Night 2 was perfect BUT....

PJ_Soul

JH6056 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

slightofjeff said:

I've never been offended by Ed's political rants, as some call them. But I'm not like, disappointed, when I go to a rock show and the singer doesn't proselytize about politics. If he wants to, fine, but it's not the primary purpose of why I'm there. I don't miss it if it's not there. That's just weird.

It's not the reason I'm there either, but I miss his voice in politics for sure. I wouldn't feel any different no matter who we were talking about. A appreciate strong voices of protest a lot, and Eddie not doing that anymore just means one less voice. It has nothing to do with my specific concert experience. I don't miss it if it's not there at a show I'm at (been to shows where he didn't mention it at all, and that's fine). I miss it in general.

he has seen 8 years of progress and positive change. there's no real reason for him to go on a political rant at shows at this point. he didn't start getting really riled up until after Bush was already in power, not before.

What all the shit going down the LGBT and abortion rights and women's rights, etc etc etc? It's not just all about the POTUS. Politics is about a lot more than elections (as you know). I wish he were more involved and interested like he used to me. The more people who can draw attention and call attention to such matters the better. Sure they cancelled their NC show, but that was a passive, symbolic kind of thing, so just not the same.

Every single one of those issues will be more impacted (for better or worse) by the choice of next President and that person's Supreme Court justice picks than any other single political local fight or generalist statement you could make. People who don't understand that mystify me, when just the last 2 years of abortion access/ending access and LGBTQ issues were more affected by court decisions than anything else in the most critical ways. We activists have all 3 yrs between presidential elections to act locally or work on national messages. But presidential election outcomes are major, as well as justice choices and Congressional elections on every issue you mention.

Recent history is glaring proof ofx ghis, again ft or both better and worse.

I'm aware. I just miss Eddie's voice in those issues. That's all I'm saying. I am not suggesting that if Eddie speaks to such things the POTUS and SCOTUS aren't necessary, lol. It's about having a lot of voices out there to keep the dialogue open and healthy and impassioned and accessible to all types of people, and specifically because that CAN lead to people acting locally and putting pressure on politicians, etc. I simply wish Eddie's was still one of those voices. I appreciated it. (if you have an issue with that sentiment, I'm not sure I get why, but that's fine. Doesn't change my feelings about it though).

JH6056

PJ_Soul said:

JH6056 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

slightofjeff said:

I've never been offended by Ed's political rants, as some call them. But I'm not like, disappointed, when I go to a rock show and the singer doesn't proselytize about politics. If he wants to, fine, but it's not the primary purpose of why I'm there. I don't miss it if it's not there. That's just weird.

It's not the reason I'm there either, but I miss his voice in politics for sure. I wouldn't feel any different no matter who we were talking about. A appreciate strong voices of protest a lot, and Eddie not doing that anymore just means one less voice. It has nothing to do with my specific concert experience. I don't miss it if it's not there at a show I'm at (been to shows where he didn't mention it at all, and that's fine). I miss it in general.

he has seen 8 years of progress and positive change. there's no real reason for him to go on a political rant at shows at this point. he didn't start getting really riled up until after Bush was already in power, not before.

What all the shit going down the LGBT and abortion rights and women's rights, etc etc etc? It's not just all about the POTUS. Politics is about a lot more than elections (as you know). I wish he were more involved and interested like he used to me. The more people who can draw attention and call attention to such matters the better. Sure they cancelled their NC show, but that was a passive, symbolic kind of thing, so just not the same.

Every single one of those issues will be more impacted (for better or worse) by the choice of next President and that person's Supreme Court justice picks than any other single political local fight or generalist statement you could make. People who don't understand that mystify me, when just the last 2 years of abortion access/ending access and LGBTQ issues were more affected by court decisions than anything else in the most critical ways. We activists have all 3 yrs between presidential elections to act locally or work on national messages. But presidential election outcomes are major, as well as justice choices and Congressional elections on every issue you mention.

Recent history is glaring proof ofx ghis, again ft or both better and worse.

