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  • Suziemay
    Suziemay Posts: 11,168
    pdalowsky said:

    SVRDhand13 said:

    Almost 3 years later and I still think it's the best song off LB

    its certianly one of the best, I wonder if Black was released today it would be dismissed as a ballad......(which remains my favourite of their whole catalogue)

    As for nothingman, hating on that one absolutely blows my mind
    I don't love Nothingman... :fearful:
  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    I find nothing wrong with any of the other ballads.. love nothingman, yellow moon, parachutes, etc.
    but like someone mentioned earlier. the chord progression in Sirens reminds me of some hair metal ballad.
    the music is much too similar to Poison or Slaughter or some of that shit for me.

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  • shetellsherself
    shetellsherself New Jersey Posts: 8,835
    edited September 2016
    pjhawks said:

    I think Sirens studio version is pretty good, but the song just doesn't work live in my opinion. it doesn't sound right live to me. it's missing something live. maybe too fast or too much guitar. i don't know. i just know it doesn't fit live at this time.

    I think it doesn't translate well live bc you suddenly realize it really is pj playing that song it its just uncomfortable to be confronted with that reality.

    And this is why:
    lolobugg said:

    I find nothing wrong with any of the other ballads.. love nothingman, yellow moon, parachutes, etc.
    but like someone mentioned earlier. the chord progression in Sirens reminds me of some hair metal ballad.
    the music is much too similar to Poison or Slaughter or some of that shit for me.

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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,211
    Suziemay said:

    pdalowsky said:

    SVRDhand13 said:

    Almost 3 years later and I still think it's the best song off LB

    its certianly one of the best, I wonder if Black was released today it would be dismissed as a ballad......(which remains my favourite of their whole catalogue)

    As for nothingman, hating on that one absolutely blows my mind
    I don't love Nothingman... :fearful:
    Wait till we meet again young lady
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,797
    lolobugg said:

    I find nothing wrong with any of the other ballads.. love nothingman, yellow moon, parachutes, etc.
    but like someone mentioned earlier. the chord progression in Sirens reminds me of some hair metal ballad.
    the music is much too similar to Poison or Slaughter or some of that shit for me.

    I know we have had conversation about these songs before and you hit it on the head for me.
    THIS is why I like Sirens and think Yellow Moon and Parachutes are weak. I love that McMelty still has some 80s Shadow type music flowing through his veins.

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  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    Ok, I finally figured out which song Sirens reminds me of..........
    I want to apologize in advance to Mike McCready........

    https://youtu.be/jhat-xUQ6dw

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  • jmug23
    jmug23 Posts: 778
    SVRDhand13 said:

    pdalowsky said:

    SVRDhand13 said:

    Almost 3 years later and I still think it's the best song off LB

    its certianly one of the best, I wonder if Black was released today it would be dismissed as a ballad......(which remains my favourite of their whole catalogue)

    As for nothingman, hating on that one absolutely blows my mind
    Love Nothing Man and Black. Both in my top 10. The "ballads" and slower songs have been unfairly criticized IMO. I think Just Breathe, The End, and Future Days are other good tracks that are dismissed because they are not hard rock. To me it shows a maturation of the band.
    I agree. But funny thing is, they have had slow songs on every album. That's what I love about this band. They have in your face fast songs, medium tempo and slow songs. Almost like their songs fit every mood, at least for me.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    lolobugg said:

    I find nothing wrong with any of the other ballads.. love nothingman, yellow moon, parachutes, etc.
    but like someone mentioned earlier. the chord progression in Sirens reminds me of some hair metal ballad.
    the music is much too similar to Poison or Slaughter or some of that shit for me.

    That's how I see it (or hear it, I should say). And that super cheesy intro.. "Hear the Si-ruuuuuuuuunnnssss." No, just... no!
    I have no problem with other ballads. Black, Garden, Indifference, Nothingman, Immortality, Off He Goes, Around the Bend, Wishlist, NAIS, Thin Air, Parting Ways, Thumbing, All or None, Parachutes, Speed of Sound, Just Breathe, Yellow Moon, Future Days, the 2nd disc of Lost Dogs - all excellent songs!
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  • Wma31394
    Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    HesCalledDyer said:

    lolobugg said:

    I find nothing wrong with any of the other ballads.. love nothingman, yellow moon, parachutes, etc.
    but like someone mentioned earlier. the chord progression in Sirens reminds me of some hair metal ballad.
    the music is much too similar to Poison or Slaughter or some of that shit for me.

