The small hands was funny I suppose no one had an issue with Ed dissing A-Rod on night 2?
I don't so much have a problem with Eddie criticizing certain physical features. It's not like he's Jesus, lol. It's pretty human to do that and I'm not very PC or whatever. Plus Eddie has always made jabs at various people when he feels like it. That's nothing new. Trump deserves any and all criticism and insults thrown at him in any case. If people want to talk about how he has a micro-penis, I am not bothered. I more have an issue with the lack of originality, lol. I feel like that any time I hear anyone mention Trump's tiny hands. It was played out about 2 days after it first came up!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Much like DJT, the OP, and every DJT "enthusiast" I have encountered, is way too thin skinned and way too quick to call foul every time they're even remotely questioned. I heard the USA USA USA chants too, but like those Bu$hleaguer fucks out on Long Island, you people couldn't be more misguided. Can you imagine if Ed ripped into that clown Milton Keynes style? You'd have a riot going on because those people are about 3 clicks past the point of listening to reason.
Some one way more intelligent than me once said "patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings".
Maybe it has to do with him not being able to stomach a perceived endorsement of Clinton. He was pretty vocal about supporting Bernie Sanders at MSG 2 when it looked like he still had a chance.
I think Ed has always struggled with this. In 2000 he actively endorsed Nader. Bush won by a thin margin. In 2004, they joined Vote For Change, which, while it never really mentioned Kerry, was definitely about "Anybody But Bush."
I don't think Ed wants anything to do with endorsing a mainstream Democrat with the last name of an eight-year president. But I would bet he feels pretty ill about a Trump Presidency.
For my part, I don't really care what they do. I loved what they were doing in 2003. But then again, it was bordering on dangerous for a couple of years there to suggest W was anything less than a God. There was more value to someone saying (albeit it not always in a constructive way) "wait a second, let's acknowledge this guy's shortcomings." And, frankly, it was ballsy. To go after Trump is just kinda cliche and to make it meaningful would take a couple-minute monologue on how he's not qualified and crazy. This would be met with a lot of cheers drowning out a smattering of boos and nobody's mind would change. Knowing that the majority of the crowd feels like I suspect he feels (Trump is awful; Clinton is not as bad) and reminding them to vote (some for Clinton, some 3rd, very few for Trump) is probably more productive. When he apologized for bringing up the name, I thought he was spot on; doing that just tears us apart and there's enough of that going around.
So I don't really care what they do. The election does not swing on what one band with a dedicated, but ultimately small, following says at its concerts.
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I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I respectfully disagree with you here .I honestly got tired of all the political rants during previous tours, whether I agreed or not I myself want to get away from all that BS when I go to a show, as im in touch with politics and current events on a daily basis and when I got to a rock show for me that's an escape from the norm. I know they are political and he can say what he wants and I respect that, but I think even Ed got the sense that it went a little overboard at times. I like how he does it now, its more subtle, direct, and he moves along rather than going on a tangent. I think when he did go on that rants it killed some of the momentum of the shows, but that's just my observation. Most Pearl Jam fans believe whatever he does, so its preaching to the choir at times. I think he is trying to make changes in a different way now and as he gets older you cant sound so bitter, but try and create change in different ways.
I couldn't agree more. The columbia show was a perfect mixture of politics and show. He spent a few minutes on why they cancelled the Raleigh show and then went into some shit south Carolina law makers were proposing, and that was it. Maybe prince dying that same day saved us from more.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I respectfully disagree with you here .I honestly got tired of all the political rants during previous tours, whether I agreed or not I myself want to get away from all that BS when I go to a show, as im in touch with politics and current events on a daily basis and when I got to a rock show for me that's an escape from the norm. I know they are political and he can say what he wants and I respect that, but I think even Ed got the sense that it went a little overboard at times. I like how he does it now, its more subtle, direct, and he moves along rather than going on a tangent. I think when he did go on that rants it killed some of the momentum of the shows, but that's just my observation. Most Pearl Jam fans believe whatever he does, so its preaching to the choir at times. I think he is trying to make changes in a different way now and as he gets older you cant sound so bitter, but try and create change in different ways.
I couldn't agree more. The columbia show was a perfect mixture of politics and show. He spent a few minutes on why they cancelled the Raleigh show and then went into some shit south Carolina law makers were proposing, and that was it. Maybe prince dying that same day saved us from more.
I think that a few minutes spent on politics during a show is perfectly reasonable (or no time at all for the matter). Just want to reiterate that I am talking more "bigger picture".
