Hillary won more votes for President
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Well now, this is quite the entertaining thread today!
So as someone who has been a strong support of you-know-who (apparently we're not allowed to mention that name on the HILLARY THREAD), here's my challenge to you HRC supporters: Convince me there's a good reason to vote for her. While doing so, however, consider this:
To my way of thinking it makes no sense to openly support someone who broke major government protocol with her basement servers etc. (and no, I don't care that they let her off the hook, we all know she's guilty) nor do I see how I could be convinced to vote for big money UNLESS it really appears that Trump has a chance of winning (I still say, no way!). And yes, I would prefer Hillary over Trump... by a hair- a very fine baby thin hair.
So instead my current choice is you-know(J)-who(S). So why, you might ask, would I vote for someone (I won't mention her Green name because that's probably not allowed here on the HILLARY THREAD) who has no chance of winning?
Well, simply for two reasons: 1) I think she is the best candidate and 2) because even if Hillary does (probably) win, I surely don't want her to win by the biggest landslide in history. No way! She doesn't serve the job in the first place and she sure as hell doesn't deserve to set any landslide voting records.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.0 -
Brian - no one can convince you to vote for someone who you are not inclined to vote for. The arguments in my mind, are against Jill Stein and they have to do with her lack of leadership experience, government experience (like Trump) and finally the reality of the situation for her. She isn't going to win, so she can only enable Trump. She could be, however, a very good Surgeon General. I think her experience leads her to that path, not Commander-in Chief.
I do have a question for you though. I asked Free this a few times but he refuses to engage me. I know this because he sent me a series of PMs telling me that over and over. However, my question is...
He claims that Bernie supporters have been mistreated by Hillary Clinton. As a Bernie supporter, can you tell me how HRC has treated them poorly? I just don't see any evidence of it. In fact, in light of her moving left on a series of issues (much to my dismay), I think it is quite the opposite.
Can you expand on that mind set?
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Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Then why the fuck did you ask the question? Just so you AGAIN could tell us we're wrong and pull out your patronizing, condescending crap about how you really are just trying to save us all from ourselves?brianlux said:
Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race.
I can't believe I even fell for the idea that you are genuinely interested in reasons people are voting for her. I can't believe I didn't predict you would again resort to the "lying, power-hungry Hillary" meme. I'm so disappointed. And I'm done in this thread if nobody wants to talk policy. I'm going to hang out in the "Do Aliens Exist" thread for awhile.0 -
I'm sorry Brian.. but which election did Hillary win where she told us a bunch of stuff and didn't deliver? Are you upset with her tenure as NY Senator? Her time as Sec'y of State is serving at the pleasure of the POTUS. She doesn't make policy. So I'm not sure where you are pulling this out of?brianlux said:
Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race.
Is Jill Stein's track record in her time in office more suited for you? Do you like the changes she implemented? Does her history of getting things done at a national and international level resonate with you?0 -
Who the fuck even is Jill Stein? She's run for president, like a gazillion times, and I don't even know what the hell she looks like.0
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Whoa! First of all, the only question I asked here today was "So why, you might ask, would I vote for someone (I won't mention her Green name because that's probably not allowed here on the HILLARY THREAD) who has no chance of winning? " which doesn't have anything do do with your little rant here.what dreams said:
Then why the fuck did you ask the question? Just so you AGAIN could tell us we're wrong and pull out your patronizing, condescending crap about how you really are just trying to save us all from ourselves?brianlux said:
Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race.
I can't believe I even fell for the idea that you are genuinely interested in reasons people are voting for her. I can't believe I didn't predict you would again resort to the "lying, power-hungry Hillary" meme. I'm so disappointed. And I'm done in this thread if nobody wants to talk policy. I'm going to hang out in the "Do Aliens Exist" thread for awhile.
And secondly, why the vitriol? What the hell did I say to set you off like a grenade in a flower shop? Man, really, I'm not here to cut anyone's balls or ovaries off.
