brianlux
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This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.
But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.
Just a tip, don't assume that people voting for hillary are not independent thinkers. When you do that, you are attacking people the same way that they are attacking you. Also, to be honest, I have never heard any person running for president ever talk about homeless people and that includes Bernie.
Politicians always talk about the middle class, cause most Americans believe that they are middle class even if they r not
Ok. But I am a registered independent and that's what I meant. Sure some independence are voting for Hillary and that's their prerogative, their choice. I am just trying to describe that I think differently than bipartisan thinkers.
For me, politicians need to be more honest with the people but the people also have to accept that they will not like everything that they are told.
For example, during the debate the question was asked what they were going to bring the job back from overseas and I wish someone said that those jobs are not coming back cause they aren't but could you imagne if anyone said that?
The first paragraph - true. The jobs aren't coming back from overseas because it is a loophole that there is a tax break for any company who outsources jobs. Every few years the bill gets reexamined and every time the Republicans reject it.
I'm not either but I'm always reminded that gwb won reelection and realize that shit happens.
In 2000, Gore won the popular vote, yet when the media raced to announce the winner, they proclaimed GWB the winner. It's rigged. It's one of the reasons why I don't buy the fear factor.
Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.
But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.
Just a tip, don't assume that people voting for hillary are not independent thinkers. When you do that, you are attacking people the same way that they are attacking you. Also, to be honest, I have never heard any person running for president ever talk about homeless people and that includes Bernie.
Politicians always talk about the middle class, cause most Americans believe that they are middle class even if they r not
Ok. But I am a registered independent and that's what I meant. Sure some independence are voting for Hillary and that's their prerogative, their choice. I am just trying to describe that I think differently than bipartisan thinkers.
For me, politicians need to be more honest with the people but the people also have to accept that they will not like everything that they are told.
For example, during the debate the question was asked what they were going to bring the job back from overseas and I wish someone said that those jobs are not coming back cause they aren't but could you imagne if anyone said that?
Bruce told us so in Hometown... He was honest about it. Labor is always going to chase the cheapest market. That's just a fact.
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
Because if my memory serves me correct, Hillary was very on board with Clyburn's 10/20/30 plan several months ago. Did Bernie have an alternate one? I'm asking because I don't remember it.
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This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.
I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.
I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.
I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.
I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.
I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.
I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
Yeah, I noticed that. Not long from now, when they fully merge, it will be the new unipartisan vs everybody else.
That's an interesting take on working together, particularly when you complimented the plan.
It sounds good on the surface but, well, also just typical of my distrust of the Demopublican coalition, so to speak. I find myself further and further outside that box.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Im sorry to tell you this but Bernie would not have made a difference for those living in poverty. In your political system, the president in 1 part of thr process. Bernie would need the house and congress to pass the things he wanted. Bernie ideas were great but lets not pretend that many of them would have been passed with the way the congress and the house were.
This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Im sorry to tell you this but Bernie would not have made a difference for those living in poverty. In your political system, the president in 1 part of thr process. Bernie would need the house and congress to pass the things he wanted. Bernie ideas were great but lets not pretend that many of them would have been passed with the way the congress and the house were.
I don't know what ideas he had to actually address poverty. His ideas were focused on the middle class.
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This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.
If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Im sorry to tell you this but Bernie would not have made a difference for those living in poverty. In your political system, the president in 1 part of thr process. Bernie would need the house and congress to pass the things he wanted. Bernie ideas were great but lets not pretend that many of them would have been passed with the way the congress and the house were.
No, that's OK, I get it. I don't think the president should be directly responsible for doing much of anything by himself. One person do all that? No. What many seem either to not know about Bernie or to have forgotten is that he didn't want to become a dictator or rule with an iron fist or make all the decisions. What he's been trying to achieve is having a better informed public, a citizenry that becomes educated about issues and involved in moving us in the direction of a more balance society and that is what would help ease poverty and a host of other issues that plague this country and this world. Rather than call all the shots, he would be a guide, our compass, our rudder and we row like hell and try to make progress. Bernie is not perfect but he is more about us as a whole that you will find in most other high level politicians.
But you have to be an idealist to accept these notions and idealism is not very popular these days. Hi ho.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
How many Democrats would have changed their primary vote if the hacked emails were released earlier? No way to know for sure but I haven't seen many claiming they would have so far.
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If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.
It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.
Because if my memory serves me correct, Hillary was very on board with Clyburn's 10/20/30 plan several months ago. Did Bernie have an alternate one? I'm asking because I don't remember it.
https://clyburn.house.gov/10-20-30-amendment
Bipartisan in fact
But you have to be an idealist to accept these notions and idealism is not very popular these days. Hi ho.
http://americanintelligencereport.com/shocking-almost-nobody-for-hillary-at-wisconsin-rally
Out here in California I'd say right on. But in a swing state like Wisconsin? Maybe not such a good idea.
And the low turn out- multiple reasons for that.
HRC Speeches to Wall Street
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927
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Apparently Bernie IS registered as a write-in in nearly all states
How Bernie Sanders Could Become President With Only 130,000 Votes
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http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16700
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