I'm aware. I just miss Eddie's voice in those issues. That's all I'm saying. I am not suggesting that if Eddie speaks to such things the POTUS and SCOTUS aren't necessary, lol. It's about having a lot of voices out there to keep the dialogue open and healthy and impassioned and accessible to all types of people, and specifically because that CAN lead to people acting locally and putting pressure on politicians, etc. I simply wish Eddie's was still one of those voices. I appreciated it. (if you have an issue with that sentiment, I'm not sure I get why, but that's fine. Doesn't change my feelings about it though).

I have no issue at all with your last statement. It's the statements you made earlier in this discussion I don't get and I was clear about why. If you're back peddling on those that's your business, but you were quite clear in your earlier statements.

PJ_Soul

JH6056 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JH6056 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

slightofjeff said:

I've never been offended by Ed's political rants, as some call them. But I'm not like, disappointed, when I go to a rock show and the singer doesn't proselytize about politics. If he wants to, fine, but it's not the primary purpose of why I'm there. I don't miss it if it's not there. That's just weird.

It's not the reason I'm there either, but I miss his voice in politics for sure. I wouldn't feel any different no matter who we were talking about. A appreciate strong voices of protest a lot, and Eddie not doing that anymore just means one less voice. It has nothing to do with my specific concert experience. I don't miss it if it's not there at a show I'm at (been to shows where he didn't mention it at all, and that's fine). I miss it in general.

he has seen 8 years of progress and positive change. there's no real reason for him to go on a political rant at shows at this point. he didn't start getting really riled up until after Bush was already in power, not before.

What all the shit going down the LGBT and abortion rights and women's rights, etc etc etc? It's not just all about the POTUS. Politics is about a lot more than elections (as you know). I wish he were more involved and interested like he used to me. The more people who can draw attention and call attention to such matters the better. Sure they cancelled their NC show, but that was a passive, symbolic kind of thing, so just not the same.

Every single one of those issues will be more impacted (for better or worse) by the choice of next President and that person's Supreme Court justice picks than any other single political local fight or generalist statement you could make. People who don't understand that mystify me, when just the last 2 years of abortion access/ending access and LGBTQ issues were more affected by court decisions than anything else in the most critical ways. We activists have all 3 yrs between presidential elections to act locally or work on national messages. But presidential election outcomes are major, as well as justice choices and Congressional elections on every issue you mention.

Recent history is glaring proof ofx ghis, again ft or both better and worse.

I'm aware. I just miss Eddie's voice in those issues. That's all I'm saying. I am not suggesting that if Eddie speaks to such things the POTUS and SCOTUS aren't necessary, lol. It's about having a lot of voices out there to keep the dialogue open and healthy and impassioned and accessible to all types of people, and specifically because that CAN lead to people acting locally and putting pressure on politicians, etc. I simply wish Eddie's was still one of those voices. I appreciated it. (if you have an issue with that sentiment, I'm not sure I get why, but that's fine. Doesn't change my feelings about it though).

I have no issue at all with your last statement. It's the statements you made earlier in this discussion I don't get and I was clear about why. If you're back peddling on those that's your business, but you were quite clear in your earlier statements.

I'm not back peddling on anything at all. I meant everything I said. I'm not sure what statements you have a problem with. All of them lead to what I just said.

PJ_Soul

I just saw this that you added to a post:

JH6056 said:

Lastly, I would be very careful about thinking you know the breadth of what he cares passionately about or the extent of his activism based on what he says during concerts. He's been doing this for 25 yrs... maybe he feels like he's figured out better ways to more effectively use his influence? You're making serious assumptions about his heart and actions based on his stage statements...

I know what Eddie is up to when it comes to his charitable activities and whatever he does publicly. I'm not making any assumptions about his heart. I am basing my opinion on his actions, on stage and off.
You seem kind of irritated, and I'm not sure why.

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

slightofjeff said:

I've never been offended by Ed's political rants, as some call them. But I'm not like, disappointed, when I go to a rock show and the singer doesn't proselytize about politics. If he wants to, fine, but it's not the primary purpose of why I'm there. I don't miss it if it's not there. That's just weird.