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Having been at both the Hampton and Columbia shows on this tour, the pre and post Raleigh dates, I also think its possible that Ed isn't interested in confrontation, OR he really thinks that pontificating about how insane the DJT campaign is borders on preaching to the choir. Theoretically.
I would hope that the earlier mentioned riot would be pretty small, and easily contained.
I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I respectfully disagree with you here .I honestly got tired of all the political rants during previous tours, whether I agreed or not I myself want to get away from all that BS when I go to a show, as im in touch with politics and current events on a daily basis and when I got to a rock show for me that's an escape from the norm. I know they are political and he can say what he wants and I respect that, but I think even Ed got the sense that it went a little overboard at times. I like how he does it now, its more subtle, direct, and he moves along rather than going on a tangent. I think when he did go on that rants it killed some of the momentum of the shows, but that's just my observation. Most Pearl Jam fans believe whatever he does, so its preaching to the choir at times. I think he is trying to make changes in a different way now and as he gets older you cant sound so bitter, but try and create change in different ways.
Yeah, I'm aware that some don't like it. But I do. I like that kind of passion, even if it's controversial, and for me it makes a show memorable rather than ruining any momentum. If he is trying to makes changes politically in a different way now, I don't think I'm seeing it.... unless you mean playing at an Obama fundraiser. To me he is coming off more as apathetic, not as someone who has just refocused his efforts. Remember the uproar he caused and then how he released that single of Imagine and that letter to confront the press about his anti-war rant? That actually really seemed to excite a lot of fans. It kind of created an energy that we hadn't seen in a long time IMO. and it inspired a LOT of conversation on the topic. So I do think there is still a hunger for shit like that (with some), and a useful purpose for it. I guess he decided he didn't like the spotlight it shone on him though. Too bad, because his ability to get in the spotlight and make some important points was a positive I thought, and, up until recently, he thought so too. He doesn't even advocate for women anymore. Not sure why he dropped that. He was so into it in the 90s. We could really use more voices like that now. Male feminists are the ones who could really change things, but not enough of them are stepping up.
I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I respectfully disagree with you here .I honestly got tired of all the political rants during previous tours, whether I agreed or not I myself want to get away from all that BS when I go to a show, as im in touch with politics and current events on a daily basis and when I got to a rock show for me that's an escape from the norm. I know they are political and he can say what he wants and I respect that, but I think even Ed got the sense that it went a little overboard at times. I like how he does it now, its more subtle, direct, and he moves along rather than going on a tangent. I think when he did go on that rants it killed some of the momentum of the shows, but that's just my observation. Most Pearl Jam fans believe whatever he does, so its preaching to the choir at times. I think he is trying to make changes in a different way now and as he gets older you cant sound so bitter, but try and create change in different ways.
Yeah, I'm aware that some don't like it. But I do. I like that kind of passion, even if it's controversial, and for me it makes a show memorable rather than ruining any momentum. If he is trying to makes changes politically in a different way now, I don't think I'm seeing it.... unless you mean playing at an Obama fundraiser. To me he is coming off more as apathetic, not as someone who has just refocused his efforts. Remember the uproar he caused and then how he released that single of Imagine and that letter to confront the press about his anti-war rant? That actually really seemed to excite a lot of fans. It kind of created an energy that we hadn't seen in a long time IMO. and it inspired a LOT of conversation on the topic. So I do think there is still a hunger for shit like that (with some), and a useful purpose for it. I guess he decided he didn't like the spotlight it shone on him though. Too bad, because his ability to get in the spotlight and make some important points was a positive I thought, and, up until recently, he thought so too. He doesn't even advocate for women anymore. Not sure why he dropped that. He was so into it in the 90s. We could really use more voices like that now. Male feminists are the ones who could really change things, but not enough of them are stepping up.
Having a family changes people.
True.... with my last point though, you'd think have two daughters would inspire him to step it up, not back off.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I've been listening to a lot of 03 and 06 shows and those were just scathing indictments on politics - they've actually dialed it down a bunch and I think for fans that are on the other side of the aisle. The fact that they have't played Trumpleaguer, Glorified G, Rival, Evacuation, Gimme Some Truth and railed before each song shows great restraint. Truly, look back and those shows from 03 and 06 are political rallies - now they do it Springsteen style and keep it zipped for the most part.
I actually consider it a display of weakness on Eddie's part rather than something admirable, but obviously that is reliant on our personal feelings about politics in music. But I think my perspective is pretty valid, because Eddie himself set me up to expect him to not just back off like he's doing. I personally think a non-political Eddie Vedder is less interesting than the old Ed (not that I'm no longer a big huge fan. I am. But still... I feel like something's been lost).
