pipe bomb explodes at military race in new jersey and now a bomb explodes in nyc

unsung · September 2016

This shit is only going to get worse with these refugees keep being brought in.

PJPOWER · September 2016

benjs said:

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Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.
I totally disagree. If I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia, I would say that I need to embrace their local law, not their culture. Why does a country require immigrants to contribute to a homogeneous society? If you don't invite cultural differences, then you don't expose people to cultural differences. If you don't expose people to cultural differences, then you create uncertainties about cultural differences. That then leads to fear, which leads to (formal or informal) segregation, which leads to animosity, and we're right back to perpetuating what we have today, where immigrants feel like they're akin to second-class citizens, and people who have been Americans for more generations fear immigrants. Back to the Saudi Arabia example, of course I'd say that Saudi Arabia's history for inviting cultural differences is pretty much abysmal, but doesn't America (and doesn't Canada) aspire to be greater than that?

Many times the culture and laws go hand and hand...or a hand "for" a hand if you practice sharia law, a staple of the muslim culture.

JC29856 · September 2016

Cuomo: Rahami has "foreign connection"?

benjs · September 2016

PJPOWER said:

show previous quotes
benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.
I totally disagree. If I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia, I would say that I need to embrace their local law, not their culture. Why does a country require immigrants to contribute to a homogeneous society? If you don't invite cultural differences, then you don't expose people to cultural differences. If you don't expose people to cultural differences, then you create uncertainties about cultural differences. That then leads to fear, which leads to (formal or informal) segregation, which leads to animosity, and we're right back to perpetuating what we have today, where immigrants feel like they're akin to second-class citizens, and people who have been Americans for more generations fear immigrants. Back to the Saudi Arabia example, of course I'd say that Saudi Arabia's history for inviting cultural differences is pretty much abysmal, but doesn't America (and doesn't Canada) aspire to be greater than that?
Many times the culture and laws go hand and hand...or a hand "for" a hand if you practice sharia law, a staple of the muslim culture.

So practicing local law automatically adheres you to the culture. Again, I'm saying that that's Saudi Arabia. We don't exert as much will on the populace here in North America (not formally anyways).

Thirty Bills Unpaid · September 2016

benjs said:

show previous quotes
Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.
I totally disagree. If I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia, I would say that I need to embrace their local law, not their culture. Why does a country require immigrants to contribute to a homogeneous society? If you don't invite cultural differences, then you don't expose people to cultural differences. If you don't expose people to cultural differences, then you create uncertainties about cultural differences. That then leads to fear, which leads to (formal or informal) segregation, which leads to animosity, and we're right back to perpetuating what we have today, where immigrants feel like they're akin to second-class citizens, and people who have been Americans for more generations fear immigrants. Back to the Saudi Arabia example, of course I'd say that Saudi Arabia's history for inviting cultural differences is pretty much abysmal, but doesn't America (and doesn't Canada) aspire to be greater than that?

I agree somewhat with what you're saying.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that you don't spit on the country you've immigrated to.

benjs · September 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

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benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.
I totally disagree. If I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia, I would say that I need to embrace their local law, not their culture. Why does a country require immigrants to contribute to a homogeneous society? If you don't invite cultural differences, then you don't expose people to cultural differences. If you don't expose people to cultural differences, then you create uncertainties about cultural differences. That then leads to fear, which leads to (formal or informal) segregation, which leads to animosity, and we're right back to perpetuating what we have today, where immigrants feel like they're akin to second-class citizens, and people who have been Americans for more generations fear immigrants. Back to the Saudi Arabia example, of course I'd say that Saudi Arabia's history for inviting cultural differences is pretty much abysmal, but doesn't America (and doesn't Canada) aspire to be greater than that?
I agree somewhat with what you're saying.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that you don't spit on the country you've immigrated to.

That totally makes sense. I guess there should be an implied base level of respect, and the problem is that where I feel that line should be drawn, might not agree with where anyone else does.

