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Good for them. I tend to be more concerned with policy and how someone will actually govern. And I'll whine about whatever I'd like to whine about, like the alt-right and their incessant whining about Hillary's health.tonifig8 said:
Stop whining. And apparently a shit load of people give a fuck.Halifax2TheMax said:Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Clinton didn't go to the ER. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, her staff fucked up! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Who gives a fuck?
Where's the outrage over Trump not releasing his medical records on Dr. Oz? Where's the concern for Trump's health that so far we know nothing about? Where's the fair and balanced from the fair and balanced crowd?
And seriously, President Ford took a header just about every time he stepped off a plane. Hillary coughs and she's on her deathbed and a whole lot of people are speculating despite Hillary having released more medical records than Trump. Any reason to bash her, any reason at all.
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I wonder if they played this game?dignin said:
Well, taking her back to her daughters place seems to have worked. Hard to argue with the results.BS44325 said:
That's the point. The people who say "She's fine" are just as bad as the people who claim "She's dying". Neither you or I or apparently any of the people who were with her have the ability to make a diagnosis. That is why you get her to a hospital immediately and not back to her daughter's apartment followed by a limited check-up later in the day. That's just one of the few things I learned during my hospital residency.Halifax2TheMax said:As if you have any greater knowledge regarding her health and subsequent treatment, professor.
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frequently.... well a coupla times.....rarely....I would say.
And I like Bill too, poor guy but this is what happens when u marry for political gain only. La PASSION! gotta have it
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Oh shit!! Wtf?!? Haharssesq said:
frequently.... well a coupla times.....rarely....I would say.
And I like Bill too, poor guy but this is what happens when u marry for political gain only. La PASSION! gotta have ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi5TnqjfbG80 -
Halifax2TheMax said:
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Clinton didn't go to the ER. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, her staff fucked up! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Who gives a fuck?
Where's the outrage over Trump not releasing his medical records on Dr. Oz? Where's the concern for Trump's health that so far we know nothing about? Where's the fair and balanced from the fair and balanced crowd?
If Trump was passing out, spitting green shit in a glass of water, hacking every two second, and looking like complete utter death then I too would question Trumps health. Hillary is in hiding 99.9% of her day and controls when, where, and how she appears or how she can be interviewed. She has a track record a mile long of hiding, lying, and denying facts. that's why people carePost edited by Kat on0 -
pjalive21 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Clinton didn't go to the ER. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, her staff fucked up! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Who gives a fuck?
Where's the outrage over Trump not releasing his medical records on Dr. Oz? Where's the concern for Trump's health that so far we know nothing about? Where's the fair and balanced from the fair and balanced crowd?
If Trump was passing out, spitting green shit in a glass of water, hacking every two second, and looking like complete utter death then I too would question Trumps health. Hillary is in hiding 99.9% of her day and controls when, where, and how she appears or how she can be interviewed. She has a track record a mile long of hiding, lying, and denying facts. that's why people care
David Axelrod basically shared this same sentiment...in regards to her secrets.. These clintonites are in denial.
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Yeah, why? Do you expect me to think Clinton isn't rational?unsung said:
Are you being serious?PJ_Soul said:
So you don't think Hillary is rational??unsung said:
I doubt that. As a potential leader of this country I'm sure any rational person would prefer to be checked out.PJ_Soul said:
No. if I were I'd be even less likely to be wasting my and the hospital's time with such a visit.unsung said:
And you aren't a candidate for President.PJ_Soul said:
I know I wouldn't go to the hospital if I were feeling woozy from overexertion while dealing with pneumonia or the flu or whatever. That was clearly not an ER situation. She just needed a lie-down.oceaninmyeyes said:
She may have begun to recover after getting into an air conditioned environment. Her doctor did see her that day, pretty standard. There is a copy of a letter of her last physical (2015) including lab results here, for the medical professionals in the crowd. Her vital signs are within normal limits, normal EKG, and lab testing. Total cholesterol 195, HDL 64, LDL 118, triglycerides 69. Due to family history she had a thorough cardiac exam including a carotid ultrasound. All normal. heavy.com/news/2016/09/lisa-bardack-hillary-clinton-physician-doctor-bio-who-is-medical-degree-health-record-statement-caremount-medical/Free said:Why didn't her secret service bring her to the hospital like normal people? To go "home" to her daughter's just makes it all look the more secretive.