Thirdly, no, I didn't ask for reasons why anyone here is voting for Hillary. I challenged you who are HRC fans to give me good reasons why I should vote for her. All I got so far was some cut-and-paste article listing some generic but hollow sounding campaign promises. It's easy to post where she has said, "I will do this or that for you!" but not so easy to illustrate what she has done. Maybe that's what frustrates you. If so, take it out on a punching bag. I'm not the enemy."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Moot points. Jill Stein is on a different track. The old course has worn through to the gravel.mrussel1 said:
I'm sorry Brian.. but which election did Hillary win where she told us a bunch of stuff and didn't deliver? Are you upset with her tenure as NY Senator? Her time as Sec'y of State is serving at the pleasure of the POTUS. She doesn't make policy. So I'm not sure where you are pulling this out of?brianlux said:
Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race.
Is Jill Stein's track record in her time in office more suited for you? Do you like the changes she implemented? Does her history of getting things done at a national and international level resonate with you?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Go back to the part where you said, "Convince me of a good reason to vote for HRC."brianlux said:
Whoa! First of all, the only question I asked here today was "So why, you might ask, would I vote for someone (I won't mention her Green name because that's probably not allowed here on the HILLARY THREAD) who has no chance of winning? " which doesn't have anything do do with your little rant here.what dreams said:
Then why the fuck did you ask the question? Just so you AGAIN could tell us we're wrong and pull out your patronizing, condescending crap about how you really are just trying to save us all from ourselves?brianlux said:
Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race.
I can't believe I even fell for the idea that you are genuinely interested in reasons people are voting for her. I can't believe I didn't predict you would again resort to the "lying, power-hungry Hillary" meme. I'm so disappointed. And I'm done in this thread if nobody wants to talk policy. I'm going to hang out in the "Do Aliens Exist" thread for awhile.
And secondly, why the vitriol? What the hell did I say to set you off like a grenade in a flower shop? Man, really, I'm not here to cut anyone's balls or ovaries off.
Thirdly, no, I didn't ask for reasons why anyone here is voting for Hillary. I challenged you who are HRC fans to give me good reasons why I should vote for her. All I got so far was some cut-and-paste article listing some generic but hollow sounding campaign promises. It's easy to post where she has said, "I will do this or that for you!" but not so easy to illustrate what she has done. Maybe that's what frustrates you. If so, take it out on a punching bag. I'm not the enemy.
I apologize for believing you were sincere. I see now that you are not.0 -
You certainly have the right to believe that but all I can say is, words are 7% of communication. If you saw my body language, facial expression and tone of voice (the other 93%), you would not be angry with me.what dreams said:
Go back to the part where you said, "Convince me of a good reason to vote for HRC."brianlux said:
Whoa! First of all, the only question I asked here today was "So why, you might ask, would I vote for someone (I won't mention her Green name because that's probably not allowed here on the HILLARY THREAD) who has no chance of winning? " which doesn't have anything do do with your little rant here.what dreams said:
Then why the fuck did you ask the question? Just so you AGAIN could tell us we're wrong and pull out your patronizing, condescending crap about how you really are just trying to save us all from ourselves?brianlux said:
Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race.
I can't believe I even fell for the idea that you are genuinely interested in reasons people are voting for her. I can't believe I didn't predict you would again resort to the "lying, power-hungry Hillary" meme. I'm so disappointed. And I'm done in this thread if nobody wants to talk policy. I'm going to hang out in the "Do Aliens Exist" thread for awhile.
And secondly, why the vitriol? What the hell did I say to set you off like a grenade in a flower shop? Man, really, I'm not here to cut anyone's balls or ovaries off.
Thirdly, no, I didn't ask for reasons why anyone here is voting for Hillary. I challenged you who are HRC fans to give me good reasons why I should vote for her. All I got so far was some cut-and-paste article listing some generic but hollow sounding campaign promises. It's easy to post where she has said, "I will do this or that for you!" but not so easy to illustrate what she has done. Maybe that's what frustrates you. If so, take it out on a punching bag. I'm not the enemy.
