Bernie Sanders

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

In a make-or-break moment, Gary Johnson broke.
During an interview in which Johnson would later say he mentally “blanked,” the Libertarian Party presidential nominee on Thursday flubbed a question on the Syrian civil war, asking, “What is Aleppo?”

His fellow MSNBC panelists were agape, as Johnson had just claimed unfamiliarity with a city at the heart of Syria’s ongoing civil war and humanitarian crisis. Johnson spent the rest of the morning on a self-flagellating apology tour, including a brief follow-up interview with Mark Halperin in which Johnson admitted frustration at his answer, an appearance on "The View," and a statement of public mea culpa.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-aleppo-gaffe-227895#ixzz4JhMYk4Ut
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Kind of reminds me of Bernie's moment with the New York Daily News interview.. just connecting it to a Bernie thread.

No, you're just going on about Johnson again. Nice try.

No one's making you read it.

OH YEAH?

mrussel1

I do support the ultraviolence, my good droog.

josevolution

mrussel1 said:

I do support the ultraviolence, my good droog.

Damn good movie !

brianlux

^^^Indeed!

mrussel1 said:

I do support the ultraviolence, my good droog.

Haha! Yes.

I have to admit that photo/scene always makes me feel a little nauseated, LOL.

hedonist

McDowell singing Singin' in the Rain was improvised.

(fyi)

mrussel1

hedonist said:

McDowell singing Singin' in the Rain was improvised.

(fyi)

The singing, the beating, or both?

dignin

jeffbr said:

mrussel1 said:

In a make-or-break moment, Gary Johnson broke.
During an interview in which Johnson would later say he mentally “blanked,” the Libertarian Party presidential nominee on Thursday flubbed a question on the Syrian civil war, asking, “What is Aleppo?”

His fellow MSNBC panelists were agape, as Johnson had just claimed unfamiliarity with a city at the heart of Syria’s ongoing civil war and humanitarian crisis. Johnson spent the rest of the morning on a self-flagellating apology tour, including a brief follow-up interview with Mark Halperin in which Johnson admitted frustration at his answer, an appearance on "The View," and a statement of public mea culpa.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-aleppo-gaffe-227895#ixzz4JhMYk4Ut
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

Kind of reminds me of Bernie's moment with the New York Daily News interview.. just connecting it to a Bernie thread.

Christ. He had a gaffe that pales in comparison to H-Rod's "gaffe" handling classified info on private servers. But let's focus on a guy who isn't embroiled in controversy to try to stir something up. Feels like some deflection going on.

Not knowing "what" Aleppo is is not a gaffe. It's negligent for someone who is running to be the leader of the free world.

hedonist

mrussel1 said:

hedonist said:

McDowell singing Singin' in the Rain was improvised.

(fyi)

The singing, the beating, or both?

From "Things You Might Not Know":
McDowell came up with the idea for his character to sing the Gene Kelly classic. Kubrick thought the film's famously brutal scene, in which Alex and his droogs attack the writer and his wife, was playing flat during rehearsal. To adequately convey the violent nature of the scene and the sinister nature of the character, he asked McDowell to do something outrageous—like dance around. The actor began humming while dancing, then broke out into "Singin' In The Rain." McDowell would go on to say, "And why did I do that? Because [that song is] Hollywood's gift to the world of euphoria. And that's what the character is feeling at the time."

McDowell also thought Stanley Kubrick was Stanley Kramer (the latter, whose home / home theater I actually visited as a kid!).

mrussel1

Definitely a classic scene. Thanks for sharing.

Viddy well....

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

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brianlux said:

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polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

You don't think the person running for POTUS should be expected to know where Aleppo is?? While the USA is essentially at the edge of war with ISIS?? Knowing the basic details of what is happening there seems pretty important to me.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

You don't think the person running for POTUS should be expected to know where Aleppo is?? While the USA is essentially at war with ISIS in Syria??

Yeah, I suppose he probably should but it does not bother me in the least that Johnson goofed on Aleppo. Johnson is not a potential POTUS. Johnson is an idea. Just like Bernie is an idea (that verged on a reality for a while, and that is saying something) and Stein is an idea. The best of the ideas and dreams of those three- Bernie, Stein, and Johnson- add up to a whole lot more in terms of what makes sense than what Clinton and Trump offer combined- hugely! And is a more sensible group of ideas not easy to imagine, to see, to move toward? And potentially wonderful even?