Moving on..... Um.... I actually forget anything else about her. There is just this fog of medical hoopla and email blahblahs. I guess the right wing media's plan is working, lol.
Not sure if I'm misunderstanding, but are you suggesting that the presidential nominee should be way overreacting to illness for some reason?
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So she would need to go to the ER for the sole reason of satisfying the public? I think the Clintons are huge liars and use their power to amass wealth (for example, people would rather go to a Hillary rally and hear Obama, Bill or Biden over hearing Hillary talk so why would a Wall Street bank pay her to speak), but they know what her health problems are and a trip to the ER was not necessary apparently.tonifig8 said:
Hmmmmmm maybe to help the public deal with it? It makes it seem like Clinton is hiding things, again.bootlegger10 said:
Why waste time diagnosing something that you already know what it is? The doctors know what caused it. Hillary knows what caused it. Her handlers know what caused it. They all know what to do. Bill said she faints frequently.BS44325 said:
Nobody. Who. Could. Make. A. Proper. Diagnosis. Was. That. Is. Why. You. Go. To. The. Hospital.Halifax2TheMax said:
You. Weren't. There.BS44325 said:
I wouldn't argue with this but I would still argue that it is a gamble. People brush off chest tightness all the time and some end up dying from a heart attack. She has the medical history of someone who could be prone to a stroke. That doesn't mean she will ever have one but it does mean that episodes such as hers should certainly be investigated on a more urgent basis then what was apparently done. People's partisanship is preventing them from looking at this from a purely medical standpoint.dignin said:
Well, taking her back to her daughters place seems to have worked. Hard to argue with the results.BS44325 said:
That's the point. The people who say "She's fine" are just as bad as the people who claim "She's dying". Neither you or I or apparently any of the people who were with her have the ability to make a diagnosis. That is why you get her to a hospital immediately and not back to her daughter's apartment followed by a limited check-up later in the day. That's just one of the few things I learned during my hospital residency.Halifax2TheMax said:As if you have any greater knowledge regarding her health and subsequent treatment, professor.
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At the time nobody who was on site could say they know what caused it. Her health history includes not just pneumonia but a number of other things. The assumption of dehydration secondary to pneumonia would be on the differential diagnosis list but it could not be confirmed without a full medical assessment. It was medically risky to make that assumption even if it turned out to be ultimately right.bootlegger10 said:
Why waste time diagnosing something that you already know what it is? The doctors know what caused it. Hillary knows what caused it. Her handlers know what caused it. They all know what to do. Bill said she faints frequently.BS44325 said:
Nobody. Who. Could. Make. A. Proper. Diagnosis. Was. That. Is. Why. You. Go. To. The. Hospital.Halifax2TheMax said:
You. Weren't. There.BS44325 said:
I wouldn't argue with this but I would still argue that it is a gamble. People brush off chest tightness all the time and some end up dying from a heart attack. She has the medical history of someone who could be prone to a stroke. That doesn't mean she will ever have one but it does mean that episodes such as hers should certainly be investigated on a more urgent basis then what was apparently done. People's partisanship is preventing them from looking at this from a purely medical standpoint.dignin said:
Well, taking her back to her daughters place seems to have worked. Hard to argue with the results.BS44325 said:
That's the point. The people who say "She's fine" are just as bad as the people who claim "She's dying". Neither you or I or apparently any of the people who were with her have the ability to make a diagnosis. That is why you get her to a hospital immediately and not back to her daughter's apartment followed by a limited check-up later in the day. That's just one of the few things I learned during my hospital residency.Halifax2TheMax said:As if you have any greater knowledge regarding her health and subsequent treatment, professor.
