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mattsl1983

rgambs said:

mattsl1983 said:

No, enlighten me on why we should bash everything the GOP does. Exactly. You don't know why. You are about to google some things, but your immediate reaction has no value. Go to the Hillary page, where you none thinkers belong!

I don't need Google to show me how inept this campaign is, and how scary the scapegoating of minorities and immigrants is becoming.

How so? And aside from that, only one of the candidates is currently under federal investigation. why would I want to support someone in that situation? It's dumb. How hard is it not to go under federal investigation? Seriously??? That's your racehorse??

Cliffy6745

mattsl1983 said:

Why even spend your time to argue here? Like seriously, is it that maybe the ideologies that you've bought into haven't been working, and instead of admitting that maybe it's time for a different aproach, you staunchly hold on and justify your existence by confronting people that disagree with you? Like seriously??? Why are you even on this page??? Get over yourself!

The last 8 years have been pretty pretty phenomenal for me...

mattsl1983

Cliffy6745 said:

mattsl1983 said:

Why even spend your time to argue here? Like seriously, is it that maybe the ideologies that you've bought into haven't been working, and instead of admitting that maybe it's time for a different aproach, you staunchly hold on and justify your existence by confronting people that disagree with you? Like seriously??? Why are you even on this page??? Get over yourself!

The last 8 years have been pretty pretty phenomenal for me...

How so? Let's be honest. Your economic situation before, after? Please, I'm seriously looking to hear from those that have benefited, and how so?

mattsl1983

I'll be the ice breaker, I paid 52k in taxes last year. Not including property tax.

Cliffy6745

mattsl1983 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mattsl1983 said:

Why even spend your time to argue here? Like seriously, is it that maybe the ideologies that you've bought into haven't been working, and instead of admitting that maybe it's time for a different aproach, you staunchly hold on and justify your existence by confronting people that disagree with you? Like seriously??? Why are you even on this page??? Get over yourself!

The last 8 years have been pretty pretty phenomenal for me...

How so? Let's be honest. Your economic situation before, after? Please, I'm seriously looking to hear from those that have benefited, and how so?

While much of it has to do with simple career progression, my income has increased by well over 100% since 2008. Largely stagnant from 2008-2010. Much bigger jumps in the last 6 years. Taxes have remained relatively consistent, though I am on the verge of jumping up (which I am perfectly fine with).

mattsl1983

Cliffy6745 said:

mattsl1983 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mattsl1983 said:

Why even spend your time to argue here? Like seriously, is it that maybe the ideologies that you've bought into haven't been working, and instead of admitting that maybe it's time for a different aproach, you staunchly hold on and justify your existence by confronting people that disagree with you? Like seriously??? Why are you even on this page??? Get over yourself!

The last 8 years have been pretty pretty phenomenal for me...

How so? Let's be honest. Your economic situation before, after? Please, I'm seriously looking to hear from those that have benefited, and how so?

While much of it has to do with simple career progression, my income has increased by well over 100% since 2008. Largely stagnant from 2008-2010. Much bigger jumps in the last 6 years. Taxes have remained relatively consistent, though I am on the verge of jumping up (which I am perfectly fine with).

So again, please elaborate how your growth has been phenomenal over the past eight years?

Cliffy6745

mattsl1983 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mattsl1983 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mattsl1983 said:

Why even spend your time to argue here? Like seriously, is it that maybe the ideologies that you've bought into haven't been working, and instead of admitting that maybe it's time for a different aproach, you staunchly hold on and justify your existence by confronting people that disagree with you? Like seriously??? Why are you even on this page??? Get over yourself!

The last 8 years have been pretty pretty phenomenal for me...

How so? Let's be honest. Your economic situation before, after? Please, I'm seriously looking to hear from those that have benefited, and how so?

While much of it has to do with simple career progression, my income has increased by well over 100% since 2008. Largely stagnant from 2008-2010. Much bigger jumps in the last 6 years. Taxes have remained relatively consistent, though I am on the verge of jumping up (which I am perfectly fine with).

So again, please elaborate how your growth has been phenomenal over the past eight years?

Income increasing by well over 100% over an 8 year period is not a good thing?

mattsl1983

Let us know how you are prospering? Is it raise in minimum wage? Is it cut tax's, what is it? What's your secret??

Cliffy6745

Listen, I get why a lot of old white folks in the middle of the country are angry and feel like America is passing them by. Quite frankly, it is. America is never going to be "great" again in the sense they are talking about. We are never going to have coal, oil and manufacturing jobs like we once did. Trump is not going to bring us back there. Paul Ryan is not going to bring us back there. No one is. That time is over. We live in a significantly different world and unless we want the cost of our goods to triple, we can't expect this country to build things like we once did.

The next generation of skilled works are going to be in infrastructure, healthcare, clean energy, and manufacturing in advanced technology that can't be outsourced.