So no, looking at it that way I honestly could care less if Johnson blew it on Aleppo.

mrussel1

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

You don't think the person running for POTUS should be expected to know where Aleppo is?? While the USA is essentially at war with ISIS in Syria??

Yeah, I suppose he probably should but it does not bother me in the least that Johnson goofed on Aleppo. Johnson is not a potential POTUS. Johnson is an idea. Just like Bernie is an idea (that verged on a reality for a while, and that is saying something) and Stein is an idea. The best of the ideas and dreams of those three- Bernie, Stein, and Johnson- add up to a whole lot more in terms of what makes sense than what Clinton and Trump offer combined- hugely! And is a more sensible group of ideas not easy to imagine, to see, to move toward? And potentially wonderful even?

So no, looking at it that way I honestly could care less if Johnson blew it on Aleppo.

Well I can agree with some of what you say here. Johnson is an idea. Johnson as POTUS is a bad idea though. Good news is that Trump learned about Aleppo and possibly Syria yesterday.

cottagesteeze

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

You don't think the person running for POTUS should be expected to know where Aleppo is?? While the USA is essentially at war with ISIS in Syria??

Yeah, I suppose he probably should but it does not bother me in the least that Johnson goofed on Aleppo. Johnson is not a potential POTUS. Johnson is an idea. Just like Bernie is an idea (that verged on a reality for a while, and that is saying something) and Stein is an idea. The best of the ideas and dreams of those three- Bernie, Stein, and Johnson- add up to a whole lot more in terms of what makes sense than what Clinton and Trump offer combined- hugely! And is a more sensible group of ideas not easy to imagine, to see, to move toward? And potentially wonderful even?

So no, looking at it that way I honestly could care less if Johnson blew it on Aleppo.

Well I can agree with some of what you say here. Johnson is an idea. Johnson as POTUS is a bad idea though. Good news is that Trump learned about Aleppo and possibly Syria yesterday.

I think anyone claiming that Johnson doesn't know where Aleppo is, must know that they are full of shit. What, has he been hiding in a cave for 5 years? He wasn't in a conversation related to anything close to Aleppo when the question came up, and was caught off guard as to what they were asking. How hard is that to understand?

mrussel1

cottagesteeze said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

You don't think the person running for POTUS should be expected to know where Aleppo is?? While the USA is essentially at war with ISIS in Syria??

Yeah, I suppose he probably should but it does not bother me in the least that Johnson goofed on Aleppo. Johnson is not a potential POTUS. Johnson is an idea. Just like Bernie is an idea (that verged on a reality for a while, and that is saying something) and Stein is an idea. The best of the ideas and dreams of those three- Bernie, Stein, and Johnson- add up to a whole lot more in terms of what makes sense than what Clinton and Trump offer combined- hugely! And is a more sensible group of ideas not easy to imagine, to see, to move toward? And potentially wonderful even?

So no, looking at it that way I honestly could care less if Johnson blew it on Aleppo.

Well I can agree with some of what you say here. Johnson is an idea. Johnson as POTUS is a bad idea though. Good news is that Trump learned about Aleppo and possibly Syria yesterday.

I think anyone claiming that Johnson doesn't know where Aleppo is, must know that they are full of shit. What, has he been hiding in a cave for 5 years? He wasn't in a conversation related to anything close to Aleppo when the question came up, and was caught off guard as to what they were asking. How hard is that to understand?

I don't know I'm full of shit. I can only go off of what I saw on tv, and that was a blank stare. Did you watch it? How can you know that he knows when all indications are that he didn't know. And further did you hear his follow up answer when hear heard that Aleppo was in Syria? That gave Sarah Palin's 60 minutes interview a run for its $. Although I give him credit that he knew Russia was involved.

Gern Blansten

Plus...Johnson apologized for it...he said he should have known. So there.

hedonist

I think all candidates in this clusterfuck of an election should be held to the same standards.