I respectfully disagree with you here .I honestly got tired of all the political rants during previous tours, whether I agreed or not I myself want to get away from all that BS when I go to a show, as im in touch with politics and current events on a daily basis and when I got to a rock show for me that's an escape from the norm. I know they are political and he can say what he wants and I respect that, but I think even Ed got the sense that it went a little overboard at times. I like how he does it now, its more subtle, direct, and he moves along rather than going on a tangent. I think when he did go on that rants it killed some of the momentum of the shows, but that's just my observation. Most Pearl Jam fans believe whatever he does, so its preaching to the choir at times. I think he is trying to make changes in a different way now and as he gets older you cant sound so bitter, but try and create change in different ways.
Yeah, I'm aware that some don't like it. But I do. I like that kind of passion, even if it's controversial, and for me it makes a show memorable rather than ruining any momentum. If he is trying to makes changes politically in a different way now, I don't think I'm seeing it.... unless you mean playing at an Obama fundraiser. To me he is coming off more as apathetic, not as someone who has just refocused his efforts. Remember the uproar he caused and then how he released that single of Imagine and that letter to confront the press about his anti-war rant? That actually really seemed to excite a lot of fans. It kind of created an energy that we hadn't seen in a long time IMO. and it inspired a LOT of conversation on the topic. So I do think there is still a hunger for shit like that (with some), and a useful purpose for it. I guess he decided he didn't like the spotlight it shone on him though. Too bad, because his ability to get in the spotlight and make some important points was a positive I thought, and, up until recently, he thought so too. He doesn't even advocate for women anymore. Not sure why he dropped that. He was so into it in the 90s. We could really use more voices like that now. Male feminists are the ones who could really change things, but not enough of them are stepping up.
Having a family changes people.
True.... with my last point though, you'd think have two daughters would inspire him to step it up, not back off.
Ehh, dude is 50 or so now a days. It's tiring. He does his few minutes per show and moves on. I'm way ok with it.
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I just want male feminists to step up. We need them desperately. Eddie gave me hope. Too bad.
He's still does. Asking more of him now seems a bit greedy.
He does? When?
I don't know. Try googling eddie vedder feminist causes. I'm sure you'll find something. My point is the guy has been a very vocal male influence in the feminist movement since 1992. Do you think he just stopped because you don't hear about it?
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I know it's probably not a popular opinion around here, but I think Ed should have called out our sitting president a little more often. I guess he became star struck after meeting him. Imagine if a republican president won the Nobel peace prize and then proceeded to use drone strikes to kill people around the world. You bet your ass Ed would have flamed him in some half buzzed rant at a show.
The night was great and I'll remember it forever. Wish they played Red Mosquito on sunday but I'll hear it again somewhere. The energy during Cordouroy to Hail Hail was amazing. I too had to catch my breath and was seeing stars from singing... Loved the stories from Ed...a lot more talking then usually but it was great.
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Some one way more intelligent than me once said "patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings".
And...bye-bye A-rod.
I don't think Ed wants anything to do with endorsing a mainstream Democrat with the last name of an eight-year president. But I would bet he feels pretty ill about a Trump Presidency.
For my part, I don't really care what they do. I loved what they were doing in 2003. But then again, it was bordering on dangerous for a couple of years there to suggest W was anything less than a God. There was more value to someone saying (albeit it not always in a constructive way) "wait a second, let's acknowledge this guy's shortcomings." And, frankly, it was ballsy. To go after Trump is just kinda cliche and to make it meaningful would take a couple-minute monologue on how he's not qualified and crazy. This would be met with a lot of cheers drowning out a smattering of boos and nobody's mind would change. Knowing that the majority of the crowd feels like I suspect he feels (Trump is awful; Clinton is not as bad) and reminding them to vote (some for Clinton, some 3rd, very few for Trump) is probably more productive. When he apologized for bringing up the name, I thought he was spot on; doing that just tears us apart and there's enough of that going around.
So I don't really care what they do. The election does not swing on what one band with a dedicated, but ultimately small, following says at its concerts.
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Having been at both the Hampton and Columbia shows on this tour, the pre and post Raleigh dates, I also think its possible that Ed isn't interested in confrontation, OR he really thinks that pontificating about how insane the DJT campaign is borders on preaching to the choir. Theoretically.
I would hope that the earlier mentioned riot would be pretty small, and easily contained.
we will find a way, we will find our place
we will find a way, we will find our place
we will find a way, we will find our place
That's one thing he's doing for women's rights around te world.
Besides, how is this not a Pearl Jam endorsed political anti-DJT statement?
I will always admire how philanthropic Eddie and the rest of the band is. Way beyond what most other bands do in that context.