It can't be an easy time for these folks, I get it, but things aren't going back to the way they were.

mattsl1983

Cliffy6745 said:

Listen, I get why a lot of old white folks in the middle of the country are angry and feel like America is passing them by. Quite frankly, it is. America is never going to be "great" again in the sense they are talking about. We are never going to have coal, oil and manufacturing jobs like we once did. Trump is not going to bring us back there. Paul Ryan is not going to bring us back there. No one is. That time is over. We live in a significantly different world and unless we want the cost of our goods to triple, we can't expect this country to build things like we once did.

The next generation of skilled works are going to be in infrastructure, healthcare, clean energy, and manufacturing in advanced technology that can't be outsourced.

It can't be an easy time for these folks, I get it, but things aren't going back to the way they were.

What?? Seriously what?? Again you didn't answer my question to your bold statement, but what are you talking about? Are you educated? Do you know how the economy works? What??

Degeneratefk

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Calm down skippy Nobody is caught up on the plagiarism. It happened, they got caught. It will not determine the outcome of the election. It's just another example of trumps inexperience and shows how inept he would be as preisident.

As opposed to voting for someone who had been under federal investigation? I'd rather go with suspected speach plagiarism, at least that doesn't land a federal investigation, skippy

You mean the 8 committees that found Clinton wasn't at fault for benghazi? Or the horrific email scandal that just ended? Keep trying.

Degeneratefk

mattsl1983 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mattsl1983 said:

Why even spend your time to argue here? Like seriously, is it that maybe the ideologies that you've bought into haven't been working, and instead of admitting that maybe it's time for a different aproach, you staunchly hold on and justify your existence by confronting people that disagree with you? Like seriously??? Why are you even on this page??? Get over yourself!

The last 8 years have been pretty pretty phenomenal for me...

How so? Let's be honest. Your economic situation before, after? Please, I'm seriously looking to hear from those that have benefited, and how so?

I was making $16/hour in 2007. Now, I am almost doubled that. So yea, the last 8 years have been good for me too. And guess what, im in the dreaded coal burning industry.

mattsl1983

Degeneratefk said:

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Calm down skippy Nobody is caught up on the plagiarism. It happened, they got caught. It will not determine the outcome of the election. It's just another example of trumps inexperience and shows how inept he would be as preisident.

As opposed to voting for someone who had been under federal investigation? I'd rather go with suspected speach plagiarism, at least that doesn't land a federal investigation, skippy

You mean the 8 committees that found Clinton wasn't at fault for benghazi? Or the horrific email scandal that just ended? Keep trying.

The fact that she's been under federal investigation? Oj Simpson was found innocent, so unless you believe that, don't pretend Hilary is spotless. But the bigger thing to me, Is how? How do you end up being so terrible at being Secretary of State you get investigated for multiple things??? Are that fucking blind??? Seriously!!??? do you even know what's going on or do you spend all your time just hating the GOP??

Degeneratefk

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Calm down skippy Nobody is caught up on the plagiarism. It happened, they got caught. It will not determine the outcome of the election. It's just another example of trumps inexperience and shows how inept he would be as preisident.

As opposed to voting for someone who had been under federal investigation? I'd rather go with suspected speach plagiarism, at least that doesn't land a federal investigation, skippy

You mean the 8 committees that found Clinton wasn't at fault for benghazi? Or the horrific email scandal that just ended? Keep trying.

The fact that she's been under federal investigation? Oj Simpson was found innocent, so unless you believe that, don't pretend Hilary is spotless. But the bigger thing to me, Is how? How do you end up being so terrible at being Secretary of State you get investigated for multiple things??? Are that fucking blind??? Seriously!!??? do you even know what's going on or do you spend all your time just hating the GOP??

Did you really just compare a double homicide to end email server? Keep trying.

mattsl1983

Degeneratefk said:

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Calm down skippy Nobody is caught up on the plagiarism. It happened, they got caught. It will not determine the outcome of the election. It's just another example of trumps inexperience and shows how inept he would be as preisident.

As opposed to voting for someone who had been under federal investigation? I'd rather go with suspected speach plagiarism, at least that doesn't land a federal investigation, skippy

You mean the 8 committees that found Clinton wasn't at fault for benghazi? Or the horrific email scandal that just ended? Keep trying.

The fact that she's been under federal investigation? Oj Simpson was found innocent, so unless you believe that, don't pretend Hilary is spotless. But the bigger thing to me, Is how? How do you end up being so terrible at being Secretary of State you get investigated for multiple things??? Are that fucking blind??? Seriously!!??? do you even know what's going on or do you spend all your time just hating the GOP??

Did you really just compare a double homicide to end email server? Keep trying.

Nope, I compared justice system and money. You keep on trying

Gern Blansten

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Calm down skippy Nobody is caught up on the plagiarism. It happened, they got caught. It will not determine the outcome of the election. It's just another example of trumps inexperience and shows how inept he would be as preisident.