I apologize for believing you were sincere. I see now that you are not.
I'm out of here for now. Don't stay mad. It's bad for ya."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I'm not mad. I just realized I should find out what Jill Stein looks like -- haha. Without that, i wouldn't have learned she was appointed chairperson of the recycling committee in her small MA town. That's her grand accomplishment in elected office. Let me run out and vote for her. Hahahabrianlux said:
You certainly have the right to believe that but all I can say is, words are 7% of communication. If you saw my body language, facial expression and tone of voice (the other 93%), you would not be angry with me.what dreams said:
Go back to the part where you said, "Convince me of a good reason to vote for HRC."brianlux said:
Whoa! First of all, the only question I asked here today was "So why, you might ask, would I vote for someone (I won't mention her Green name because that's probably not allowed here on the HILLARY THREAD) who has no chance of winning? " which doesn't have anything do do with your little rant here.what dreams said:
Then why the fuck did you ask the question? Just so you AGAIN could tell us we're wrong and pull out your patronizing, condescending crap about how you really are just trying to save us all from ourselves?brianlux said:
Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race.
I can't believe I even fell for the idea that you are genuinely interested in reasons people are voting for her. I can't believe I didn't predict you would again resort to the "lying, power-hungry Hillary" meme. I'm so disappointed. And I'm done in this thread if nobody wants to talk policy. I'm going to hang out in the "Do Aliens Exist" thread for awhile.
And secondly, why the vitriol? What the hell did I say to set you off like a grenade in a flower shop? Man, really, I'm not here to cut anyone's balls or ovaries off.
Thirdly, no, I didn't ask for reasons why anyone here is voting for Hillary. I challenged you who are HRC fans to give me good reasons why I should vote for her. All I got so far was some cut-and-paste article listing some generic but hollow sounding campaign promises. It's easy to post where she has said, "I will do this or that for you!" but not so easy to illustrate what she has done. Maybe that's what frustrates you. If so, take it out on a punching bag. I'm not the enemy.
I apologize for believing you were sincere. I see now that you are not.
I'm out of here for now. Don't stay mad. It's bad for ya.0 -
It looks like Trump has added Peter Thiel and Eileen Collins to the list.mrussel1 said:
Yes... alas both parties can't have intellectual powerhouses like Trump, Bobby Knight and Tim Tebow. The Democrats will have to settle...BS44325 said:
In an election year where people want change from a "get out the vote" perspective that is a down right dangerous list of speakers.Cliffy6745 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/07/15/the-first-female-space-shuttle-commander-will-speak-at-the-gop-convention-huh/
http://heatst.com/politics/gay-billionaire-peter-thiel-convention/
Now you tell me which set of speakers will be more inspiring.0 -
not the two you just mentionedBS44325 said:
It looks like Trump has added Peter Thiel and Eileen Collins to the list.mrussel1 said:
Yes... alas both parties can't have intellectual powerhouses like Trump, Bobby Knight and Tim Tebow. The Democrats will have to settle...BS44325 said:
In an election year where people want change from a "get out the vote" perspective that is a down right dangerous list of speakers.Cliffy6745 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/07/15/the-first-female-space-shuttle-commander-will-speak-at-the-gop-convention-huh/
http://heatst.com/politics/gay-billionaire-peter-thiel-convention/
Now you tell me which set of speakers will be more inspiring.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Ha. You would rather a lecture from Chelsea. Amazing.gimmesometruth27 said:
