Night 2 was perfect BUT....

WhatYouTaughtMe

I know it's probably not a popular opinion around here, but I think Ed should have called out our sitting president a little more often. I guess he became star struck after meeting him. Imagine if a republican president won the Nobel peace prize and then proceeded to use drone strikes to kill people around the world. You bet your ass Ed would have flamed him in some half buzzed rant at a show.

ikiT

Ed looked and sounded like he was having too much fun in centerfield at Fenway Park to be caught up in the bullshit of Donald effing Trump.

Besides, how is this not a Pearl Jam endorsed political anti-DJT statement?

PJ_Soul

Merkin Baller said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

I just want male feminists to step up. We need them desperately. Eddie gave me hope. Too bad.

He's still does. Asking more of him now seems a bit greedy.

He does? When?

Two years straight playing at GCF.

That's one thing he's doing for women's rights around te world.

I guess. I was thinking more specific, like Alan Alda has attempted and like Eddie did in the 90s.

brianlux

Pretty cookie heart squares all around, yeah!

josevolution

Yeah you can bet your bottom $ Ed is very involved in humanitarian causes he covers the whole spectrum !

JS219630

The night was great and I'll remember it forever. Wish they played Red Mosquito on sunday but I'll hear it again somewhere. The energy during Cordouroy to Hail Hail was amazing. I too had to catch my breath and was seeing stars from singing... Loved the stories from Ed...a lot more talking then usually but it was great.

PJ_Soul

josevolution said:

Yeah you can bet your bottom $ Ed is very involved in humanitarian causes he covers the whole spectrum !

That isn't what I happen to be talking about Jose, but I am aware of Eddie's active charitable causes. They aren't secret.

josevolution

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

Yeah you can bet your bottom $ Ed is very involved in humanitarian causes he covers the whole spectrum !

That isn't what I happen to be talking about Jose, but I am aware of Eddie's active charitable causes. They aren't secret.

No I know , I get what your saying !

PJ_Soul

josevolution said:

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

Yeah you can bet your bottom $ Ed is very involved in humanitarian causes he covers the whole spectrum !

That isn't what I happen to be talking about Jose, but I am aware of Eddie's active charitable causes. They aren't secret.

No I know , I get what your saying !

I will always admire how philanthropic Eddie and the rest of the band is. Way beyond what most other bands do in that context.

mace1229

Asterisk on the Street said:

brianlux said:

For those of us who weren't there, photos, please!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcFAJMOOQNQ

Thanks, nice shot. Bootlegs have gotten so much better! I remember the days of trading tapes, asking what generation tape it was. Getting excited you found an early generation copy, only to find it was off some cheap tape recorder that sounded like there was a sock over it.

Degeneratefk

brianlux said:

Pretty cookie heart squares all around, yeah!

That was funny

brianlux

Degeneratefk said:

brianlux said:

Pretty cookie heart squares all around, yeah!

That was funny

It's my favorite PJ lyric!

ikiT

https://instagram.com/p/BI7hYKUDPae/embed/

HughFreakingDillon

"all that's sacred comes from youth". I think that, as you age and have a family, you tend to mellow out a bit. I know I have. And I still think he apologized not for what he said about Trump, but that he "soured the evening with his name".

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

"all that's sacred comes from youth". I think that, as you age and have a family, you tend to mellow out a bit. I know I have. And I still think he apologized not for what he said about Trump, but that he "soured the evening with his name".

I still think it was more an apology about stirring up any controversy or dissension during a show, not for putting a bad taste in people's mouths just by reminding people he exists.
I don't know the kid part - I'm sure you're right - but I don't think age has anything to do with it. Kids mellow people out, but it doesn't seem like people without kids mellow much in this context as they get older. At least I haven't noticed that. I know I'm not, lol. Kids don't always do it either though. Neil Young has kids and is over 70 and still fighting the good fight. So does Bernie Sanders and he's 74. So does Elizabeth Warren, she's I think 67 or something. So did John Lennon, not old, but certainly extremely driven and outspoken politically. and whole lot of other people who continue to be extremely outspoken about various issues. So yeah, I think it might just have more to do with the individuals personal decisions and sense of passion than it does having kids and getting older, not that people don't allow kids and age be a factor in that. I just don't consider it a given. For all we know, Eddie seems relatively mellow in these terms because he doesn't care care as much or has changed his views or is scared of controversy.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"all that's sacred comes from youth". I think that, as you age and have a family, you tend to mellow out a bit. I know I have. And I still think he apologized not for what he said about Trump, but that he "soured the evening with his name".