As opposed to voting for someone who had been under federal investigation? I'd rather go with suspected speach plagiarism, at least that doesn't land a federal investigation, skippy

You mean the 8 committees that found Clinton wasn't at fault for benghazi? Or the horrific email scandal that just ended? Keep trying.

The fact that she's been under federal investigation? Oj Simpson was found innocent, so unless you believe that, don't pretend Hilary is spotless. But the bigger thing to me, Is how? How do you end up being so terrible at being Secretary of State you get investigated for multiple things??? Are that fucking blind??? Seriously!!??? do you even know what's going on or do you spend all your time just hating the GOP??

yeah "under federal investigation" brought on by a bunch of republicans with conspiracy boners where the FBI found no evidence that a reasonable prosecutor would pursue.

Are you really still hanging onto that?

Cliffy6745

mattsl1983 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Listen, I get why a lot of old white folks in the middle of the country are angry and feel like America is passing them by. Quite frankly, it is. America is never going to be "great" again in the sense they are talking about. We are never going to have coal, oil and manufacturing jobs like we once did. Trump is not going to bring us back there. Paul Ryan is not going to bring us back there. No one is. That time is over. We live in a significantly different world and unless we want the cost of our goods to triple, we can't expect this country to build things like we once did.

The next generation of skilled works are going to be in infrastructure, healthcare, clean energy, and manufacturing in advanced technology that can't be outsourced.

It can't be an easy time for these folks, I get it, but things aren't going back to the way they were.

What?? Seriously what?? Again you didn't answer my question to your bold statement, but what are you talking about? Are you educated? Do you know how the economy works? What??

I am educated. College degree with some MBA work under my belt (probably not going to finish. Return isn't worth it). I work in a position in a rapidly growing industry that intersects technology and healthcare.

I am very aware of how the economy works. I am also aware that these folks who are so angry are also very happy with the prices at Walmart (that is not a shot at anyone). You can't have it both ways. Supply and demand...

What is so confusing about what I wrote?

mattsl1983

Cliffy6745 said:

mattsl1983 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Listen, I get why a lot of old white folks in the middle of the country are angry and feel like America is passing them by. Quite frankly, it is. America is never going to be "great" again in the sense they are talking about. We are never going to have coal, oil and manufacturing jobs like we once did. Trump is not going to bring us back there. Paul Ryan is not going to bring us back there. No one is. That time is over. We live in a significantly different world and unless we want the cost of our goods to triple, we can't expect this country to build things like we once did.

The next generation of skilled works are going to be in infrastructure, healthcare, clean energy, and manufacturing in advanced technology that can't be outsourced.

It can't be an easy time for these folks, I get it, but things aren't going back to the way they were.

What?? Seriously what?? Again you didn't answer my question to your bold statement, but what are you talking about? Are you educated? Do you know how the economy works? What??

I am educated. College degree with some MBA work under my belt (probably not going to finish. Return isn't worth it). I work in a position in a rapidly growing industry that intersects technology and healthcare.

I am very aware of how the economy works. I am also aware that these folks who are so angry are also very happy with the prices at Walmart (that is not a shot at anyone). You can't have it both ways. Supply and demand...

What is so confusing about what I wrote?

You haven't stated at all how you've benefited, your response is completely vague, so yes, again. You said your life has been better ect ect, (not going to go back and exactly quote you, but will if it gets to that) and I've asked how. I'll just take your word for it

mattsl1983

Gern Blansten said:

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

mattsl1983 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Calm down skippy Nobody is caught up on the plagiarism. It happened, they got caught. It will not determine the outcome of the election. It's just another example of trumps inexperience and shows how inept he would be as preisident.

As opposed to voting for someone who had been under federal investigation? I'd rather go with suspected speach plagiarism, at least that doesn't land a federal investigation, skippy

You mean the 8 committees that found Clinton wasn't at fault for benghazi? Or the horrific email scandal that just ended? Keep trying.

The fact that she's been under federal investigation? Oj Simpson was found innocent, so unless you believe that, don't pretend Hilary is spotless. But the bigger thing to me, Is how? How do you end up being so terrible at being Secretary of State you get investigated for multiple things??? Are that fucking blind??? Seriously!!??? do you even know what's going on or do you spend all your time just hating the GOP??

yeah "under federal investigation" brought on by a bunch of republicans with conspiracy boners where the FBI found no evidence that a reasonable prosecutor would pursue.

Are you really still hanging onto that?

Really?? If you are seriously that blind, keep on rocking in the free world!!

Gern Blansten

I'm with Cliffy...the last 4-5 years my business revenue has increased 15-20% per year which goes right in my pocket. I'm a CPA...when my revenue increases that generally means the economy is increasing because new people are starting their own businesses, etc.

At the same time my far right wing brother/sister-in-law (who I argued with 5 years ago that a second Obama term wouldn't be a major disaster) have seen their household income triple. Sister in law got a sales job where her income has steadily increased...BIL went from chronically unemployed to actually looking for a different job because he's WORKING TOO MUCH.

Of course...as anywhere...some of this relates to where we live.