    That's how I see it (or hear it, I should say). And that super cheesy intro.. "Hear the Si-ruuuuuuuuunnnssss." No, just... no!
    I have no problem with other ballads. Black, Garden, Indifference, Nothingman, Immortality, Off He Goes, Around the Bend, Wishlist, NAIS, Thin Air, Parting Ways, Thumbing, All or None, Parachutes, Speed of Sound, Just Breathe, Yellow Moon, Future Days, the 2nd disc of Lost Dogs - all excellent songs!
    Garden a ballad??!?
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    F Me In The Brain said:

    lolobugg said:

    I find nothing wrong with any of the other ballads.. love nothingman, yellow moon, parachutes, etc.
    but like someone mentioned earlier. the chord progression in Sirens reminds me of some hair metal ballad.
    the music is much too similar to Poison or Slaughter or some of that shit for me.

    I know we have had conversation about these songs before and you hit it on the head for me.
    THIS is why I like Sirens and think Yellow Moon and Parachutes are weak. I love that McMelty still has some 80s Shadow type music flowing through his veins.

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  • djklambake
    djklambake PHX, AZ Posts: 2,524
    I was just thinking about this the other day - they didn't play Sirens at Wrigley 2... Maybe the first time since their first Wrigley show in 2013 that they didn't play it! Weird...

    I adore the outro...
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited September 2016
    lolobugg said:

    Ok, I finally figured out which song Sirens reminds me of..........
    I want to apologize in advance to Mike McCready........

    https://youtu.be/jhat-xUQ6dw

    Silent Lucidity is a badass song, just like Sirens....I actually think Sirens its on the same level as Black, but it a more mature fashion

    as far as Nothingman, I don't know how in the world anyone could diss the power of that song "He Who Forgets, Will Be Destined to Remember" daaaamn!

  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Wma31394 said:

    HesCalledDyer said:

    lolobugg said:

    I find nothing wrong with any of the other ballads.. love nothingman, yellow moon, parachutes, etc.
    but like someone mentioned earlier. the chord progression in Sirens reminds me of some hair metal ballad.
    the music is much too similar to Poison or Slaughter or some of that shit for me.

    That's how I see it (or hear it, I should say). And that super cheesy intro.. "Hear the Si-ruuuuuuuuunnnssss." No, just... no!
    I have no problem with other ballads. Black, Garden, Indifference, Nothingman, Immortality, Off He Goes, Around the Bend, Wishlist, NAIS, Thin Air, Parting Ways, Thumbing, All or None, Parachutes, Speed of Sound, Just Breathe, Yellow Moon, Future Days, the 2nd disc of Lost Dogs - all excellent songs!
    Garden a ballad??!?
    On the album, yeah, it feels more like a ballad imo. Live, definitely not so much.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    I was a fan of Sirens, but that time has sadly elapsed.

    I now associate the opening of that song with the douchebag (has to be a ten club member right?) in the Hampton GA who crowded up on me as uncomfortably as humanly possible, and then moved directly in front of me just to be a total dick just as Sirens began. I sang that shit as loud and off key as possible directly in his ear hole. What a LOSER.

    I do like the outro.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,609
    Mark me down as confused/surprised as to why it gets so much hate. It's not a top-10 song for me or anything, but I like it and it's right in the mix with a couple other songs for # 3 on LB (My undisputed top-2 being Getaway and Infallible).
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    I don't like Sirens at all. It is my least favorite song on the album.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    For the record, I do like the outro sing-along at shows. If they could just skip the song and do that, that would be fine.
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  • djklambake
    djklambake PHX, AZ Posts: 2,524
    Oh and Nothingman is one of the best songs ever written.
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  • KC138045
    KC138045 Columbus, OH Posts: 2,716
    HesCalledDyer said:

    For the record, I do like the outro sing-along at shows. If they could just skip the song and do that, that would be fine.

    Just use the outro as a tag
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  • Suziemay
    Suziemay Posts: 11,168
    pdalowsky said:

    Suziemay said:

    pdalowsky said:

    SVRDhand13 said:

    Almost 3 years later and I still think it's the best song off LB

    its certianly one of the best, I wonder if Black was released today it would be dismissed as a ballad......(which remains my favourite of their whole catalogue)

    As for nothingman, hating on that one absolutely blows my mind
    I don't love Nothingman... :fearful:
    Wait till we meet again young lady
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