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tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

Forget it. Keep spinning.

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

I'm getting real fucking tired of this "why weren't you protesting when..." rhetoric. Be glad people are exercising their constitutional rights NOW. You have to start somewhere. If all we did was sit back and say "why weren't you doing it when x,y,z," we could just keep pointing backwards to the evolution of man. It's a ridiculous argument and holds zero ground.

Just pointing out a bit of hypocrisy...I'm tired of the hypocrisy and am using my constitutional rights to point it out.

And what purpose does pointing that out serve? It's in the past, we can't go back. We're starting now.

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

I'm getting real fucking tired of this "why weren't you protesting when..." rhetoric. Be glad people are exercising their constitutional rights NOW. You have to start somewhere. If all we did was sit back and say "why weren't you doing it when x,y,z," we could just keep pointing backwards to the evolution of man. It's a ridiculous argument and holds zero ground.

Just pointing out a bit of hypocrisy...I'm tired of the hypocrisy and am using my constitutional rights to point it out.

And what purpose does pointing that out serve? It's in the past, we can't go back. We're starting now.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but that is not this forum's norm from either side of the equation. That, and there is plenty of "current" hypocrisy being exercised that can only be pointed out by exemplifying past events...

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

I'm getting real fucking tired of this "why weren't you protesting when..." rhetoric. Be glad people are exercising their constitutional rights NOW. You have to start somewhere. If all we did was sit back and say "why weren't you doing it when x,y,z," we could just keep pointing backwards to the evolution of man. It's a ridiculous argument and holds zero ground.

Just pointing out a bit of hypocrisy...I'm tired of the hypocrisy and am using my constitutional rights to point it out.

And what purpose does pointing that out serve? It's in the past, we can't go back. We're starting now.

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJPower, quit misleading everyone with partial truths. How about you reference the real story that relates to this inaccurate picture and let people decide for themselves if it's the same or related to Trump's order.

Is this better?
https://youtu.be/m3yesvvYEvs

I'm getting real fucking tired of this "why weren't you protesting when..." rhetoric. Be glad people are exercising their constitutional rights NOW. You have to start somewhere. If all we did was sit back and say "why weren't you doing it when x,y,z," we could just keep pointing backwards to the evolution of man. It's a ridiculous argument and holds zero ground.

benjs said:

dignin said:

benjs said:

dignin said:

benjs said:

dignin said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Woa! Woa! Woa! Because that's what I do. I print my name, I sign my name. And then when, I sing the pledge of allegiance. Because going to a wedding and entering a country are the same. Are you usually this misinformed? Or just hateful? Be honest.

Halifax, I mean this honestly: treating people who feel differently than you this poorly is not productive to showing them why they shouldn't. This goes for the Trump debates, but also any other topic in life, and there are a few prerequisites which without them, you're going to have a hard time changing minds

1. Don't attack character. If someone calls me a Nazi sympathizer and I'm not, that person's credibility is lost in my eyes, because I feel they fallaciously make conclusions.
2. Don't make a battle out of a debate. If both of your objectives are truth and not war, then exposed knowledge which adds to a pile of data on which to pass judgment can only be a positive. Don't let winning be the objective, it must be discovery of the truth.
3. Recognize the bias you have inherited, and that there is no shame in needing to consciously strip your opinions of the biases within you in order to reassess the truth of your opinions. It is not an attack to be reminded of bias.
4. Just be respectful. We're living things here.

I'm sorry if you find this preachy, but I've found these to be things absent by and large in this community. I've probably forgotten them from time to time too but am trying to be more cognizant of them.

I realize you are trying to help, and that's good but I don't think you have been paying attention. You are missing more than half of the equation.

I personally appreciate Halifax for calling out the bullshit when he sees it. I have learned a lot.

I'm all for calling out bullshit, but first you have to qualify whether the person you're talking to has malicious intent and is trying to dispel bullshit, or whether they believe what they are saying. If they believe it, they are simply stating their case the way you or I do. If this is the case, equating them to people of questionable character or intellect is just not called for. If they don't believe it, why not just present the ill logic their statements are predicated upon?

In either case, as soon as emotions come into play, you've given a valid opportunity to the person you're debating with to just deflect by accurately pointing out that you are resorting to fallacious attacks. In no way, shape or form have I proposed not calling out bullshit. I've simply said that there's a right way and a wrong way to do so.

I put in bold this part of your response because it gets to the heart of the matter.

The poster who Halifax was responding to clearly is trying to spread misinformation and just plain bullshit. Many on this forum have pointed it out. When called out said poster moves on to more bullshit. Always a moving target and always trying to confuse and muddy the waters. A tactic learned, I can only assume, from Trump himself.

I agree it would be best if we could leave most emotion out of it for a more clear picture and better debate, but then this place would be boring if it was all gone. It's the passion I see here, and the new information I learn, that keeps me coming back. Emotion and passion can lead to an invigorating debate.

I really don't agree. I'm confident that BS believes what he writes here, and I say that as someone who disagrees with much of what he posts.

Whoosh. Not talking about BS. Thought that was clear.

Dignin, I apologize as this wasn't clear to me, I made a mistake clearly. Thought I was being attentive to the micro-thread but I'll try to do better next time