Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

mcgruff10 · October 2016

nicknyr15 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ninetytworules said:

mcgruff10 said:
Yeah he choked on his own vomit after drinking a hell of a lot of vodka. What s up with the song "moby dick"?!?! 30 minute drum solo?! Was this played at live shows?
Every show. There's a great video from earls court in London. Seattle too in the late 70s. Unbelievable version.

My favorite videos are from the BBC shows in the late 60's. He just beats the shit out of his drums. To hear four musicians play the blues at that level is awe inspiring.
I need to start to listen to zeppelin! I grew up on the Beatles and The Beach Boys, no zeppelin in our house!
WHAT!!?? I'm kind of jealous that you will be hearing them for the first time right now. I wish I could re live that. Pop in Led Zeppelin 2 and crank it up to 10.

Ok i ll get it on vinyl!

Ninetytworules · October 2016

mcgruff10 said:

Ninetytworules said:

mcgruff10 said:
Yeah he choked on his own vomit after drinking a hell of a lot of vodka. What s up with the song "moby dick"?!?! 30 minute drum solo?! Was this played at live shows?
Every show. There's a great video from earls court in London. Seattle too in the late 70s. Unbelievable version.

My favorite videos are from the BBC shows in the late 60's. He just beats the shit out of his drums. To hear four musicians play the blues at that level is awe inspiring.
I need to start to listen to zeppelin! I grew up on the Beatles and The Beach Boys, no zeppelin in our house!

Can't go wrong with those two bands!

PJfanwillneverleave1 · October 2016

Whoever is left standing as a band should be the ones receiving the award.
Boom better fucking be there.

Ninetytworules · October 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Whoever is left standing as a band should be the ones receiving the award.
Boom better fucking be there.

They are going to play at the show. No way Boom is not going to be there. He's just not getting inducted.

whoanelly15 · October 2016

Bonham was awesome, but the guy sounds like he was the worst bandmate. I'd have had a hard time putting up with him, despite the talent. Kind of amazing they produced as much music as they did while remaining a band. The rest of LZ were built to last for decades longer - he wasn't. Kind of like what Bob Odenkirk said about Chris Farley's passing being almost an inevitability. So sad when that happens.

Also, Carter Beauford is irreplaceable.

Merkin Baller · October 2016

Ninetytworules said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Whoever is left standing as a band should be the ones receiving the award.
Boom better fucking be there.
They are going to play at the show. No way Boom is not going to be there. He's just not getting inducted.

I too fully expect Boom to be on stage when they perform. (like Pat Smear w/ Nirvana)

Ninetytworules · October 2016

whoanelly15 said:
Bonham was awesome, but the guy sounds like he was the worst bandmate. I'd have had a hard time putting up with him, despite the talent. Kind of amazing they produced as much music as they did while remaining a band. The rest of LZ were built to last for decades longer - he wasn't. Kind of like what Bob Odenkirk said about Chris Farley's passing being almost an inevitability. So sad when that happens.

Also, Carter Beauford is irreplaceable.

Jimmy Page was a full blown heroin addict for like eight years. That was the times.

I like Carter but def. not irreplaceable.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · October 2016

Does anyone else feel that the drug bands of the past and the ones emulating them are no long relevant?
Pearl Jam is not about drugs and no one cares.
This whole drug scene has to go. That is not what rock n roll is.
Pearl Jam has defined this and is why certain people won't be onstage.

Ninetytworules · October 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Does anyone else feel that the drug bands of the past and the ones emulating them are no long relevant?
Pearl Jam is not about drugs and no one cares.
This whole drug scene has to go. That is not what rock n roll is.
Pearl Jam has defined this and is why certain people won't be onstage.

No and most importantly the members of PJ do not feel that way. Taking drugs in the 70s was like working out in the 80s taking Prozac in the 90s or eating kale today. It all sucks but people just do it.

Abe Froman · October 2016

nicknyr15 said:

Ninetytworules said:
I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!
Man. I'm drummer for over 15 years and completely disagree. His drumming to me is so easy to replicate compared to Matt. Especially when Matt goes odd times. It's actually great to hear someone with an opposite opinion who also drums. There are so many moments during live bootlegs where it sounds like a song might fall apart and the heart , MFC, holds it together. The dude can play hundreds of songd at any given time. To me he is a machine! And I could of swore I read that Dave A had trouble keeping time in the studio. Especially while recording RVM. Am I remembering wrong? Anyway who cares lol. Our boys are nominated and that's all that matters to me. I guess it's silly arguing over someone who hasn't been in the picture for the last 20 years.

