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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I really don't see how this latest speech debacle would make Trump a bad POTUS.
    What is so bad about a future first lady emulating a former first ladies' words?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    If she had referenced Michelle Obama, then no problem. But she claimed the words and sentiments as her own (quite specifically. She claimed that she wrote most of the speech herself.... which is likely a lie anyhow). So her first real attempt to reach out to the people is done through theft and a lie. Even just symbolically, that is a fucking bad start, lol. And to make matters worse, it's the sitting Democratic First Lady (or her 2008 speech writers, presumably - we don't actually know for sure who wrote the words originally) who she stole from. That isn't so great for someone who wants to be the Republican First Lady, haha. Finally.... that woman is just full of shit. She doesn't fucking care about Americans at all. I think this is just obvious. She's just some gold digging lady who wants to be the First Lady because it makes her special. That's it. I don't believe for one single second that Mrs. Trump cares about anyone other than herself. That her speech had to come from a better woman who obviously really does care only highlights that Mrs. Trump does not and can't even pretend to very well.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    This still does not/will not make Trump a bad POTUS.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I really don't see how this latest speech debacle would make Trump a bad POTUS.
    What is so bad about a future first lady emulating a former first ladies' words?
    image

    There is an utter incompetence to the whole campaign. Can't even get the most important speech of the night correct.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,554
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    This still does not/will not make Trump a bad POTUS.

    True. His personality, ignorance, lack of experience, and belief system will.

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    This still does not/will not make Trump a bad POTUS.

    True. His personality, ignorance, lack of experience, and belief system will.

    Yes. All points that Trump protesters use.
    The speech thing can't be added to this list.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I really don't see how this latest speech debacle would make Trump a bad POTUS.
    What is so bad about a future first lady emulating a former first ladies' words?
    image

    It means Trump obviously can't build a good team around him. That is the problem I see. If they can't even write a speech from scratch for Mrs. Trump then how can we trust him to put together a team to run the White House? Trump can't micromanage the White House.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,554
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    This still does not/will not make Trump a bad POTUS.

    True. His personality, ignorance, lack of experience, and belief system will.

    Yes. All points that Trump protesters use.
    The speech thing can't be added to this list.
    Sorry, looks like it's been added to the list.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited July 2016
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    This still does not/will not make Trump a bad POTUS.
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    That's not the point. It makes her a bad candidate as First Lady. She represents him. That's the problem (or not a problem for those who hate Trump, lol. For us this is pretty awesome).
    (there are already more than enough things proving that Trump will make a bad POTUS)
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    This still does not/will not make Trump a bad POTUS.
    image

    That's not the point. It makes her a bad candidate as First Lady.
    (there are already more than enough things proving that Trump will make a bad POTUS)
    It is the point.
    It may make her a bad candidate to some but it is being portrayed all over the media as yet another reason why Trump will never win and oh my god this is terrible and oh my god it's the end of the world she gave a bad speech.
    She emulated a few words big deal.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    :lol: She didn't emulate. She plagiarized. There is a significant difference. And yes, it IS another reason why Trump shouldn't win. No one wants an insincere lying phony as the First Lady. It's another reason not to vote for Trump.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,185
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    This still does not/will not make Trump a bad POTUS.
    image

    That's not the point. It makes her a bad candidate as First Lady.
    (there are already more than enough things proving that Trump will make a bad POTUS)
    It is the point.
    It may make her a bad candidate to some but it is being portrayed all over the media as yet another reason why Trump will never win and oh my god this is terrible and oh my god it's the end of the world she gave a bad speech.
    She emulated a few words big deal.
    image
    Not just a few words...plagiarism.

    I don't blame Melania. Not her fault at all. It's just another example of how fucked up and disorganized Drumpf's campaign is.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    PJ_Soul said:

    :lol: She didn't emulate. She plagiarized. There is a significant difference. And yes, it IS another reason why Trump shouldn't win. No one wants an insincere lying phony as the First Lady. It's another reason not to vote for Trump.

    or POTUS as well!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited July 2016
    Gern Blansten said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    This still does not/will not make Trump a bad POTUS.
    image

    That's not the point. It makes her a bad candidate as First Lady.
    (there are already more than enough things proving that Trump will make a bad POTUS)
    It is the point.
    It may make her a bad candidate to some but it is being portrayed all over the media as yet another reason why Trump will never win and oh my god this is terrible and oh my god it's the end of the world she gave a bad speech.
    She emulated a few words big deal.
    image
    Not just a few words...plagiarism.

    I don't blame Melania. Not her fault at all. It's just another example of how fucked up and disorganized Drumpf's campaign is.
    It's her fault that she said she wrote most of the speech herself though, which was clearly a lie that backfired on her. It's also her fault that she doesn't mean a fucking word of that speech, nor any of the sentiments within it. She has never given us a single reason to think she gives a shit about any of what was said in that speech. I think she is WAY out of her depth.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Y'all do realize Obama flat out stole word-for-word quotes from other candidates as well right?
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Shawshank said:

    Y'all do realize Obama flat out stole word-for-word quotes from other candidates as well right?

    Yes. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    BS44325 said:


    Yes. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

    100% agree. Just didn't want anyone under the misconception that this is the first time a speech writer has borrowed from another speech writer. Which is really all this bullshit is. No one really gives their own speeches anymore, which is mind boggling to me.

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I'm surprised Trumps' people haven't dug this up yet.
    Please turn your attention to these two links
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-19/did-michelle-obama-also-borrow-her-2008-speech

    “...is based upon the application of certain basic truths: that integrity is all important, that your word is your bond, that if you owe a person money you pay him back, that you work hard, enjoy what you do and show a loyalty to those with whom you work and do business. He instilled in me simple, clear cut values and a will to succeed"

    and
    Michelle Obamas paragraph plagiarized a paragraph from pg91 of this book.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Shawshank said:

    BS44325 said:


    Yes. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

    100% agree. Just didn't want anyone under the misconception that this is the first time a speech writer has borrowed from another speech writer. Which is really all this bullshit is. No one really gives their own speeches anymore, which is mind boggling to me.

    Yes. The Clinton's were all over Obama for the same in 2008 but the Obama fans all looked past it.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/news-desk/2008/02/19/clinton-aides-push-plagiarism-charge?src=usn_tw

    It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    PJ_Soul said:

    I never minded being Rick-rolled because I happen to like that song a fair bit, lol. It's catchy as hell. I always happily just sat there and listened until it was over. :tongue:

    I like it but for childhood nostalgia reasons like most cheesy 80s songs.
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