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I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.BS44325 said:
It's absolutely a massive gamble. If you are 69 years old with a history of previous falls, on coumadin for clotting episodes including a clot to the brain, hypothyroidism, and now pneumonia then the symptoms she exhibited absolutely require immediate medical assessment. Even if the risk of a lethal adverse event is low it is certainly not zero and her wants or desires to avoid an ER should have been waived off. Again I was under the assumption the she received care in Chelsea's apartment but according to her campaign that is not the case. People can quote her 2015 health report all they want but that report is almost a year old and she needed an updated assessment which would include blood work, a cardiac assessment and a neurological assessment. That would be proper standard of care for anybody with her health history. This is not about the election but about someone's well being.Degeneratefk said:
Seems a bit over dramatic. A massive gamble?BS44325 said:
I am not talking about the legal definition of malpractice I am talking about doing what is right. If this is your loved one...your mother...it doesn't matter what their demand is. Based on her medical history you get her to a doctor right away. You don't bring her back to an apartment to chill and then have her walkout on her own. A massive gamble was taken with her life right there even though the risk of a further adverse event was low. If she is President and the same thing happens everybody would insist upon this. It honestly seems like the people who support her the most actually care for her the least. Her care was not handled correctly. End of story.PJ_Soul said:
Only doctors are subject to malpractice charges. Hillary is in charge of her own body. The Secret Service or her staff can't force her to see a doctor. I would be shocked if it wasn't suggested to her. She likely refused... which isn't surprising, given her circumstances. Dumb, but not surprising. A lot if not most POTUS candidates would probably act the same way. They are basically all obsessed with the campaign and will usually fight like dogs to prevent anything getting in the way of their goal.BS44325 said:Anybody who cares about Hillary's health cannot be ok with this.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/politics/hillary-clinton-health-robby-mook-tim-kaine/
She collapses/faints/loses balance and doesn't see a doctor until Chappaqua according to Mook. Based on her medical history even if it was overheating secondary to bacterial pneumonia she should have seen someone right away. I was under the assumption that she must have seen a doctor at Chelsea's but apparently this is not so. This is absolute malpractice by her staff and the secret service who should have insisted that she receive medical care immediately. You don't take chances with this shit because even if the odds are remote in a 69 year old this could have been lethal.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Grown ups make those decisions for themselves. Are you one of those people who go running to the hospital when you have the flu or bronchitis or what? She knew she had pneumonia and knew she was taking antibiotics, so why would she go running to the hospital just because she was experiencing symptoms of what was already being treated? Geez, I just hope some of you saying these things don't practice it in real life because that would mean that you are a burden on the healthcare system.BS44325 said:
Nobody. Who. Could. Make. A. Proper. Diagnosis. Was. That. Is. Why. You. Go. To. The. Hospital.Halifax2TheMax said:
You. Weren't. There.BS44325 said:
I wouldn't argue with this but I would still argue that it is a gamble. People brush off chest tightness all the time and some end up dying from a heart attack. She has the medical history of someone who could be prone to a stroke. That doesn't mean she will ever have one but it does mean that episodes such as hers should certainly be investigated on a more urgent basis then what was apparently done. People's partisanship is preventing them from looking at this from a purely medical standpoint.dignin said:
Well, taking her back to her daughters place seems to have worked. Hard to argue with the results.BS44325 said:
That's the point. The people who say "She's fine" are just as bad as the people who claim "She's dying". Neither you or I or apparently any of the people who were with her have the ability to make a diagnosis. That is why you get her to a hospital immediately and not back to her daughter's apartment followed by a limited check-up later in the day. That's just one of the few things I learned during my hospital residency.Halifax2TheMax said:As if you have any greater knowledge regarding her health and subsequent treatment, professor.
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This is a complete dodge of a serious issue. Trump should release his records. That doesn't change the fact that Clinton should have gone to the hospital for a proper diagnosis. Anyone who really cares about her well being including her own daughter for f sakes should have insisted upon this.Halifax2TheMax said:Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Clinton didn't go to the ER. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, her staff fucked up! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Who gives a fuck?