PJPOWER · September 2016

pjhawks said:

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Godfather. said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.
good post, this is becoming so common and it's too predictable as to what group did it and not to piss anybody off but my point of not allowing anybody into our country is becoming clearer as time goes by as more immigrants come to America and other parts of the world
and try to destroy the ways of life we have.

Godfather.
so when crazy people plant bombs you want to get rid of all people who share their religion in this country - yet when someone uses a gun to kill people we can't do anything to other 'responsible' gun owners? how do you justify that logic?

Apples and oranges. From the "responsible gun owners" standpoint, "gun owners" is not specific to a religion or idea. They do not fit specifically to any demographic or nationality. Same could be said for pressure cooker owners. The point being made here is that specific religions and cultures are correlated with these random attacks as of late and how does a country best approach that specific problem.

pjhawks · September 2016

PJPOWER said:

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pjhawks said:

Godfather. said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.
good post, this is becoming so common and it's too predictable as to what group did it and not to piss anybody off but my point of not allowing anybody into our country is becoming clearer as time goes by as more immigrants come to America and other parts of the world
and try to destroy the ways of life we have.

Godfather.
so when crazy people plant bombs you want to get rid of all people who share their religion in this country - yet when someone uses a gun to kill people we can't do anything to other 'responsible' gun owners? how do you justify that logic?
Apples and oranges. From the "responsible gun owners" standpoint, "gun owners" is not specific to a religion or idea. They do not fit specifically to any demographic or nationality. Same could be said for pressure cooker owners. The point being made here is that specific religions and cultures are correlated with these random attacks as of late and how does a country best approach that specific problem.

fair enough but you are still punishing a very large amount of people for the actions of a very small % from that group.

mcgruff10 · September 2016

from CNN:
(CNN)The man who stabbed nine people at a Minnesota mall Saturday before being shot dead by an off-duty police officer was a "soldier of the Islamic state," according to an ISIS-linked news agency.

The statement posted online Sunday by the Amaq agency follows a pattern of ISIS-related media claiming responsibility for what appear to be the acts of individuals across Europe in the past few months.

Wma31394 · September 2016

mcgruff10 said:
from CNN:
(CNN)The man who stabbed nine people at a Minnesota mall Saturday before being shot dead by an off-duty police officer was a "soldier of the Islamic state," according to an ISIS-linked news agency.

The statement posted online Sunday by the Amaq agency follows a pattern of ISIS-related media claiming responsibility for what appear to be the acts of individuals across Europe in the past few months.

So fucked up...3 states in 2 days..i just hope they catch that fucker asap because now he's exposed and could go out like the cowards before him..

lukin2006 · September 2016

Ahman Khan Rahmini wanted in connection to both New York and New Jersey bombs, police say

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/fbi-searching-for-ahmad-khan-rahami-in-connection-to-chelsea-bombing-we-need-to-get-this-guy

Wma31394 · September 2016

lukin2006 said:
Ahman Khan Rahmini wanted in connection to both New York and New Jersey bombs, police say

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/fbi-searching-for-ahmad-khan-rahami-in-connection-to-chelsea-bombing-we-need-to-get-this-guy

I guess he was just put on the " watch list" recently CNN claims

PJPOWER · September 2016

pjhawks said:

show previous quotes
PJPOWER said:

pjhawks said:

Godfather. said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.
good post, this is becoming so common and it's too predictable as to what group did it and not to piss anybody off but my point of not allowing anybody into our country is becoming clearer as time goes by as more immigrants come to America and other parts of the world
and try to destroy the ways of life we have.

Godfather.
so when crazy people plant bombs you want to get rid of all people who share their religion in this country - yet when someone uses a gun to kill people we can't do anything to other 'responsible' gun owners? how do you justify that logic?
Apples and oranges. From the "responsible gun owners" standpoint, "gun owners" is not specific to a religion or idea. They do not fit specifically to any demographic or nationality. Same could be said for pressure cooker owners. The point being made here is that specific religions and cultures are correlated with these random attacks as of late and how does a country best approach that specific problem.
fair enough but you are still punishing a very large amount of people for the actions of a very small % from that group.

