Terrorist Shooting In Orlando, FL
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Many in the "west" was also against the war in Iraq. Sometimes a "few" politics make horrendous decisions draging everyone along that don't want anything to do with it. I was one of those protesting against that war.callen said:0 -
A gun shop owner reported Mateen to the authorities a few weeks before the shooting when mateen tried to purchase weapons and armor. This is sounding more like the government vetting system dropped the ball.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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agreed.bootlegger10 said:
No one is trying immigrate the other way unless they are wannabe terrorists because shocker....historically Christian countries are a whole lot safer and provide more freedom than Muslim nations..
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That's an interesting point and certainly valid. I was thinking more about the need for the Muslim community to speak up and point law enforcement towards the potential perps. I wasn't thinking about it from the non-Muslim view. The Imans and leaders of the communities likely know who is at risk of becoming radicalized. They need to become more involved and not just say the right words afterwards. Perhaps they do. We don't know because we only see when something happens, not when something is thwarted.mace1229 said:
What if that homemade clock turned out to be a bomb, how much more angry would everyone have been if they didn't say anything? But that didn't matter, the DOJ accused the staff of being racist and discrimination. That's why people don't say anything, then we blame them when they don't.0 -
I can just about guarantee you that the FBI already has plants/paid informants inside mosques. Just because we don't read about it in the news doesn't mean it's not happening.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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You're right, but it can't just be informants. For example, why didn't his ex-wife dime him out?Gern Blansten said:I can just about guarantee you that the FBI already has plants/paid informants inside mosques. Just because we don't read about it in the news doesn't mean it's not happening.
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I think the lone shooters are going to be nearly impossible to stop.mrussel1 said:
Was it his ex-wife? I thought they were still together
edit: honestly I've kind of wondered why we haven't seen more lone shooter terrorism (al-queada/ISIS, etc.) since 9/11.Post edited by Gern Blansten onRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I watched that gal on the news last night, she accused him of being gay and said his father told him once he is gay then runs of a tangent about how afraid she was......the cops believe she was aware of the whole thing and didn't say a word till he got whacked.mrussel1 said:
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Horrible argument. As goofy as some of GF's, but from the other side of the spectrum. Just terrible.callen said:
God and guns and hate. USA USA USA.
Can deflect about other countries and cultures but we created a mess.
Then we have racist baiting presidential republican nominee!?!?!?!?
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The USA is a mixed bag. It is not a Christian nation. Are you Christian?
The Middle East occupation is about oil and capitalism is at its roots. Period. There's a little piece of it tied to the US relations with Saudi (again oil and profit related). But to say it's Christians that have rallied to fight opponents of the bible is ridiculous.
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The USA is a mixed bag. It is not a Christian nation. Are you Christian?
The Middle East occupation is about oil and capitalism is at its roots. Period. There's a little piece of it tied to the US relations with Saudi (again oil and profit related). But to say it's Christians that have rallied to fight opponents of the bible is ridiculous.
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usally, but I'm waiting a parts process.
hope all is well man.
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I can only imagine how many reports they get. there's probably a whole shitload of people trying to buy that stuff because they think Obama is coming to get them (as illustrated in this thread and the gun thread).Degeneratefk said:A gun shop owner reported Mateen to the authorities a few weeks before the shooting when mateen tried to purchase weapons and armor. This is sounding more like the government vetting system dropped the ball.
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You guys are confusing his ex-wife with his current wife.Godfather. said:
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Been divorced from.the first wife for 7 or 8 years.
Current wife appears to have been aware of an upcoming attack and didn't tell.anyone.
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I think lone-shooter terrorism will continue to grow. It appears, to me, that psychos all over the world are pledging their allegiance to ISIS. It seems (and I could be totally wrong about this) that Al-Qaeda would train terrorists and send them out on missions. ISIS surly does this too. But I think ISIS has many "members" that really have no connection to them other than pledging allegiance. Was the Orlando shooter under orders of ISIS to do what he did? Has he ever met or communicated with an ISIS official? The answer doesn't really matter. He did what he did because of the influence of ISIS; be it directly or just because he believes in the message of ISIS.Gern Blansten said:
Was it his ex-wife? I thought they were still together
edit: honestly I've kind of wondered why we haven't seen more lone shooter terrorism (al-queada/ISIS, etc.) since 9/11.
This is why I support military action against ISIS. Another "war on terror" I suppose. If the influence by the leaders of ISIS is so strong that it's trickling down to everyday psychopaths, we've got to cut the head off the snake so to speak. How do we do that? Well that's where I have no clue.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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yup ! gun sales soar every time that goofball opens his mouth about guns, the weapons manufactures of the world love him !
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How irresponsible of her. Maybe she didn't think he would actually follow through? She is going to have a rough time explaining her reasoning in court.Bentleyspop said:
Been divorced from.the first wife for 7 or 8 years.
Current wife appears to have been aware of an upcoming attack and didn't tell.anyone.
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It isn't very hard to separate a fool from his money lolGodfather. said:yup ! gun sales soar every time that goofball opens his mouth about guns, the weapons manufactures of the world love him !
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Your first and second paragraphs don't really jive for me. The fact that ISIS leadership is not instrumental in planning and coordinating attacks is evidence that military action won't have the desired effect.Ledbetterman10 said:
This is why I support military action against ISIS. Another "war on terror" I suppose. If the influence by the leaders of ISIS is so strong that it's trickling down to everyday psychopaths, we've got to cut the head off the snake so to speak. How do we do that? Well that's where I have no clue.
Unfortunately, ISIL, ISIS, Daesh, whatever you call it is a thing bigger than itself now, if we bomb away the current incarnation, it will pop up somewhere else. Lone shooters will continue to pledge their allegiance to the Islamic State even if the actual organization is decimated, and as long as there are even a handful of actual, on the ground participants, they will continue to claim credit for attacks they didn't orchestrate.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
ISIS just took it to another level:rgambs said:
Unfortunately, ISIL, ISIS, Daesh, whatever you call it is a thing bigger than itself now, if we bomb away the current incarnation, it will pop up somewhere else. Lone shooters will continue to pledge their allegiance to the Islamic State even if the actual organization is decimated, and as long as there are even a handful of actual, on the ground participants, they will continue to claim credit for attacks they didn't orchestrate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/middleeast/isis-genocide-yazidi-un.html
GENEVA — Islamic State forces have committed genocide and other war crimes in a continuing effort to exterminate the Yazidi religious minority in Syria and Iraq, United Nations investigators said on Thursday, urging stronger international action to halt the killing and to prosecute the terrorist group.
The investigators detailed mass killings of Yazidi men and boys who refused to convert to Islam, saying they were shot in the head or their throats were slit, often in front of their families, littering roadsides with corpses. Dozens of mass graves have been uncovered in areas recaptured from Islamic State and are being investigated.
The investigators have produced 11 reports documenting wide-ranging crimes against humanity and war crimes committed by many parties to the five-year-old civil war in Syria, but in a report released on Thursday, they invoked the crime of genocide. They based their findings on actions taken by the Islamic State since August 2014 against 400,000 members of the Yazidi community, followers of a centuries-old religion drawing on many faiths.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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