not the two you just mentionedBS44325 said:
It looks like Trump has added Peter Thiel and Eileen Collins to the list.mrussel1 said:
Yes... alas both parties can't have intellectual powerhouses like Trump, Bobby Knight and Tim Tebow. The Democrats will have to settle...BS44325 said:
In an election year where people want change from a "get out the vote" perspective that is a down right dangerous list of speakers.Cliffy6745 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/07/15/the-first-female-space-shuttle-commander-will-speak-at-the-gop-convention-huh/
http://heatst.com/politics/gay-billionaire-peter-thiel-convention/
Now you tell me which set of speakers will be more inspiring.0 -
she is giving a campaign speech for her mom. the same things that trumps kids are doing. it is far from a lecture.BS44325 said:
Ha. You would rather a lecture from Chelsea. Amazing.gimmesometruth27 said:
not the two you just mentionedBS44325 said:
It looks like Trump has added Peter Thiel and Eileen Collins to the list.mrussel1 said:
Yes... alas both parties can't have intellectual powerhouses like Trump, Bobby Knight and Tim Tebow. The Democrats will have to settle...BS44325 said:
In an election year where people want change from a "get out the vote" perspective that is a down right dangerous list of speakers.Cliffy6745 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/07/15/the-first-female-space-shuttle-commander-will-speak-at-the-gop-convention-huh/
http://heatst.com/politics/gay-billionaire-peter-thiel-convention/
Now you tell me which set of speakers will be more inspiring."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
And up until last year Chelsea and the Trump kids were all receiving paychecks from NBC. Imagine that.gimmesometruth27 said:
she is giving a campaign speech for her mom. the same things that trumps kids are doing. it is far from a lecture.BS44325 said:
Ha. You would rather a lecture from Chelsea. Amazing.gimmesometruth27 said:
not the two you just mentionedBS44325 said:
It looks like Trump has added Peter Thiel and Eileen Collins to the list.mrussel1 said:
Yes... alas both parties can't have intellectual powerhouses like Trump, Bobby Knight and Tim Tebow. The Democrats will have to settle...BS44325 said:
In an election year where people want change from a "get out the vote" perspective that is a down right dangerous list of speakers.Cliffy6745 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/07/15/the-first-female-space-shuttle-commander-will-speak-at-the-gop-convention-huh/
http://heatst.com/politics/gay-billionaire-peter-thiel-convention/
Now you tell me which set of speakers will be more inspiring.0 -
you say that like it is a bad thing. chelsea at least tried to make it honest. she did not latch on to daddy's reality tv show and sponge off of it. chelsea has also done a lot of charity work.BS44325 said:
And up until last year Chelsea and the Trump kids were all receiving paychecks from NBC. Imagine that.gimmesometruth27 said:
she is giving a campaign speech for her mom. the same things that trumps kids are doing. it is far from a lecture.BS44325 said:
Ha. You would rather a lecture from Chelsea. Amazing.gimmesometruth27 said:
not the two you just mentionedBS44325 said:
It looks like Trump has added Peter Thiel and Eileen Collins to the list.mrussel1 said:
Yes... alas both parties can't have intellectual powerhouses like Trump, Bobby Knight and Tim Tebow. The Democrats will have to settle...BS44325 said:
In an election year where people want change from a "get out the vote" perspective that is a down right dangerous list of speakers.Cliffy6745 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/07/15/the-first-female-space-shuttle-commander-will-speak-at-the-gop-convention-huh/
http://heatst.com/politics/gay-billionaire-peter-thiel-convention/
Now you tell me which set of speakers will be more inspiring.
if you want to compare her to trump's kids, i think the trump kids would be put to shame.