I agree. Dave A is a pretty simplistic drummer and never really contributed much in the studio. I also remember hearing he struggled with songs in studio recording Vs

jp307677 · October 2016

Spoken said:

jp307677 said:

MP188882 said:

jambayleaf said:
I think it's poor taste for Dave A. to make a comment the day of the list of POSSIBLE inductees, like he wants his due NOW! Let the chips fall dude. See what happens. Great drummer, but in the history of this band, he was a splash in the pan. My three cents. They need to Hit Em' With The Hein.
http://www.alternativenation.net/dave-abbruzzese-responds-pearl-jam-rock-hall-fame-snub/

For those looking for Dave's comments. He's also on FB.
What a loser.
Wow.
Drummer on Vs. & Vitalogy, yes he's a complete loser.

Yes. Listen to him and just look at him.

riley540 · October 2016

High Fidelity 2000 said:

red mos said:
I wonder if every member gets a trophy even if they are not at the ceremony? Josh got in with RHCP and he really wasn't even a member at that point. But on the hall of fame page, it has all the members listed.
Yeah the youngster RHCP guitarist is probably why this is a bigger issue already this year. That guy had done practically nothing with them yet got to be inducted. What a fucking joke.

High Fidelity 2000 said:

red mos said:
I wonder if every member gets a trophy even if they are not at the ceremony? Josh got in with RHCP and he really wasn't even a member at that point. But on the hall of fame page, it has all the members listed.
Yeah the youngster RHCP guitarist is probably why this is a bigger issue galready this year. That guy had done practically nothing with them yet got to be inducted. What a fucking joke.

Josh had been in RHCP for a long time, just not always a guitarist.

Spags · October 2016

They should all be in. Just cos they aren't in Pearl Jam anymore doesn't mean they aren't Pearl Jam. They always will be and that should be recognised here.

Edved82 · October 2016

nicknyr15 said:
I can't believe people even care about Dave A getting in. He's nothing. Not a good song writer and an average drummer at best. He could NEVER play the shows we've come to expect from PJ now. NEVER.

Couldnt disagree more. For me, Dave and Jack's looser drum style suits the band far better than Matt Cameron. I love Matt and what he's done for the band, hes a great musician, but he does not play the old stuff well at all IMO. Dave A is a great drummer and contributed a huge amount to that raw sound of Vs - not to mention writing Go and Last Exit. He should be inducted - I've no idea why Dave Krusen is getting in ahead of him.

Spiritual_Chaos · October 2016

Abe Froman said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ninetytworules said:
I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!
Man. I'm drummer for over 15 years and completely disagree. His drumming to me is so easy to replicate compared to Matt. Especially when Matt goes odd times. It's actually great to hear someone with an opposite opinion who also drums. There are so many moments during live bootlegs where it sounds like a song might fall apart and the heart , MFC, holds it together. The dude can play hundreds of songd at any given time. To me he is a machine! And I could of swore I read that Dave A had trouble keeping time in the studio. Especially while recording RVM. Am I remembering wrong? Anyway who cares lol. Our boys are nominated and that's all that matters to me. I guess it's silly arguing over someone who hasn't been in the picture for the last 20 years.
I agree. Dave A is a pretty simplistic drummer and never really contributed much in the studio. I also remember hearing he struggled with songs in studio recording Vs

In what way is he simplistic?

Dave Grohl struggled at the Nevermind recordings.

nicknyr15 · October 2016

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Abe Froman said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ninetytworules said:
I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!
Man. I'm drummer for over 15 years and completely disagree. His drumming to me is so easy to replicate compared to Matt. Especially when Matt goes odd times. It's actually great to hear someone with an opposite opinion who also drums. There are so many moments during live bootlegs where it sounds like a song might fall apart and the heart , MFC, holds it together. The dude can play hundreds of songd at any given time. To me he is a machine! And I could of swore I read that Dave A had trouble keeping time in the studio. Especially while recording RVM. Am I remembering wrong? Anyway who cares lol. Our boys are nominated and that's all that matters to me. I guess it's silly arguing over someone who hasn't been in the picture for the last 20 years.
I agree. Dave A is a pretty simplistic drummer and never really contributed much in the studio. I also remember hearing he struggled with songs in studio recording Vs
In what way is he simplistic?

Dave Grohl struggled at the Nevermind recordings.

Now we're comparing Dave A to Dave Grohl? Lol. Who cares anymore.