Where's the outrage over Trump not releasing his medical records on Dr. Oz? Where's the concern for Trump's health that so far we know nothing about? Where's the fair and balanced from the fair and balanced crowd?
And seriously, President Ford took a header just about every time he stepped off a plane. Hillary coughs and she's on her deathbed and a whole lot of people are speculating despite Hillary having released more medical records than Trump. Any reason to bash her, any reason at all.
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What a load of crap.BS44325 said:
This is a complete dodge of a serious issue. Trump should release his records. That doesn't change the fact that Clinton should have gone to the hospital for a proper diagnosis. Anyone who really cares about her well being including her own daughter for f sakes should have insisted upon this.Halifax2TheMax said:Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Clinton didn't go to the ER. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, her staff fucked up! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Who gives a fuck?
Where's the outrage over Trump not releasing his medical records on Dr. Oz? Where's the concern for Trump's health that so far we know nothing about? Where's the fair and balanced from the fair and balanced crowd?
And seriously, President Ford took a header just about every time he stepped off a plane. Hillary coughs and she's on her deathbed and a whole lot of people are speculating despite Hillary having released more medical records than Trump. Any reason to bash her, any reason at all.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
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How do you know no one on site didn't know? I am just explaining why she may not have needed to go to the ER. You simultaneously choose to believe there is some known medical issue she is hiding from us but at the same time accuse her of not knowing what medical problems she has and that she should go to the ER every time she has an episode.BS44325 said:
At the time nobody who was on site could say they know what caused it. Her health history includes not just pneumonia but a number of other things. The assumption of dehydration secondary to pneumonia would be on the differential diagnosis list but it could not be confirmed without a full medical assessment. It was medically risky to make that assumption even if it turned out to be ultimately right.bootlegger10 said:
Why waste time diagnosing something that you already know what it is? The doctors know what caused it. Hillary knows what caused it. Her handlers know what caused it. They all know what to do. Bill said she faints frequently.BS44325 said:
Nobody. Who. Could. Make. A. Proper. Diagnosis. Was. That. Is. Why. You. Go. To. The. Hospital.Halifax2TheMax said:
You. Weren't. There.BS44325 said:
I wouldn't argue with this but I would still argue that it is a gamble. People brush off chest tightness all the time and some end up dying from a heart attack. She has the medical history of someone who could be prone to a stroke. That doesn't mean she will ever have one but it does mean that episodes such as hers should certainly be investigated on a more urgent basis then what was apparently done. People's partisanship is preventing them from looking at this from a purely medical standpoint.dignin said:
Well, taking her back to her daughters place seems to have worked. Hard to argue with the results.BS44325 said:
That's the point. The people who say "She's fine" are just as bad as the people who claim "She's dying". Neither you or I or apparently any of the people who were with her have the ability to make a diagnosis. That is why you get her to a hospital immediately and not back to her daughter's apartment followed by a limited check-up later in the day. That's just one of the few things I learned during my hospital residency.Halifax2TheMax said:As if you have any greater knowledge regarding her health and subsequent treatment, professor.
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If Hillary died on the debate stage and Donald Trump bench pressed her lifeless body 100 times, I would vote for the dead body in the casket over Trump. Furthermore, I'll take Tim Kaine over Mike Pence any day of the week.