I still think it was more an apology about stirring up any controversy or dissension during a show, not for putting a bad taste in people's mouths just by reminding people he exists.
I don't know the kid part - I'm sure you're right - but I don't think age has anything to do with it. Kids mellow people out, but it doesn't seem like people without kids mellow much in this context as they get older. At least I haven't noticed that. I know I'm not, lol. Kids don't always do it either though. Neil Young has kids and is over 70 and still fighting the good fight. So does Bernie Sanders and he's 74. So does Elizabeth Warren, she's I think 67 or something. So did John Lennon, not old, but certainly extremely driven and outspoken politically. and whole lot of other people who continue to be extremely outspoken about various issues. So yeah, I think it might just have more to do with the individuals personal decisions and sense of passion than it does having kids and getting older, not that people don't allow kids and age be a factor in that. I just don't consider it a given. For all we know, Eddie seems relatively mellow in these terms because he doesn't care care as much or has changed his views or is scared of controversy.

maybe "mellowing out" is the wrong term. I think acting out of knowledge and objectivity rather than raw anger is more what I mean. Sure, Ed used to ramble incessantly at shows about the environment, human rights, animal rights, women's rights, etc. Maybe he has realized he needs to pick his spots more carefully so as to make a better impact? I mean, how many people at those shows listened to all of his politicizing? He would tackle 4 or 5 or more issues per show, sometimes in the same ramble. It's exhausting. And I also think it depends on his mood of the day. He used to act like a an angry curmudgeon at the best of times. Now he seems happy at shows. Not seething like he used to. So I'm sure that plays a factor. Why bring the mood down when he's jumping around like Pete Townshend? Especially when they are playing fewer shows now. I think it was easier to fit that stuff in on a full tour.

Maybe he's realized that sometimes positive energy (playing benefits) is better for tackling these issues rather than ranting and raving?

PJ_Soul

Okay, but just to be reiterate, because I think most are misunderstanding what I'm saying, I'm not talking about incessant ramblings on stage (though I have never ever found him incessant to be honest. One 2 or 3 minute-long passionate speech during a show is hardly incessant rambling, let's be fair here). I'm talking about pointed efforts and statements and actions like he used to do. Serious discussion, usually off-stage or specifically themed for onstage, not to mention his actual music, which has really dropped off. I'm not talking about just raw anger and ranting on stage (to me that was just a symptom that he happened to have from having a strong voice, and angry, rude Eddie never much appealed to me). I am 100% behind positive energy or at least useful energy for such causes. Eddie used to have plenty of that, and that kind of voice is what I miss about him. Silly angst was never my thing and has no place in serious discussion about such things.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Okay, but just to be reiterate, because I think most are misunderstanding what I'm saying, I'm not talking about incessant ramblings on stage (though I have never ever found him incessant to be honest. One 2 or 3 minute-long passionate speech during a show is hardly incessant rambling, let's be fair here). I'm talking about pointed efforts and statements and actions like he used to do. Serious discussion, usually off-stage or specifically themed for onstage, not to mention his actual music, which has really dropped off. I'm not talking about just raw anger and ranting on stage (to me that was just a symptom that he happened to have from having a strong voice, and angry, rude Eddie never much appealed to me). I am 100% behind positive energy or at least useful energy for such causes. Eddie used to have plenty of that, and that kind of voice is what I miss about him. Silly angst was never my thing and has no place in serious discussion about such things.

ok, gotcha. yes, no question his music has gotten decidedly less political. save for Mind Your Manners.

Degeneratefk

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"all that's sacred comes from youth". I think that, as you age and have a family, you tend to mellow out a bit. I know I have. And I still think he apologized not for what he said about Trump, but that he "soured the evening with his name".

I still think it was more an apology about stirring up any controversy or dissension during a show, not for putting a bad taste in people's mouths just by reminding people he exists.
I don't know the kid part - I'm sure you're right - but I don't think age has anything to do with it. Kids mellow people out, but it doesn't seem like people without kids mellow much in this context as they get older. At least I haven't noticed that. I know I'm not, lol. Kids don't always do it either though. Neil Young has kids and is over 70 and still fighting the good fight. So does Bernie Sanders and he's 74. So does Elizabeth Warren, she's I think 67 or something. So did John Lennon, not old, but certainly extremely driven and outspoken politically. and whole lot of other people who continue to be extremely outspoken about various issues. So yeah, I think it might just have more to do with the individuals personal decisions and sense of passion than it does having kids and getting older, not that people don't allow kids and age be a factor in that. I just don't consider it a given. For all we know, Eddie seems relatively mellow in these terms because he doesn't care care as much or has changed his views or is scared of controversy.

Wow, 25 years of "fighting the good fight" isn't enough for some.

PJ_Soul

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"all that's sacred comes from youth". I think that, as you age and have a family, you tend to mellow out a bit. I know I have. And I still think he apologized not for what he said about Trump, but that he "soured the evening with his name".

I still think it was more an apology about stirring up any controversy or dissension during a show, not for putting a bad taste in people's mouths just by reminding people he exists.
I don't know the kid part - I'm sure you're right - but I don't think age has anything to do with it. Kids mellow people out, but it doesn't seem like people without kids mellow much in this context as they get older. At least I haven't noticed that. I know I'm not, lol. Kids don't always do it either though. Neil Young has kids and is over 70 and still fighting the good fight. So does Bernie Sanders and he's 74. So does Elizabeth Warren, she's I think 67 or something. So did John Lennon, not old, but certainly extremely driven and outspoken politically. and whole lot of other people who continue to be extremely outspoken about various issues. So yeah, I think it might just have more to do with the individuals personal decisions and sense of passion than it does having kids and getting older, not that people don't allow kids and age be a factor in that. I just don't consider it a given. For all we know, Eddie seems relatively mellow in these terms because he doesn't care care as much or has changed his views or is scared of controversy.

Wow, 25 years of "fighting the good fight" isn't enough for some.

Oh please. That's a more appropriate comment for that cesspool Facebook group.