don jr's claim to fame is shooting wild animals on safari."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Oh now that is just crazy talk. Chelsea got her NBC job because of her parents and was paid $600,000.00 to pretty much do nothing. Her charity work is on behalf of the Clinton Foundation. I'm not going to get into an argument over which child has achieved more but this idea that Chelsea did it "honestly" completely insane. You might also want to read up on her husband's hedge fund.gimmesometruth27 said:
you say that like it is a bad thing. chelsea at least tried to make it honest. she did not latch on to daddy's reality tv show and sponge off of it. chelsea has also done a lot of charity work.BS44325 said:
And up until last year Chelsea and the Trump kids were all receiving paychecks from NBC. Imagine that.gimmesometruth27 said:
she is giving a campaign speech for her mom. the same things that trumps kids are doing. it is far from a lecture.BS44325 said:
Ha. You would rather a lecture from Chelsea. Amazing.gimmesometruth27 said:
not the two you just mentionedBS44325 said:
It looks like Trump has added Peter Thiel and Eileen Collins to the list.mrussel1 said:
Yes... alas both parties can't have intellectual powerhouses like Trump, Bobby Knight and Tim Tebow. The Democrats will have to settle...BS44325 said:
In an election year where people want change from a "get out the vote" perspective that is a down right dangerous list of speakers.Cliffy6745 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/07/15/the-first-female-space-shuttle-commander-will-speak-at-the-gop-convention-huh/
http://heatst.com/politics/gay-billionaire-peter-thiel-convention/
Now you tell me which set of speakers will be more inspiring.
if you want to compare her to trump's kids, i think the trump kids would be put to shame.
don jr's claim to fame is shooting wild animals on safari.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/business/dealbook/clinton-son-in-laws-firm-is-said-to-close-greece-hedge-fund.html
That kind of story always goes over well with the base of the democratic party. Maybe Chelsea can discuss it at the convention.0 -
The only good reason to vote for her is to help insure that donald drumpf does not get elected.brianlux said:
Whoa! First of all, the only question I asked here today was "So why, you might ask, would I vote for someone (I won't mention her Green name because that's probably not allowed here on the HILLARY THREAD) who has no chance of winning? " which doesn't have anything do do with your little rant here.what dreams said:
Then why the fuck did you ask the question? Just so you AGAIN could tell us we're wrong and pull out your patronizing, condescending crap about how you really are just trying to save us all from ourselves?brianlux said:
Yes, I've read all these wonderful things Hillary "will do for us" but I'm sorry to say this because it's very sad that it's true, but a political figure such as HRC will say what ever it takes to win because it's all about winning and power for someone like her, not about doing what is best for us or the planet (please let us not forget about the rest of life while talking about these issues!).what dreams said:
BUMP FOR BRIANLUX.what dreams said:Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
The article I posted was written by the founding editor of a reliably progressive magazine, when being a progressive wasn't cool.
If you dig around in the website, you will find another article calling for Sanders's supporters to vote for Hillary, which I did not link because I am trying not to inflame the thread.
If anyone here believes HRC is in for your best interest, that's your right to believe that and perhaps nothing I say will make a difference that way.
If any of you here have the same misgivings about HRC as some of us here do and you are supporting her simply because you abhor the idea of Trump becoming president, I would suggest at least considering the notion of giving severe reservations along with that support.
Think outside the box. This is more than just about a foot race.
I can't believe I even fell for the idea that you are genuinely interested in reasons people are voting for her. I can't believe I didn't predict you would again resort to the "lying, power-hungry Hillary" meme. I'm so disappointed. And I'm done in this thread if nobody wants to talk policy. I'm going to hang out in the "Do Aliens Exist" thread for awhile.
And secondly, why the vitriol? What the hell did I say to set you off like a grenade in a flower shop? Man, really, I'm not here to cut anyone's balls or ovaries off.
Thirdly, no, I didn't ask for reasons why anyone here is voting for Hillary. I challenged you who are HRC fans to give me good reasons why I should vote for her. All I got so far was some cut-and-paste article listing some generic but hollow sounding campaign promises. It's easy to post where she has said, "I will do this or that for you!" but not so easy to illustrate what she has done. Maybe that's what frustrates you. If so, take it out on a punching bag. I'm not the enemy.
I've said before that I totally respect and understand wanting to vote your conscience. But voting for anyone other than Hillary Clinton is a vote for drumpf.
Personally I think every single viable candidate during this election cycle sucks. But just the thought of a president drumpf scares the hell out of me. More then the 8 years we already had with president cheney.
Namaste'0
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