I wish Eddie was being a lot more political than that. Just a guy coming out in a Trump mask? Come on Eddie.... there is so much more that could be said and done. Trump, Clinton, and just the whole bloody mess is presenting so much material, and all you've got is some dude in a Trump mask, which probably actually had nothing to do with you in the first place? So sad.
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I think maybe Eddie finally realized what being in a rock n' roll band is all about. I'm sure he'll have plenty of rants in the future (there can be a time and a place *cough* Raleigh), but it's almost like he grew up a little during these concerts. I couldn't be happier that any major politicizing was left at the door.
You went to a PJ show and got upset that a political reference was made............
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He apologized Friday night for something he said about Trump, I thought the mask was a nice touch Sunday. Though I thought he was gonna get the cake to his face haha
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It was a political statement sure but that particular statement looked more like an inside joke on the guy who's birthday it was. Except for the small hands. That part was definitely a shot at trump.
He apologized Friday night for something he said about Trump, I thought the mask was a nice touch Sunday. Though I thought he was gonna get the cake to his face haha
I wonder when Eddie got scared of a tiny bit of political controversy?
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I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
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I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
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I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I respectfully disagree with you here .I honestly got tired of all the political rants during previous tours, whether I agreed or not I myself want to get away from all that BS when I go to a show, as im in touch with politics and current events on a daily basis and when I got to a rock show for me that's an escape from the norm. I know they are political and he can say what he wants and I respect that, but I think even Ed got the sense that it went a little overboard at times. I like how he does it now, its more subtle, direct, and he moves along rather than going on a tangent. I think when he did go on that rants it killed some of the momentum of the shows, but that's just my observation. Most Pearl Jam fans believe whatever he does, so its preaching to the choir at times. I think he is trying to make changes in a different way now and as he gets older you cant sound so bitter, but try and create change in different ways.
I don't recall saying the night was ruined, but thanks for playing.
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Of course you're allowed to voice an opinion. But apparently you think it's only one-way since you feel silenced by other's voicing their opinions about your opinion? Everyone can voice how they feel. But don't get all hurt or offended just because some disagree or see it differently.
I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I would like to see a return to more politics. Bring on the anti-Trump rants at Wrigley!
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I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
Maybe you should read his full statement or watch video of when he apologized - I thought his larger message was much more politically important and useful than an all-out biting attack on Trump. Read/watch it then see if you feel the same...maybe you will, but I think his larger message is exactly what progressives missed and how Trump got this far.
The world is a better place with a less political Eddie Vedder. And it's not that I don't mostly agree with him or anything, it's just a tired routine. Again, I'm sure he's going to be back to his old ways before long, but I'm going to enjoy these shows way more because they did what they do best without the nonsense.
I think it is tough to rail on Trump when Clinton is the other option. 2/3 of the country despises both. A lot of the stuff he said in the past can easily be described about Clinton as well. Obviously, Trump is a disaster. Its really a "no win" this election cycle. Hillary has already won anyway, was decided in the back rooms years ago. Everything you are seeing now is basically a dog and pony show.
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I think it is tough to rail on Trump when Clinton is the other option. 2/3 of the country despises both. A lot of the stuff he said in the past can easily be described about Clinton as well. Obviously, Trump is a disaster. Its really a "no win" this election cycle. Hillary has already won anyway, was decided in the back rooms years ago. Everything you are seeing now is basically a dog and pony show.
Pretty sure that Trump getting to point of being the GOP candidate proves that back room deals can still be turned Topsy turvy. Because no one in GOP denies they never thought he'd get this far.
I've never been offended by Ed's political rants, as some call them. But I'm not like, disappointed, when I go to a rock show and the singer doesn't proselytize about politics. If he wants to, fine, but it's not the primary purpose of why I'm there. I don't miss it if it's not there. That's just weird.
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I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
Maybe you should read his full statement or watch video of when he apologized - I thought his larger message was much more politically important and useful than an all-out biting attack on Trump. Read/watch it then see if you feel the same...maybe you will, but I think his larger message is exactly what progressives missed and how Trump got this far.
you nailed it....I like the messages that he is spreading now about all of us coming together and respecting one another...this is a more grounded Vedder than I have ever seen him..I think we get enough attack dog tactics from politicians like Trump and others
I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I respectfully disagree with you here .I honestly got tired of all the political rants during previous tours, whether I agreed or not I myself want to get away from all that BS when I go to a show, as im in touch with politics and current events on a daily basis and when I got to a rock show for me that's an escape from the norm. I know they are political and he can say what he wants and I respect that, but I think even Ed got the sense that it went a little overboard at times. I like how he does it now, its more subtle, direct, and he moves along rather than going on a tangent. I think when he did go on that rants it killed some of the momentum of the shows, but that's just my observation. Most Pearl Jam fans believe whatever he does, so its preaching to the choir at times. I think he is trying to make changes in a different way now and as he gets older you cant sound so bitter, but try and create change in different ways.
Yeah, I'm aware that some don't like it. But I do. I like that kind of passion, even if it's controversial, and for me it makes a show memorable rather than ruining any momentum. If he is trying to makes changes politically in a different way now, I don't think I'm seeing it.... unless you mean playing at an Obama fundraiser. To me he is coming off more as apathetic, not as someone who has just refocused his efforts. Remember the uproar he caused and then how he released that single of Imagine and that letter to confront the press about his anti-war rant? That actually really seemed to excite a lot of fans. It kind of created an energy that we hadn't seen in a long time IMO. and it inspired a LOT of conversation on the topic. So I do think there is still a hunger for shit like that (with some), and a useful purpose for it. I guess he decided he didn't like the spotlight it shone on him though. Too bad, because his ability to get in the spotlight and make some important points was a positive I thought, and, up until recently, he thought so too. He doesn't even advocate for women anymore. Not sure why he dropped that. He was so into it in the 90s. We could really use more voices like that now. Male feminists are the ones who could really change things, but not enough of them are stepping up.
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He doesn't even advocate for women anymore. Not sure why he dropped that. He was so into it in the 90s. We could really use more voices like that now. Male feminists are the ones who could really change things, but not enough of them are stepping up.