It's not the reason I'm there either, but I miss his voice in politics for sure. I wouldn't feel any different no matter who we were talking about. A appreciate strong voices of protest a lot, and Eddie not doing that anymore just means one less voice. It has nothing to do with my specific concert experience. I don't miss it if it's not there at a show I'm at (been to shows where he didn't mention it at all, and that's fine). I miss it in general.

he has seen 8 years of progress and positive change. there's no real reason for him to go on a political rant at shows at this point. he didn't start getting really riled up until after Bush was already in power, not before.

What all the shit going down the LGBT and abortion rights and women's rights, etc etc etc? It's not just all about the POTUS. Politics is about a lot more than elections (as you know). I wish he were more involved and interested like he used to be. The more people who can draw attention to such matters the better. Sure they cancelled their NC show, but that was a passive, symbolic kind of thing, so just not the same (though I did support that).

I would prefer he focus in on making great music. No reason Sleeping By Myself and Future Days should be on a Pearl Jam record.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

lotsalemon said:

He apologized Friday night for something he said about Trump, I thought the mask was a nice touch Sunday. Though I thought he was gonna get the cake to his face haha

I wonder when Eddie got scared of a tiny bit of political controversy?

he didn't apologize for the words he said. he apologized for giving trump any unnecessary publicity or attention. he wanted those two nights to be positive.

I heard it, but really he was more apologizing for creating any kind of tension or controversy or whatever (at least that's how I took it).
Anyway, I don't miss ANGRY Eddie, because angry Eddie could be pretty rude, lol. But I miss how vocal he used to be about what he found important, when he went on the radio and read things about violence against women and abortion doctors, when he didn't care if he got booed for Bu$hleaguer. Oh, for the days when he was hanging out with Gloria Steinem, haha.

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

slightofjeff said:

I've never been offended by Ed's political rants, as some call them. But I'm not like, disappointed, when I go to a rock show and the singer doesn't proselytize about politics. If he wants to, fine, but it's not the primary purpose of why I'm there. I don't miss it if it's not there. That's just weird.

It's not the reason I'm there either, but I miss his voice in politics for sure. I wouldn't feel any different no matter who we were talking about. A appreciate strong voices of protest a lot, and Eddie not doing that anymore just means one less voice. It has nothing to do with my specific concert experience. I don't miss it if it's not there at a show I'm at (been to shows where he didn't mention it at all, and that's fine). I miss it in general.

he has seen 8 years of progress and positive change. there's no real reason for him to go on a political rant at shows at this point. he didn't start getting really riled up until after Bush was already in power, not before.

What all the shit going down the LGBT and abortion rights and women's rights, etc etc etc? It's not just all about the POTUS. Politics is about a lot more than elections (as you know). I wish he were more involved and interested like he used to be. The more people who can draw attention to such matters the better. Sure they cancelled their NC show, but that was a passive, symbolic kind of thing, so just not the same (though I did support that).

I would prefer he focus in on making great music. No reason Sleeping By Myself and Future Days should be on a Pearl Jam record.

I figure there is room enough in his brain to do both.... In fact, I wonder if shit like SBM and Future Days is a result of his (apparent) declining passion about those political issues. He didn't seem to be making cheesy adult contemporary music when he was making more political noise!

Merkin Baller

CP218430 said:

I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.

Agreed.

If the Trump mask last night was enough to take enjoyment away from the show for you, it's a good thing you didn't go to any shows during the Bush era.

Free

Maybe he's being more quiet about politics because, oh, neither candidate is worth it perhaps? He spoke about how politics divides people. It does, and this country is never going to get back on track if we don't start looking in each other as teammates rather then enemies.

Jumping on the Trump bashing solves what exactly anyway? Besides cheers from fans, Trump desserves no more attention than he already gets.

Otherwise, I do miss his presence speaking politics, that's who he is!!

PJ_Soul

I agree that there is no reason for him to stand up there just bashing Trump at length, specifically (not that I would be upset about it). That would more be a comedy routine than any kind of serious dialogue. It's just too easy. Eddie did mention the little hands/little dick thing at one of the recent shows, and I thought that was pretty lazy. Though I would love a new song that addresses the whole state of political affairs in the US (but only if they're passionate about it. If they're just not feeling it I wouldn't want them to force it).

