was sit back and say "why weren't you doing it when x,y,z," we could just keep pointing backwards to the evolution of man. It's a ridiculous argument and holds zero ground.