"Find me sitting by myself, no excuses that I know"

Yeah.

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

You don't think the person running for POTUS should be expected to know where Aleppo is?? While the USA is essentially at war with ISIS in Syria??

Yeah, I suppose he probably should but it does not bother me in the least that Johnson goofed on Aleppo. Johnson is not a potential POTUS. Johnson is an idea. Just like Bernie is an idea (that verged on a reality for a while, and that is saying something) and Stein is an idea. The best of the ideas and dreams of those three- Bernie, Stein, and Johnson- add up to a whole lot more in terms of what makes sense than what Clinton and Trump offer combined- hugely! And is a more sensible group of ideas not easy to imagine, to see, to move toward? And potentially wonderful even?

So no, looking at it that way I honestly could care less if Johnson blew it on Aleppo.

Well I can agree with some of what you say here. Johnson is an idea. Johnson as POTUS is a bad idea though. Good news is that Trump learned about Aleppo and possibly Syria yesterday.

You completely missed what I'm saying here.

mrussel1

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

You don't think the person running for POTUS should be expected to know where Aleppo is?? While the USA is essentially at war with ISIS in Syria??

Yeah, I suppose he probably should but it does not bother me in the least that Johnson goofed on Aleppo. Johnson is not a potential POTUS. Johnson is an idea. Just like Bernie is an idea (that verged on a reality for a while, and that is saying something) and Stein is an idea. The best of the ideas and dreams of those three- Bernie, Stein, and Johnson- add up to a whole lot more in terms of what makes sense than what Clinton and Trump offer combined- hugely! And is a more sensible group of ideas not easy to imagine, to see, to move toward? And potentially wonderful even?

So no, looking at it that way I honestly could care less if Johnson blew it on Aleppo.

Well I can agree with some of what you say here. Johnson is an idea. Johnson as POTUS is a bad idea though. Good news is that Trump learned about Aleppo and possibly Syria yesterday.

You completely missed what I'm saying here.

Oh I understood. I'm just pointing out where I agree, rather than where I disagree. The problem is that Johnson and Bernie/Stein are not compatible ideas. In fact, they are diametrically opposed in more ways than they agree.

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

my jaunt through Maine last week showed more signs for Gary Johnson and Trump than Clinton ... there were actually not many signs at all to be quite honest ... but of the ones I saw ... didn't see any for HRC except for a sticker on a person's car ...

Gary Johnson? You mean the guy that this morning didn't know what Aleppo was? Yeah, informed voters for sure. He's ready.

Maine will go for Clinton by 8 points+. Don't you worry.

I didn't know where Aleppo is until just now. But I'm an uninformed idiot, right? Right....

If you were running for POTUS, I would say yes. If you are just a guy that pays attention to what's going on in the world when you can, then I would say no. Sorry, the bar for uninformed for you and a POTUS candidate are far different. I don't want to 'drink a beer' with the president. That's how we got W.

I'm looking for a good president, not an encyclopedia.

You don't think the person running for POTUS should be expected to know where Aleppo is?? While the USA is essentially at war with ISIS in Syria??

Yeah, I suppose he probably should but it does not bother me in the least that Johnson goofed on Aleppo. Johnson is not a potential POTUS. Johnson is an idea. Just like Bernie is an idea (that verged on a reality for a while, and that is saying something) and Stein is an idea. The best of the ideas and dreams of those three- Bernie, Stein, and Johnson- add up to a whole lot more in terms of what makes sense than what Clinton and Trump offer combined- hugely! And is a more sensible group of ideas not easy to imagine, to see, to move toward? And potentially wonderful even?

So no, looking at it that way I honestly could care less if Johnson blew it on Aleppo.

Well I can agree with some of what you say here. Johnson is an idea. Johnson as POTUS is a bad idea though. Good news is that Trump learned about Aleppo and possibly Syria yesterday.

You completely missed what I'm saying here.

Oh I understood. I'm just pointing out where I agree, rather than where I disagree. The problem is that Johnson and Bernie/Stein are not compatible ideas. In fact, they are diametrically opposed in more ways than they agree.

You did not at all show understanding. In fact, you were coming off as a bit trollish.

hedonist

Wow.