I agree, which is probably not the applicable approach as you eluded to. Truthfully, I feel like this situation is being handled pretty well. Punish those that perpetuate these acts in a way that persuades others not to follow in his footsteps maybe? Not sure what that would look like. Many of these maniacs believe martyrdom is the best death that a nice little muslim could ever hope for, so how do you combat that ideological staple? My best suggestion is to be aware of your surroundings and be prepared for these types of situations, they are going to happen as long as these assholes exist...and they have existed forever.

PJPOWER · September 2016

benjs said:

show previous quotes
PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.
I totally disagree. If I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia, I would say that I need to embrace their local law, not their culture. Why does a country require immigrants to contribute to a homogeneous society? If you don't invite cultural differences, then you don't expose people to cultural differences. If you don't expose people to cultural differences, then you create uncertainties about cultural differences. That then leads to fear, which leads to (formal or informal) segregation, which leads to animosity, and we're right back to perpetuating what we have today, where immigrants feel like they're akin to second-class citizens, and people who have been Americans for more generations fear immigrants. Back to the Saudi Arabia example, of course I'd say that Saudi Arabia's history for inviting cultural differences is pretty much abysmal, but doesn't America (and doesn't Canada) aspire to be greater than that?
Many times the culture and laws go hand and hand...or a hand "for" a hand if you practice sharia law, a staple of the muslim culture.
So practicing local law automatically adheres you to the culture. Again, I'm saying that that's Saudi Arabia. We don't exert as much will on the populace here in North America (not formally anyways).

If the law says that you can only dress a certain way as stated by the local religious majority or be stoned to death...then yes.

mcgruff10 · September 2016

Ahmad Khan Rahami, the man suspected in bombings in New York and New Jersey, is now in custody after a shootout with police, sources said.

lukin2006 · September 2016

NY, NJ bombings: Suspect in custody after shootout with police, sources say

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/us/new-york-explosion-investigation/index.html

benjs · September 2016

mcgruff10 said:
from CNN:
(CNN)The man who stabbed nine people at a Minnesota mall Saturday before being shot dead by an off-duty police officer was a "soldier of the Islamic state," according to an ISIS-linked news agency.

The statement posted online Sunday by the Amaq agency follows a pattern of ISIS-related media claiming responsibility for what appear to be the acts of individuals across Europe in the past few months.

I think there's a strong likelihood that the vast majority of these attacks are linked to ISIS, but honestly - what incentive does ISIS have to deny that any attacks are their responsibility? They're a terrorist organization - they aim to spread terror, so any attack on the Western world is a sign of power in their eyes. I do wonder how many attacks they claim responsibility for, without any involvement.

Edit: This thought doesn't change much, but I'm curious.

lukin2006 · September 2016

It doesn't matter if ISIS is directly involved, these are ISIS inspired attacks ...

pjalive21 · September 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I guess assumptions were safe to make after all.

Although everybody knew that- it's just so damn dignifying to suggest to 'wait for the facts' before jumping to conclusions (and liberals wonder why they've developed a poor reputation?).

As far as assimilation goes: if I wished to move my family to Saudi Arabia... I would need to embrace that culture and not try to make it Canada. If I want Canada... then I should stay in Canada.

Bingo!

Godfather. · September 2016

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/19/person-interest-to-named-in-nyc-bombing.html

Ahmad Khan Rahami, the man sought in connection with weekend bombings in New York and New Jersey, was taken into custody after a shootout with police on Monday morning, multiple law enforcement sources confirmed to Fox News.

Authorities had launched a dragnet earlier Monday in search of the 28-year-old Afghan-born man, whom they described as being "armed and dangerous"

pipe bomb explodes at military race in new jersey and now a bomb explodes in nyc

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