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I find her to be the most corrupt, disgusting, dishonorable, unethical, lying, and spineless person I've seen in politics if not in general.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, why? Do you expect me to think Clinton isn't rational?unsung said:
Are you being serious?PJ_Soul said:
So you don't think Hillary is rational??unsung said:
I doubt that. As a potential leader of this country I'm sure any rational person would prefer to be checked out.PJ_Soul said:
No. if I were I'd be even less likely to be wasting my and the hospital's time with such a visit.unsung said:
And you aren't a candidate for President.PJ_Soul said:
I know I wouldn't go to the hospital if I were feeling woozy from overexertion while dealing with pneumonia or the flu or whatever. That was clearly not an ER situation. She just needed a lie-down.oceaninmyeyes said:
She may have begun to recover after getting into an air conditioned environment. Her doctor did see her that day, pretty standard. There is a copy of a letter of her last physical (2015) including lab results here, for the medical professionals in the crowd. Her vital signs are within normal limits, normal EKG, and lab testing. Total cholesterol 195, HDL 64, LDL 118, triglycerides 69. Due to family history she had a thorough cardiac exam including a carotid ultrasound. All normal. heavy.com/news/2016/09/lisa-bardack-hillary-clinton-physician-doctor-bio-who-is-medical-degree-health-record-statement-caremount-medical/Free said:Why didn't her secret service bring her to the hospital like normal people? To go "home" to her daughter's just makes it all look the more secretive.
Moving on..... Um.... I actually forget anything else about her. There is just this fog of medical hoopla and email blahblahs. I guess the right wing media's plan is working, lol.
Not sure if I'm misunderstanding, but are you suggesting that the presidential nominee should be way overreacting to illness for some reason?
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I never said she is hiding anything. I am making my point based on the known medical conditions she has. Her campaign says that she wasn't seen by a medical professional until Chappaqua. Based on her know medical conditions that was a mistake.bootlegger10 said:
How do you know no one on site didn't know? I am just explaining why she may not have needed to go to the ER. You simultaneously choose to believe there is some known medical issue she is hiding from us but at the same time accuse her of not knowing what medical problems she has and that she should go to the ER every time she has an episode.BS44325 said:
At the time nobody who was on site could say they know what caused it. Her health history includes not just pneumonia but a number of other things. The assumption of dehydration secondary to pneumonia would be on the differential diagnosis list but it could not be confirmed without a full medical assessment. It was medically risky to make that assumption even if it turned out to be ultimately right.bootlegger10 said:
Why waste time diagnosing something that you already know what it is? The doctors know what caused it. Hillary knows what caused it. Her handlers know what caused it. They all know what to do. Bill said she faints frequently.BS44325 said:
Nobody. Who. Could. Make. A. Proper. Diagnosis. Was. That. Is. Why. You. Go. To. The. Hospital.Halifax2TheMax said:
You. Weren't. There.BS44325 said:
I wouldn't argue with this but I would still argue that it is a gamble. People brush off chest tightness all the time and some end up dying from a heart attack. She has the medical history of someone who could be prone to a stroke. That doesn't mean she will ever have one but it does mean that episodes such as hers should certainly be investigated on a more urgent basis then what was apparently done. People's partisanship is preventing them from looking at this from a purely medical standpoint.dignin said:
Well, taking her back to her daughters place seems to have worked. Hard to argue with the results.BS44325 said:
That's the point. The people who say "She's fine" are just as bad as the people who claim "She's dying". Neither you or I or apparently any of the people who were with her have the ability to make a diagnosis. That is why you get her to a hospital immediately and not back to her daughter's apartment followed by a limited check-up later in the day. That's just one of the few things I learned during my hospital residency.Halifax2TheMax said:As if you have any greater knowledge regarding her health and subsequent treatment, professor.
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How so?PJ_Soul said:
What a load of crap.BS44325 said:
This is a complete dodge of a serious issue. Trump should release his records. That doesn't change the fact that Clinton should have gone to the hospital for a proper diagnosis. Anyone who really cares about her well being including her own daughter for f sakes should have insisted upon this.Halifax2TheMax said:Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Clinton didn't go to the ER. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, her staff fucked up! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Who gives a fuck?
Where's the outrage over Trump not releasing his medical records on Dr. Oz? Where's the concern for Trump's health that so far we know nothing about? Where's the fair and balanced from the fair and balanced crowd?
And seriously, President Ford took a header just about every time he stepped off a plane. Hillary coughs and she's on her deathbed and a whole lot of people are speculating despite Hillary having released more medical records than Trump. Any reason to bash her, any reason at all.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
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