WW187806

i know this board is all freedom of speech, but holy shit. get over it. there is a contigent of pearl jam fans that are so uptight and whiny. be a man, just enjoy the phenomenal music, and thoughtfulness of the band for their fans

JH6056

PJ_Soul said:

I just saw this that you added to a post:

JH6056 said:

Lastly, I would be very careful about thinking you know the breadth of what he cares passionately about or the extent of his activism based on what he says during concerts. He's been doing this for 25 yrs... maybe he feels like he's figured out better ways to more effectively use his influence? You're making serious assumptions about his heart and actions based on his stage statements...

I know what Eddie is up to when it comes to his charitable activities and whatever he does publicly. I'm not making any assumptions about his heart. I am basing my opinion on his actions, on stage and off.
You seem kind of irritated, and I'm not sure why.

I'm not irritated, I'm just reflecting your own words back to you and you're, we'll revising your statements. You said "I wish he were more involved and interested like he used to be. ". That is obviously making an assumption he's not as involved or interested anymore. But you say you're making no assumptions...ah, ok.

At the end of the day it's obviously fine to have different opinions on the meaning of what he said, whether it was political or not, or what we each want or expect from his public voice. I don't dispute that now, nor have I ever. I just find sometimes people jump to other places in their assumptions and since they put that opinion out there, I can ask about those statements.

For this discussion today, that's all I have to say about his Fenway apology and any opinions on it in this thread. Happy Monday y'all!

bootleg

He sure still sang Masters of War like it was directed at somebody. That passion is still there.

igotid88

he's still told everyone to register to vote. especially locally not just the national. he still says never vote republican at the end of wven flow.

ldent42

igotid88 said:

he's still told everyone to register to vote. especially locally not just the national. he still says never vote republican at the end of wven flow.

Is that what he says? I thought it was "Help us from Republicans"

jdesantis1983

Maybe it has to do with him not being able to stomach a perceived endorsement of Clinton. He was pretty vocal about supporting Bernie Sanders at MSG 2 when it looked like he still had a chance.

RE4790

Just my opinion, but mocking someone because they have some less than ideal physical trait is not particularly cool or funny.

lotsalemon

RE4790 said:

Just my opinion, but mocking someone because they have some less than ideal physical trait is not particularly cool or funny.

It's funny because Trump does nothing but mock people, and how about the reporter with the disability he completely disrespected?

PJ_Soul

JH6056 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I just saw this that you added to a post:

JH6056 said:

Lastly, I would be very careful about thinking you know the breadth of what he cares passionately about or the extent of his activism based on what he says during concerts. He's been doing this for 25 yrs... maybe he feels like he's figured out better ways to more effectively use his influence? You're making serious assumptions about his heart and actions based on his stage statements...

I know what Eddie is up to when it comes to his charitable activities and whatever he does publicly. I'm not making any assumptions about his heart. I am basing my opinion on his actions, on stage and off.
You seem kind of irritated, and I'm not sure why.

I'm not irritated, I'm just reflecting your own words back to you and you're, we'll revising your statements. You said "I wish he were more involved and interested like he used to be. ". That is obviously making an assumption he's not as involved or interested anymore. But you say you're making no assumptions...ah, ok.

At the end of the day it's obviously fine to have different opinions on the meaning of what he said, whether it was political or not, or what we each want or expect from his public voice. I don't dispute that now, nor have I ever. I just find sometimes people jump to other places in their assumptions and since they put that opinion out there, I can ask about those statements.

For this discussion today, that's all I have to say about his Fenway apology and any opinions on it in this thread. Happy Monday y'all!

I haven't revised a single statement, and I don't think that observing behaviour is making an assumption at all. He is NOT as involved anymore. Anyone can see that.

PJ_Soul

jdesantis1983 said:

Maybe it has to do with him not being able to stomach a perceived endorsement of Clinton. He was pretty vocal about supporting Bernie Sanders at MSG 2 when it looked like he still had a chance.

I was wondering about his feelings about Bernie. I can't remember what show it was at, but I heard him suggest that Bernie is okay, but I didn't take it as real support for him. Just a mention that he's okay too. I dunno. He really strongly supported Obama during the last election, so I wouldn't find it surprising at all if he's supporting Hillary right now. They really aren't too different from one another. Obama is just more likeable. Anyway, Eddie hasn't said either way as far as I know. Maybe I missed it.