EBowie · October 2016

If Dave Krusen gets in then Dave A. absolutely should get in too. Dave A. contributed way more to Pearl Jam than Dave Krusen. The only thing Krusen can hang his hat on is that he played on the debut album. Otherwise, Dave A. has more overall recordings with the band and is light years ahead in terms of live shows.

rbrum7 · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:
I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.
Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.
and I quote:

"..but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them".
Yes, doesn't 'care MUCH'. If you want to say a statement is a blanket statement and covers all instances, then we aren't going to agree on anything.

Ok, you have Joey Ramone to throw out there. Everyone is aware of that. What else can you come up with?
nothing. I don't know any of their friends. My point is I think it would be weird for anyone, musician or not, to surround themselves with only others who share the same particular political leanings.
I agree 100% with you on that one. I just know he rubbed them the wrong way, partly because of his views and that's well documented. I myself am Liberal and surround myself with all different view points.
I have never had the impression that the band had issues with Dave simply because of his politics. Seems to me they had problems with his personality more than anything else. When you like someone, their politics don't matter much. But when you don't like someone and can't get along with them, their politics that you don't like are just another nail in the coffin.

You obviously have no idea what Glorified G was written about.

rbrum7 · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
it doesn't matter if Jack was responsible for keeping them together. the hall has nothing to do with that. if it did, they'd have to induct managers, wives, friends, yoga instructors, psychologists, Metallica's therapist, etc, etc.
My comment was in response to SC who said I romanticized JI's role in the band.

I'm not saying JI deserves to be inducted w/ the band, I'm saying DA's contribution is way overstated as compared to JI.

I'm surprised ANY drummers besides Cameron are getting in.

well, the only role you stated about jack was the spiritual one, which I don't think qualifies as a consideration. Anyway, we might be talking apples and oranges here.

I think Dave's contributions were huge, drumming wise. they played their heaviest shit when they needed to play their heaviest shit. not that this SHOULD matter, but when speaking of the Hall, it seems to: he played on their two biggest commerically successful albums that were not Ten.
I also quoted Brendan O'Brien as saying the band was barely communicating at the time, but seemed to act professional around JI - I don't think that quote should be overlooked or dismissed.

IDK.... read the article I linked if you get the chance. That, and other articles I read not too long ago paint a picture of a band on the verge of imploding, and it seems like JI brought them back together (Jeff didn't even know the band had started sessions on NC, it sound's like a pretty dark time for them - I'll see if I can't dig up the other articles I recall reading a little later)

As someone else mentioned, I feel like VS & Vitalogy were going to happen regardless of whatever drummer they found. After reading the articles I did, it seemed like NC & Yield never would have happened had JI not come along.

Regarding their meteoric rise to fame during DA's tenure - I think that had as much if not more to do with the whole grunge / alternative movement of the time as it did whomever was behind the kit. I feel like it would have happened regardless of who played drums at the time, that's my $0.02.

Peace.
I don't disagree with Jack's influence on the band's communication skills. All I'm saying is that I don't think that should factor in to who gets into the hall, that's all.

I think Matt should be the only drummer inducted. He helped them out before any other drummer, and he's been with them the longest. But if you induct Dave K, you open a can of worms for the others.

This is a great point. Inducting Dave K. does open a can of worms. I never thought of it like that.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

rbrum7 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:
I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.
Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.
and I quote:

"..but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them".
Yes, doesn't 'care MUCH'. If you want to say a statement is a blanket statement and covers all instances, then we aren't going to agree on anything.

Ok, you have Joey Ramone to throw out there. Everyone is aware of that. What else can you come up with?
nothing. I don't know any of their friends. My point is I think it would be weird for anyone, musician or not, to surround themselves with only others who share the same particular political leanings.
I agree 100% with you on that one. I just know he rubbed them the wrong way, partly because of his views and that's well documented. I myself am Liberal and surround myself with all different view points.
I have never had the impression that the band had issues with Dave simply because of his politics. Seems to me they had problems with his personality more than anything else. When you like someone, their politics don't matter much. But when you don't like someone and can't get along with them, their politics that you don't like are just another nail in the coffin.
You obviously have no idea what Glorified G was written about.

pretty sure PJ_Soul knows.

his departure was not just about the two guns he owned. it was his interest in celebrity, the posh lifestyle, being on magazine covers, etc. , and his personality just didn't mesh with Jeff and Ed. simplifying it to just glorified g is silly.

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