Bernie Sanders

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

Well a primary piece of having a good president is having base knowledge on issues and a plan that is somewhat feasible. Although I find it interesting that you are defending GJ when his economic policies likely run counter to everything you believe in, from what I've seen of you all these months. He wants to de-regulate wall street, limit EPA involvement, and institute a flat 28% tax plan. Seems strange that you are at least tacitly defending him.

And having a working knowledge of the center of the one of the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world right now is not being an encyclopedia. It's paying attention to the news here and there.

mrussel1 said:

cottagesteeze said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

Well a primary piece of having a good president is having base knowledge on issues and a plan that is somewhat feasible. Although I find it interesting that you are defending GJ when his economic policies likely run counter to everything you believe in, from what I've seen of you all these months. He wants to de-regulate wall street, limit EPA involvement, and institute a flat 28% tax plan. Seems strange that you are at least tacitly defending him.

And having a working knowledge of the center of the one of the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world right now is not being an encyclopedia. It's paying attention to the news here and there.

I don't agree with Johnson for many of the reasons you just listed, but I still defend him. This isn't TMZ, I dont think politics should be about blowing up one little mistake he made. I think what he stands for is important to defend. He seems to be the truest politician running for president right now, and I wish all of the parties had someone like him leading them. As a Bernie supporter, Johnson is easy to defend, because although their views on many issues are polar opposites, they are both pushing for what they believe is best for the country.

The problem is that what he believes is best for the country will severely damage the middle and lower class. His tax plan will disproportionately affect the lower class. A 28% tax rate on food, clothes, cars will be devastating because of the huge chunk this takes out of disposable income. And what about the mortgage interest tax credit and the child deductions? Gone. That's all gone. So awesome, he's true to his beliefs but what the hell is that worth if his beliefs will devastate large portions of this country? Do you think HRC would do any of that?

And on Syria, did you watch the rest of his answer? This isn't a TMZ moment, but it's a real policy deficiency. His answer made no sense, even getting beyond Aleppo. It was a rambling non-answer that basically said "join hands with Russia diplomatically".

It's all so perplexing that suddenly we give credit or kudos to terrible ideas just because they are consistently bad.

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

cottagesteeze said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

Well a primary piece of having a good president is having base knowledge on issues and a plan that is somewhat feasible. Although I find it interesting that you are defending GJ when his economic policies likely run counter to everything you believe in, from what I've seen of you all these months. He wants to de-regulate wall street, limit EPA involvement, and institute a flat 28% tax plan. Seems strange that you are at least tacitly defending him.

And having a working knowledge of the center of the one of the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world right now is not being an encyclopedia. It's paying attention to the news here and there.

I don't agree with Johnson for many of the reasons you just listed, but I still defend him. This isn't TMZ, I dont think politics should be about blowing up one little mistake he made. I think what he stands for is important to defend. He seems to be the truest politician running for president right now, and I wish all of the parties had someone like him leading them. As a Bernie supporter, Johnson is easy to defend, because although their views on many issues are polar opposites, they are both pushing for what they believe is best for the country.

Thank you, that was my point.

It's not a little mistake, if you watch the interview. The rest of the answer made it clear that he does not understand the situation or the ramifications of decisions. He stumbled through a non-answer. The Aleppo part was just the harbinger of candidate doom. He doesn't have an argument to be on the stage anymore, at least on the debate centered on foreign policy.

I never minded GJ...on paper. I'm more fiscally moderate than most on here so some of the de-reg stuff I can buy into (totally, 100% against flat tax). But every time I see him in a forum where he is asked a marginally difficult question, he is awful at answering.

mrussel1 said:

In a make-or-break moment, Gary Johnson broke.
During an interview in which Johnson would later say he mentally “blanked,” the Libertarian Party presidential nominee on Thursday flubbed a question on the Syrian civil war, asking, “What is Aleppo?”

His fellow MSNBC panelists were agape, as Johnson had just claimed unfamiliarity with a city at the heart of Syria’s ongoing civil war and humanitarian crisis. Johnson spent the rest of the morning on a self-flagellating apology tour, including a brief follow-up interview with Mark Halperin in which Johnson admitted frustration at his answer, an appearance on "The View," and a statement of public mea culpa.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-aleppo-gaffe-227895#ixzz4JhMYk4Ut
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Kind of reminds me of Bernie's moment with the New York Daily News interview.. just connecting it to a Bernie thread.

jeffbr said:

mrussel1 said:

In a make-or-break moment, Gary Johnson broke.
During an interview in which Johnson would later say he mentally “blanked,” the Libertarian Party presidential nominee on Thursday flubbed a question on the Syrian civil war, asking, “What is Aleppo?”

His fellow MSNBC panelists were agape, as Johnson had just claimed unfamiliarity with a city at the heart of Syria’s ongoing civil war and humanitarian crisis. Johnson spent the rest of the morning on a self-flagellating apology tour, including a brief follow-up interview with Mark Halperin in which Johnson admitted frustration at his answer, an appearance on "The View," and a statement of public mea culpa.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-aleppo-gaffe-227895#ixzz4JhMYk4Ut
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

Kind of reminds me of Bernie's moment with the New York Daily News interview.. just connecting it to a Bernie thread.

Christ. He had a gaffe that pales in comparison to H-Rod's "gaffe" handling classified info on private servers. But let's focus on a guy who isn't embroiled in controversy to try to stir something up. Feels like some deflection going on.